Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt4

[OrdinaryLife]

:bang:

You are missing the point here! Naturally, I don't expect anyone to take one factor and form an opinion, particuarly when all we really have right now is circumstantial evidence. What I was attempting to do is stimulate the conversation between those leaning one way versus those leaning another. Best to kick it off with a single factor that someone who feels strongly that CC is guilty would like to mention.

Do you follow?

Apparently, you didn't follow my post. I stated I have not one singular thought that points me to my opinion. Thank you for trying to explain what you thought I missed in your post. Perhaps someone else can help stimulate the thread in a way that would be, well, stimulating in the way you are looking for.

 

[mommya]

Evidence found along the route to the gym.

Is everyone thinking it's a spray paint can?

I've read possibly a videotape - but I don't think so.

 

[SuziQ]

Good logical reasoned thinking! :clap:

Because the rest of us are illogical...riiight....

 

[SuziQ]

Is everyone thinking it's a spray paint can?

I've read possibly a videotape - but I don't think so.

Hopefully the hard drive to the dvr.

 

[Stella5]

Unfortunately, regarding "the single most damning factor", I cannot do that. In any case. That would be unfair to the victims as well as those under suspicion. This is still an early case and without forensics returned that would firmly hold up my argument for that "one thing". There are many factors/possibilities that cause me to believe what I do. To be of one singular thought would not be condusive to fair discussion.

Sorry.

I agree with you. There is no single damning factor for me either, it's the sum of the factors we do know. What we really know at this point is very little as this case has been played from MCS' vest since day one.

However, with that being said I think the biggest thing for me is the headline from the Post Dispatch on May 14th that says...

"Detectives declare Coleman case solved"
(headline online reads a bit differently than the printed version)

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...D2C9FBCC6917F4E3862575B6001068B5?OpenDocument

If the Detectives declared it solved, logic would say they would clear him as a suspect. Since they didn't/haven't that leads me to believe he is their suspect, but won't name him to delay handing over their investigative discovery to his attorneys while they await a GJ indictment. JMHO

 

[SuziQ]

Please stay. At least I don't feel like the Lone Ranger when you post.

Post away .. it's good to take a logical reasoned look at all that is known, so far.

There's that word again. lol.

 

[analytical]

Evidence found along the route to the gym.

How can you be certain of the guilt of Coleman based on "evidence found on the route to the gym"?

Let's consider a stalker .. someone so aware of Coleman's routine that he knew Coleman traveled that route .. let's also consider the stalker hoped to pull off a crime and implicate Coleman ... discarding evidence along the route Coleman took each morning might be a good idea .. but how smart is this killer? .. I'd say not too smart ... "I told you this would happen" .. when I use the prounoun "I" .. well, by golly, I am referring to me, myself and I. I'm not referring to anyone else.

Some quite creative theories have been put forth that Coleman wrote that ...but it just seems highly ridiculous to my "hinky meter" (as that seems to be the term here for "gut feeling" .. "instinct") that Coleman would take the extra step to spray-paint the walls for "effect"

That is the stuff of movies .. not real crimes.

 

[analytical]

There's that word again. lol.

Suzi,

Do you have an objection to logic? If so, please illuminate me and don't laugh at me behind the veiled "ha ha's"

 

[SuziQ]

How can you be certain of the guilt of Coleman based on "evidence found on the route to the gym"?

Let's consider a stalker .. someone so aware of Coleman's routine that he knew Coleman traveled that route .. let's also consider the stalker hoped to pull off a crime and implicate Coleman ... discarding evidence along the route Coleman took each morning might be a good idea .. but how smart is this killer? .. I'd say not too smart ... "I told you this would happen" .. when I use the prounoun "I" .. well, by golly, I am referring to me, myself and I. I'm not referring to anyone else.

Some quite creative theories have been put forth that Coleman wrote that ...but it just seems highly ridiculous to my "hinky meter" (as that seems to be the term here for "gut feeling" .. "instinct") that Coleman would take the extra step to spray-paint the walls for "effect"

That is the stuff of movies .. not real crimes.

No, the theory you proposed is stuff of movies. Um, I never said that was the one single thing. I was only adding to other stuff being posted. So far we've posted what's beginning to look like a laundry list.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm curious, for those of you who feel pretty convinced that CC committed this crime, what is the single most damning factor - from what we know right now - leading you to believe he is guilty?

Please limit this to one for the sake of discussion.

While his timeline is a huge problem, I think one thing that jumps out at me is LE stating there was no sign of forced entry. Granted, the window was open when LE arrived, but even after they knew this...LE still maintained there was no sign of forced entry. A man who was so desperately concerned with the safety of his family plus owned a security company did not have the window (or the rest of his house) on an alarm system and supposedly did not lock his window or left it open. No way!

 

[OrdinaryLife]

CC stated that he often made phone calls early in the morning to make sure all was well, the boys were up, and getting ready for school. Well, if in fact this was a habit, I have no doubt there are phone records, both mobile and home, inn the hands of LE. I have little doubt there is going to be a lack of consistancy there as CC stated there was.

imo

 

[SuziQ]

Suzi,

Do you have an objection to logic? If so, please illuminate me and don't laugh at me behind the veiled "ha ha's"

The veiled posts are not mine.

 

[who knew?]

Do you? If you feel compelled to make asinine comments I would disagree with you.

I have an idea. Let's form a lynch mob and track down ol' CC for a good old fashioned "I have a brain" form of justice. Now, do I fit in here? Or, should I relegate myself to merely reading the comments of others rather than trying to stimulate conversation?

Sorry - I tend to be irreverent at times - just my personality defect, I guess. I sometimes forget that some people don't have a sense of humor.

IMO - there is a cc family member posting on this board - and you know who you are. (I'm not talking about you milopedes, so don't take offence again.)

Now, I'll sit back and wait for the attack........and I already know from where it will be coming! :crazy:

 

[SuziQ]

I didn't say that nor imply that. If I want to say something, I will state it.

Whatever you wish to impugn from my words may be conjecture and not fact.

Did you not call posts agreeing with yours logical and have repeatedly said the rest of us are illogical?

 

[Lindadanette]

If I had to pick one reason that leads me to believe that CC is the murderer, it would be MCS's investigation. They DO know alot more than any of us here, and say there is ONE suspect, that he's not dangerous to anyone else, and they've been following CC like white on rice. I do, however, think this case is going to be more complicated than just a husband who wanted a second chance with the other woman.

CC was trained to be alert on a level that would never allow for the stupid mistakes he's made. That's why I think it's going to prove to be a crime of passion, including the elimination of the "witnesses" to the original murder. It's tragic beyond words.

IMHO, the girl friend was the catalyst, not the motive. And the intrigue with JMM is another chapter in this sordid story and possibly another crime.

 

[analytical]

CC stated that he often made phone calls early in the morning to make sure all was well, the boys were up, and getting ready for school. Well, if in fact this was a habit, I have no doubt there are phone records, both mobile and home, inn the hands of LE. I have little doubt there is going to be a lack of consistancy there as CC stated there was.

imo

Hi OL,

Will you clarify this "there is going to be a lack of consistancy there as CC stated there was"

Uh ... did I miss something...where did CC make any mention of lack of consistency.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

How can you be certain of the guilt of Coleman based on "evidence found on the route to the gym"?

Let's consider a stalker .. someone so aware of Coleman's routine that he knew Coleman traveled that route .. let's also consider the stalker hoped to pull off a crime and implicate Coleman ... discarding evidence along the route Coleman took each morning might be a good idea .. but how smart is this killer? .. I'd say not too smart ... "I told you this would happen" .. when I use the prounoun "I" .. well, by golly, I am referring to me, myself and I. I'm not referring to anyone else.

Some quite creative theories have been put forth that Coleman wrote that ...but it just seems highly ridiculous to my "hinky meter" (as that seems to be the term here for "gut feeling" .. "instinct") that Coleman would take the extra step to spray-paint the walls for "effect"

That is the stuff of movies .. not real crimes.

Hmmm...OK...so tell me again exactly how this stalker or other killer would know for a fact that Chris was going to the gym and would cross that bridge?! He didn't have time to follow him. Chris was supposedly having an affair and he could have gone the opposite direction to meet up with Miss Motive. Only Chris knew he was going to the gym that morning.

 

[who knew?]

How can you be certain of the guilt of Coleman based on "evidence found on the route to the gym"?

Let's consider a stalker .. someone so aware of Coleman's routine that he knew Coleman traveled that route .. let's also consider the stalker hoped to pull off a crime and implicate Coleman ... discarding evidence along the route Coleman took each morning might be a good idea .. but how smart is this killer? .. I'd say not too smart ... "I told you this would happen" .. when I use the prounoun "I" .. well, by golly, I am referring to me, myself and I. I'm not referring to anyone else.

Some quite creative theories have been put forth that Coleman wrote that ...but it just seems highly ridiculous to my "hinky meter" (as that seems to be the term here for "gut feeling" .. "instinct") that Coleman would take the extra step to spray-paint the walls for "effect"

That is the stuff of movies .. not real crimes.

I understand your theory - but it leaves too much to luck and fortune............too many if's. What if cc was just running to the store - what if he left his laptop at home - what if all 3 occupants were up and awake, thus one or two running out of the house...........

You obviously have the right to an opinion - I just don't agree with it for the same reasons you don't agree with mine. I feel like there are those who think we have prejudged cc (believe me when I tell you I didn't want to believe it for reasons I can't divulge at this time) - but I feel there are some who seem to be attached to this case on a personal level - as in VERY close to the situation.

 

[analytical]

Sorry - I tend to be irreverent at times - just my personality defect, I guess. I sometimes forget that some people don't have a sense of humor.

IMO - there is a cc family member posting on this board - and you know who you are. (I'm not talking about you milopedes, so don't take offence again.)

Now, I'll sit back and wait for the attack........and I already know from where it will be coming! :crazy:

I guess you'll be waiting a very long time. Personal attacks towards myself and milopedes are really catty and unnecessary.

Have we now become the enemy because we have a differing opinion?

Continue to think I am 'part of the Coleman family' .. if it's amusing to you .. go ahead ... but I, like Milopedes, won't be part of a lynch mob based on very scanty details.

 

[Melanie]

OL,............You're not the only one that thinks this threat thing is HOKEY!

Listen, he was SUPPOSED to have been part of the detail to guard the ehh *cough, cough* Pres, his family had been allegedly threatened, he had been allegedly threatened.

So does he protect them?

No,.................he puts up a few cameras.

Puhleez!!!!!!!

And how, pray tell, will a camera *protect anyone?*

They don't.

THE END
fran

I'd at least get a big ol' rotweiller, or guard dog....at minimum, and put up a couple "beware of dog" signs.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.....