Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt4

[mikeysmommom]

Why is this impossible for some to believe?

The reason I do not believe the threats are because If they were credible and If local Le could not find the perp IMO because CC threats were due to working for JMM ,wouldn't they call in the FBI.If a crazy person had a grudge with JMM and CC for working for her what was to stop him from a shooting spree at JMM when she has a crowd of 12,000 people in attendance?

 

[Carrington]

My sister just drove by their house, there are 2 cars in the driveway. A silver Toyota & a Gold Pathfinder. She didn't see any police around. Garage door was shut. She also said the trashcan was still there, the lid was closed & the trash truck was just coming up the street. For what ever that's worth. . . .

Someone asked about the cars.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

The question as to why the SA has not allowed LE to make an arrest has been brought up several times. This may shed some light on the length of time it takes to process evidence in IL.

When a woman is raped in Illinois, it takes months to process the evidence. Now Illinois State Police are promising to reduce that wait to just 30 days. CBS 2 Political Editor Mike Flannery got an exclusive tour of the crime lab and found some serious challenges.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/dna.backlog.rape.2.1012935.html

Exactly. The ISP is building a new crime lab, in association with Lidenwood University in Belleville, but, they are JUST getting going on it, and it will be a while until it is finished. It will take a lot of the load off. This lab delay issue has been a complaint for a bit now.

 

[milopedes]

I believe it was in the initial thread, I don't recall now for sure, but Texas Mist raised a great point when we were discussing the timeline and the possibility of it being someone other than CC.

If we assume for the moment that the TOD will not show that the wife and two children were killed before CC left for the gym, I still have some problems with the "intruder theory".

As TXM pointed out before, if CC was calling constantly wouldn't that make committing the crime - even if the perp knew his schedule - that much more difficult? The killer might think: "What if one of the victim's wakes?" "What if CC comes back b/c he is worried?" And so on . . .

Is it possible that the perp was not nervous, and knew the layout, because he was hired by CC? Thoughts?

 

[milopedes]

The reason I do not believe the threats are because If they were credible and If local Le could not find the perp IMO because CC threats were due to working for JMM ,wouldn't they call in the FBI.If a crazy person had a grudge with JMM and CC for working for her what was to stop him from a shooting spree at JMM when she has a crowd of 12,000 people in attendance?

I believe that LE used the word "targeted". This would imply that no one else was at risk. We do not have all the facts, but LE might have information on someone who had a grudge against CC and/or his family. For all we know, they might be keeping tabs on the suspect and CC to throw the real killer off, and to make him relax - thinking, "they are going to blame CC for this!"

 

[waterlooinspector]

I think most of you are aware that I am not convinced of CC's guilt as of yet.

One of the things about his behavior has troubled me, however. There has been no outpouring of emotion directly from CC to the general public to find the murderer. Right after this happened a 14 year old was murdered on the north side of the city working at his family's BBQ stand. Right after it happened his step-mother, I believe, made an impassioned plea for help to the public to find the perp. I tried to find it on the web, but I do not think it was saved. The plea by mom would have brought tears to anyone with half a heart. We have not heard any sort of plea to the public directly from CC.

I realize everyone handles grief in their own way and I realize there have been cases were such individuals screaming for help from the public have actually turned out to be the perps.

The lack of any sort of request for help, directly from the immediate family, CC or from his fathers as Church pastor just seems odd.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I believe it was in the initial thread, I don't recall now for sure, but Texas Mist raised a great point when we were discussing the timeline and the possibility of it being someone other than CC.

If we assume for the moment that the TOD will not show that the wife and two children were killed before CC left for the gym, I still have some problems with the "intruder theory".

As TXM pointed out before, if CC was calling constantly wouldn't that make committing the crime - even if the perp knew his schedule - that much more difficult? The killer might think: "What if one of the victim's wakes?" "What if CC comes back b/c he is worried?" And so on . . .

Is it possible that the perp was not nervous, and knew the layout, because he was hired by CC? Thoughts?

I agree he could have paid someone, but if he did I would think he would have it done when he was away traveling with JMM.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I believe that LE used the word "targeted". This would imply that no one else was at risk. We do not have all the facts, but LE might have information on someone who had a grudge against CC and/or his family. For all we know, they might be keeping tabs on the suspect and CC to throw the real killer off, and to make him relax - thinking, "they are going to blame CC for this!"

But IIRC he was targeted because he worked for JMM.

 

[milopedes]

I agree he could have paid someone, but if he did I would think he would have it done when he was away traveling with JMM.

True.

 

[milopedes]

But IIRC he was targeted because he worked for JMM.

That could have been the reason in the letters, to throw people off, but it may have been a grudge for some other reason. LE may know this or be privy to additional details.

 

[Bluenotes]

I believe it was in the initial thread, I don't recall now for sure, but Texas Mist raised a great point when we were discussing the timeline and the possibility of it being someone other than CC.

If we assume for the moment that the TOD will not show that the wife and two children were killed before CC left for the gym, I still have some problems with the "intruder theory".

As TXM pointed out before, if CC was calling constantly wouldn't that make committing the crime - even if the perp knew his schedule - that much more difficult? The killer might think: "What if one of the victim's wakes?" "What if CC comes back b/c he is worried?" And so on . . .

Is it possible that the perp was not nervous, and knew the layout, because he was hired by CC? Thoughts?

I find that much more believable than someone who was stalking CC breaking in and killing his family.

 

[milopedes]

I think most of you are aware that I am not convinced of CC's guilt as of yet.

One of the things about his behavior has troubled me, however. There has been no outpouring of emotion directly from CC to the general public to find the murderer. Right after this happened a 14 year old was murdered on the north side of the city working at his family's BBQ stand. Right after it happened his step-mother, I believe, made an impassioned plea for help to the public to find the perp. I tried to find it on the web, but I do not think it was saved. The plea by mom would have brought tears to anyone with half a heart. We have not heard any sort of plea to the public directly from CC.

I realize everyone handles grief in their own way and I realize there have been cases were such individuals screaming for help from the public have actually turned out to be the perps.

The lack of any sort of request for help, directly from the immediate family, CC or from his fathers as Church pastor just seems odd.

For many around here, it wouldn't have mattered one bit what he did or did not do. They'd still be convinced of his guilt.

As for your point, it is one that I find a bit odd too. I suppose one reason may be due to the fact that information came out about his mistress. Maybe he felt that once the public got ahold of that, there was very little point to making a public plea for help?

 

[Bluenotes]

I think most of you are aware that I am not convinced of CC's guilt as of yet.

One of the things about his behavior has troubled me, however. There has been no outpouring of emotion directly from CC to the general public to find the murderer. Right after this happened a 14 year old was murdered on the north side of the city working at his family's BBQ stand. Right after it happened his step-mother, I believe, made an impassioned plea for help to the public to find the perp. I tried to find it on the web, but I do not think it was saved. The plea by mom would have brought tears to anyone with half a heart. We have not heard any sort of plea to the public directly from CC.

I realize everyone handles grief in their own way and I realize there have been cases were such individuals screaming for help from the public have actually turned out to be the perps.

The lack of any sort of request for help, directly from the immediate family, CC or from his fathers as Church pastor just seems odd.

"I'm begging people if they have any compassion in their heart, just report it
to the detectives," said Ava Johnson, Michael's stepmother. "Because it's my
kid today who dies, and could be your kid tomorrow if you don't talk, if you
don't parent these kids."

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-883798.html

 

[cassiusleuth]

For many around here, it wouldn't have mattered one bit what he did or did not do. They'd still be convinced of his guilt.

As for your point, it is one that I find a bit odd too. I suppose one reason may be due to the fact that information came out about his mistress. Maybe he felt that once the public got ahold of that, there was very little point to making a public plea for help?

I respectfully disagree. Even if he has a mistress that should not stop him from begging and pleading for the murder(s) to be found and ask for help from the public. He only had to say, sure he made mistakes, but that doesn't change the fact that someone murdered his family and he wants to see justice served.

 

[milopedes]

I find that much more believable than someone who was stalking CC breaking in and killing his family.

We've all discussed this before, but everything really hinges on the TOD.

However, lacking that other options must be considered. Let's say for a minute that CC planned this out. He is smart enough, if you will, to stage the "threats" and leave a window open to make people believe it is an intruder. The guy was formerly Military Police, right? So I bet he knows a little something about crime analysis. I find it difficult to believe that he would be dumb enough, or have such an oversight, as to ignore the TOD angle in all of this. If they died at midnight, how does he explain things?

Simultaneously, he must be on his way to the gym calling the house - either immediately or once he gets to the gym. He's gotta know that LE will have pings, his cell phone record, etc.

So, how does he do it all at once?

 

[gitana1]

What? At present you lack the following:

1. Forensic evidence (TOD, fingerprint evidence, spray paint residue, fibers, etc.);

2, Cell phone records (pings, number of calls made, pattern of calls showing routine or no routine);

3. Information regarding what, if anything, LE found at the side of the highway (e.g., discarded DVR, glove, other);

4. Video evidence (e.g., from his home, Gold's Gym, entryway to subdivision);

5. Information regarding the threats (i.e., how often, how many, typed or hand-written, what did they say, etc.)'

6. Statement from his girlfriend;

7. Statements from the family (i.e., maritial problems, history of abuse, or nothing out of the ordinary known to them);

8. Electronic evidence (i.e., history of e-mails, etc.).

That seems a lot less than 99.9%, or whatever it was you claimed, to me anyway.

We don't have that evidence, but I'm sure betting LE does!

 

[DairyGirl]

Well, the original post talked about a "puzzle"; meaning, evidence known about the case or what we might consider "facts" at this point. I never talked about a guarantee, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Someone followed up that he or she felt that 99.9% of the "puzzle" was solved, or known to us, and I merely posted a laundry list of things we simply do not know at present.

Does LE know those things? Maybe, maybe not!

This is a board for discussion of opinions, theories, and facts about given cases. I like hearing various theories, but so far most seem to simply be that "CC is guilty!" I like opinions, but prefer they be based in facts known to us. Right now, there are far too many unknowns.

If I am wrong, so what? If you and others are wrong, what's the harm? I get it. I just can't understand what I perceive to be, by some, as a "rush to judgment" over the facts known to us at present. The ability to completely disregard an opposing viewpoint.

While I debate, and argue, I admit that I feel CC is very likely guilty. I haven't heard many of you entertain that he might be innocent.

With what I know now, no, but I have been surprised in cases before. If more information comes out about an outside perpertrator I am more then willing to listen. So far, all we have are vague threats, no specific person pointed out. If those threats were more specific I would be willing to listen. There really has been no other direction pointed at that I could look into. Just some nameless person who would want CC's family dead but no real reason given.

 

[milopedes]

I respectfully disagree. Even if he has a mistress that should not stop him from begging and pleading for the murder(s) to be found and ask for help from the public. He only had to say, sure he made mistakes, but that doesn't change the fact that someone murdered his family and he wants to see justice served.

I'm not saying it should stop him, I'm saying it may have been why he didn't make that plea. In the end, I really don't know why he didn't.

Given his bullsh!t with the in-laws regarding the service, the fact he was allegedly having an affair, the fact he didn't notify the in-laws for 2 days regarding what occurred, and the possibility that he didn't keep the memorial items or place some of them by the gravesites -- I don't think much of him at all really.

And before many of you leap on my last statement, that does not make him a killer in my mind. Other facts? Possibly.

 

[milopedes]

We don't have that evidence, but I'm sure betting LE does!

We can all hope!

 

[Bluenotes]

We've all discussed this before, but everything really hinges on the TOD.

However, lacking that other options must be considered. Let's say for a minute that CC planned this out. He is smart enough, if you will, to stage the "threats" and leave a window open to make people believe it is an intruder. The guy was formerly Military Police, right? So I bet he knows a little something about crime analysis. I find it difficult to believe that he would be dumb enough, or have such an oversight, as to ignore the TOD angle in all of this. If the died at midnight, how does he explain things?

Simultaneously, he must be on his way to the gym calling the house - either immediately or once he gets to the gym. He's gotta know that LE will have pings, his cell phone record, etc.

So, how does he do it all at once?

I don't know about this one either. There are plenty of people who thought they could outsmart the police though, so he could have just not planned this well. We won't really know much more until they release the TOD.

Are MP's involved with evidence taking? I know they work as guards, but don't know if they do any "police work".