Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt6

[DogWood]

Thanks! :blushing:

I'm thinking the cost of property division, child support, alimony, etc, of the divorce could have been the reason for setting up the murder. I think child support and alimony on a 100K salary would have taken a pretty good chunk of CC's paycheck.

I wish we knew what was behind SC's removal from the deed of the house. If she had no knowledge, that tells me CC was going to try to screw her over in a property settlement. Afterall, it worked out great for his brother. His brother may have given him advice and helped him.

And can you imagine how pissed off SC would have been and how screwed over CC would be, if SC discovered her name was taken off the house without her knowledge? Takes me to the argument at 3am.

Quick question.

Wouldn't Sheri have to sign a QCD in order to remove herself from the title to their home?

(I'm not caught up yet...sorry if this has been asked and answered already. )

 

[Stella5]

You know I wondered the same thing myself. But, didn't you think he was pretty adamant about it. I think he even said it more than once.

I believe he stated his opinion based on his experiences only. To give a two-hour window could be questionable when you've discovered the bodies as soon as they did. However, I believe Badens statement was not "this is the window we think it happened in". Badens statement was "most likely before three" and then "no later than 5". That tells me they have pinpointed TOD occurring before 3, definitely within a narrow window; and added no later than 5 to confirm that they were infact deceased before CC left the house. Baden was the one to review the findings, so I'm more apt to believe his findings than Perper who has seen nothing. But that's just me

 

[Wrinkles]

HALLO HALLO

ATTN ALL SLEUTHERS!

In this thread, we have a note of a rumor from someone saying that Chris made the family dinner the night before (something he apparently didn't often do.) We also have a rumor that he was out playing with the kids in the yard the night before and waved to someone that drove by as if they were best friends, yet he had never ever waved to the person before.

Dinner
Waving as if friendly

This guy was on a high, he knew what he was going to be doing that night and he was just trying to touch up his facade before he did it.

Dontcha think?

 

[mck16]

I agree with what you are saying. IMO

 

[Blackwatch]

Quick question.

Wouldn't Sheri have to sign a QCD in order to remove herself from the title to their home?

(I'm not caught up yet...sorry if this has been asked and answered already. )

Theoretically, yes. However, in the real world SC obviously was living in, such things can be done by having someone else sign, if needed, in front of a notary. My best friend's ex husband sold the house she had an interest in by doing it behind her back (they were separated) and bringing his girl friend to the closing. She signed the paperwork Mrs Soandso. My girl friend didn't find out until MUCH later that the house had even been sold and recovered not one red cent.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

My first thought too! Lesson if hubby never cooks and on his own wants to make the family dinner......................take the kidz and run as fast as you can

Gives new meaning to the term, "Last Supper"...doesn't it? Chris takes things so literal...like all those teachings from JMM and RC.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There would have to be a QCD filed in the County Recorder's office for any third party to rely on her no longer being on the Grant Deed, yes.

If there was some OTHER signature on it that a Notary certified that would be interesting. Unfortunately the county where the property is located does not have records on line so we cannot see them unless someone goes to the recorder's office, does a search & gets copies. Would be interesting to compare signatures...

We will get to see this comparison study when it goes to court for the wrongful death suit.

 

[analytical]

Will the civil suit proceed now? I read where they are only asking for $50,000.

 

[RiverRat]

Sadly enough, Tampa has become notorious for the amount of "Gentlemen Club's" over the past two decades...and a simple drive by without walking in most of those places only brought the word Raunchy to mind....gentlemen or hostess....LOL....nah....just PC fancy words to justify their presence in the sex industry.

Excellant Sleuthing :clap: on this yet another heartwrenching case from Day One, especially finding the Hostess in that Sea of Sleeze - and yes - it's almost too predictable anymore with these Selfish Idiots that really think that they have fooled Everyone in the World....:tsktsk::tsktsk::tsktsk:

 

[analytical]

She's so "fresh-faced" here compared to the other photo in the low-cut blue satin dress.

http://www.dragtotop.com/tara_lintz

Some locals claim to know here in these posts:

http://www.topix.com/city/columbia-...coleman-hopes-people-dont-rush-to-judgment/p4

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/chicago-tribune/TVRH3QUS605LJ5GLM

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes he did, but what did he base his opinion on? He wasn't involved in the review of the autopsies so how could he possibly know what was done, what was determined and what they know from those exams and the results of them?

After watching it again, he was basing his opinion on what NG said which was incorrect to begin with which made his analysis of the situation accurate, but he was not responding to the actual facts. NG was the one who gave him the wrong information and he was right to question how Dr. Baden could come up with that. However, had he been given what Dr. Baden really came up with in his review of the autopsies...he probably would concur with him.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Will the civil suit proceed now? I read where they are only asking for $50,000.

Why proceed towards a civil suit where a murder trial/decision has not been made? Makes no sense to pursue something where a firm judgement has not been made. Is this something you have "heard" or are just tossing out there?

 

[Wrinkles]

DING ding ding ding ding...

So speaks to premeditation in my book, the guy was on a high the night before -- he knew what he was going to do. The following info could almost definitely be found out by LE -- these look like people in the know.


OH SO FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR SHOW

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3710703&postcount=167"]Message #167 from WholeLottaRosie (aka Medusa) 05/07/09[/ame]

luckyone40 May 7, 2009 10:54AM CST
>>The police are looking for something, I live right around the corner from this house and when they came and questioned all of the neighbors they did say to be on the lookout for something. I don't want to say what it is since the investigation is ongoing but the police told us we were not in danger so I am assuming they have a suspect. My husband leaves for work at 5 am and he did not see anything. I get up up at 5:45 and it is light out and let the dogs out at 6:15 and I have a direct view of their house and did not notice anything strange then or when I left for work at 6:40 am. My son is at the bus stop at 7:10 and the police and ambulance where there at that time. I just think that something is not right, my other neighbor saw the husband in his yard with his kids on Monday night when he went to the store and the husband waved to my neighbor like he knew him for 20 years and my neighbor said he has never waved to him before. I have a full view of their backyard and they have a walkout basement with windows and a patio door and the glass is not broken on either one. The police were examining the window for a long time on Tuesday and now they have police tape on both the window and patio door. This has my whole family freaked out, my kids are always out playing and I have never worried about anything living in this peaceful subdivision. I really think that they know who did it but are just waiting until they have everything pieced together before they make the arrest.<<

luckyone40 May 7, 2009 1:17PM CST
>>Another thing, we had our windows wide open that night/morning. I woke up at 5 am right after my husband left to go to the bathroom and did not fall back alseep right away. I didn't hear anything either. I would think that if someone was breaking into a house that their would be dogs barking, especially the doberman that lives in the house next door to them.<<


DINNER SHOW

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3778275&postcount=91"]Message #91 by WholeLottaRosie (aka Medusa) 05/22/09[/ame]

"ilovecoconuts May 22, 2009 8:50AM CST
heres a tid bit from sheris friend. It really haunts me. The night before the murders Chris made the family dinner. According to her friends Chris never cooked and he was doing it for a good gesture. Look what kind of a premeditated effer he is....absolutely disgusting."

 

[SuziQ]

That's what I thought, too. I was wrong.

My monitor is now wearing my afternoon coffee. lol.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Sadly enough, Tampa has become notorious for the amount of "Gentlemen Club's" over the past two decades...and a simple drive by without walking in most of those places only brought the word Raunchy to mind....gentlemen or hostess....LOL....nah....just PC fancy words to justify their presence in the sex industry.

Excellant Sleuthing :clap: on this yet another heartwrenching case from Day One, especially finding the Hostess in that Sea of Sleeze - and yes - it's almost too predictable anymore with these Selfish Idiots that really think that they have fooled Everyone in the World....:tsktsk::tsktsk::tsktsk:

Thanks, RR~ I got it on my first shot, too! LOL It was like I was led right to her. Took me less than five minutes to find that photo. Divine intervention perhaps?!

ETA: Recap of Treasure

I found a photo of a girl who resembles her quite a bit. She works at the Tampa Gold Club and is called the House Entertainer named Treasure.

You have to enter, go into gallery photos, and she is standing in a black dress next to shelves with Champagne bottles.

http://www.seshowclubs.com/

Here is a photo of Miss Motive to compare it to:

Miss Motive

 

[DogWood]

There would have to be a QCD filed in the County Recorder's office for any third party to rely on her no longer being on the Grant Deed, yes.

If there was some OTHER signature on it that a Notary certified that would be interesting. Unfortunately the county where the property is located does not have records on line so we cannot see them unless someone goes to the recorder's office, does a search & gets copies. Would be interesting to compare signatures...

Yes, it sure would!

There is a document # on whatever is recorded (11-01-08) but that's about it, IIRC.

 

[analytical]

Why proceed towards a civil suit where a murder trial/decision has not been made? Makes no sense to pursue something where a firm judgement has not been made. Is this something you have "heard" or are just tossing out there?

PD had the headline. I read somewhere else the amount is $50,000.

My question was about the timing of the civil suit.

Sheri's lawyer cousin, from all reports, is filing it. (Enrico Mirabelli)

 

[artie gumshoe]

Ok I am on....

I have been trying to catch up, you go to work get some stuff done, take care of some people and look what happens? You miss everything.

Well, I did read up on the CNN NG transcript and I do see now that a TOD, even if estimated is still before 5am, which adds one nail to the coffin for CC. Now in Illinois, we have strip clubs. I have also been to some "gentleman clubs" in Ft. Lauderdale and the "hostess" girls DO NOT get naked. However, they will do almost everything to get you to buy a drink, because they get a commission off of drinks purchased. (You really piss them off if you just buy a soda) Now, also I do know "waitresses/hostesses" at strip clubs in illinois and on occasion, if they are short a stripper for the night, they will take the stage to get some extra cash. So, as far as the stripper thing is concerned, I am sure that she has done stripping at some point. Also, the questions being asked of her are entirely relative. "Is she a stripper now? or Was she a stripper when she and CC had a fling?"

Wedding invitations: don't know, sounds a bit much like a rumor or even a planted rumor. I know that the LE likes to plant rumors to see what comes out and I think that is the case with this one.

TOD: that is the biggie. If the neighbor comes forth and tells the LE that the "screaming and fighting" was indeed heard around 3am, then that coincides with a TOD. But furthermore, I think CC was better off when he originally told LE, that morning, that he was at work all night. Now, he was at home when they died, so unless he saw witnessed the killer killing his family, maybe he was on the "throne" then he is guilty. (I know somepeople can be in there for like 30 minutes).

I like how slowly, we are getting more information. We see that on the NG transcript that there were more than one message. This completely changes what we had all thought on day one about this whole thing. Remember: we all thought that a killer went in after watching for CC to leave and then killed the family, found the DVR and took that, spray painted a message and then left. Now, we find out that the killer, basically beat up and killed the family, found the DVR and took it, spray painted a couple of messages on the wall and then left. Remember how we had long discussions about how it would only take baout 4 minutes to choke someone to death? Now, how long would it take to give someone two black eyes, scratch someone up, brake their jaw and then strangle them to death? 10, 15, 20 minutes? How long does it take to spray paint multiple messages on the wall? If you want them to be readible, about what 30 seconds a message? That would be a few minutes to do all of the messages. As more information is being released we see that it is more and more unlikely that someone, our ninja killer, could have snuck in and did all of this in the time allotted without being seen.

I have been quiet, because I have just been taking it all in, it seems each day there is a little piece of evidence released.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Why proceed towards a civil suit where a murder trial/decision has not been made? Makes no sense to pursue something where a firm judgement has not been made. Is this something you have "heard" or are just tossing out there?

Check the stltoday.com website for the article. It makes sense to do so now cause they can get the property/assets tied up so CC can't use them for his defense. And prevent him from disposing of things.

 

[artie gumshoe]

as for the waving, he has waved at me before when I drive by. Its not a false thing, as most of us in the community don't know our nighbors but still wave at them.