Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt6

[Kimster]

I can't get over CC cooking dinner for the family on that last night for MANY reasons! I'm still not convinced this was "planned", I guess. The paint could already have been there and was a lousy afterthought. I feel he and Sheri got in a fight and he killed her and then killed the kids to fit with the SODDI. I can't see how he EVER thought he could justify marrying Miss Motive under the circumstances of his job AND MM's past.

JMO

 

[Kimster]

What if CC made up the "threats" story because someone told SC about Miss Motive and so he said "Honey, someone has been threatening me and now they want you to think I'm cheating on you". And then he made up the rest to back up his lie.

Just seems that the narcisstic tend to make up stories on the fly.

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello All,

Whoever investigated this case knows precisely the positions of the bodies, the manner of death -- we do not. What we have been told is that it was ligature strangulation. The ME will know whether the ligature was put on before or after death...

The murderer of Sheri, Gavin and Garrett either brutally murdered them and then laced them with a ligature (as far as we are told) in order to stage some type of "how I kill 3 people" kinda thing OR he picked up each of their heads and laced them with a ligature and then brutally murdered them that way.

A ligature is not something that you lay across someone, you have to "put it around them." This is a definite, planning murderer who does this.

Imagine someone walking in to a sleeping child... How do you get the ligature around them? You have to "work at it."

When I think of what it takes to ligature strangle 3 separate people, it makes me angry beyond belief at the wickedness. Cold blooded, sickening, disgusting piece...

If any of us can lend a clue to get the monster who did this put down, we should.

 

[Lovejac]

As our PoTM Lovejac says in her signature, "Say what you mean, mean what you say, but don't say it mean."

Thank's adnoid :blowkiss:. My wise and awesome sister, SCM said that to me a looooong time ago and it stuck with me. It is a wonderful saying!

 

[pres101]

Oh...also Pres101... (and Opinion8ed)

Okey dokey now, it seems that both you and ummm...ummm Opinion8ed (sphew I almost lost the name have BOTH confirmed that you each had a source (source or sources?) saying that wedding invitations "were ordered?"

Can we clarify the wedding invitation thing? They were ordered? They were ordered and printed already? AND...

Pres101, you supplied a year? You said 2010? Was there a date and year? Do you know if these were ordered in Florida or in Illinois or MO.?

Can you be as detailed as possible about the specifics of what your source told you about the wedding invitations? Assuming it had a year, then it had a date. Assuming it had a date, it had a "place" where they would be married? Does your source know? Do they know the place is?

Can we squeeze someone for more details on this? OH...and were these "photo" type invitations with the happy bride and groom to be in them, if so -- was a photo supplied for the invitation?

TIA (thanks in advance)

Wrinkles, I did hear a month and it was early 2010. That is as specific I am going to get. There was no specific place mentioned, just the date and that they had been printed. I am not going to pressure my source for info. If I hear more and feel comfortable giving it, I will.

I didn't mind confirming the story but there is a trust issue here. I didn't feel like I should break the story but hey, once it is out it's out.

 

[DairyGirl]

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...viewPicture&friendID=296891477&albumId=458958

Heartbreaking Happy Mothers day wishes from Sheri 2008. How betrayed was she?

 

[mikeysmommom]

I have not caught up so I do now know if anyone has seen this.Poster from PD who has been right before.

Bill Brasski May 22, 2009 3:06PM CS

Here is an interesting piece of info I heard last night from a reliable source that hasn't been posted yet to my knowledge. Chris was at a gym in waterloo working out the evening before the murders with one of his boys.

This brings the whole "i was at the gym" excuse into question. its not uncommon for people to work out in the early morning, but it is uncommon to workout in the evening and then wake up about 8 hours later in the early morning and go workout again.

 

[Opinion8ed]

I have not caught up so I do now know if anyone has seen this.Poster from PD who has been right before.

Bill Brasski May 22, 2009 3:06PM CS

Here is an interesting piece of info I heard last night from a reliable source that hasn't been posted yet to my knowledge. Chris was at a gym in waterloo working out the evening before the murders with one of his boys.

This brings the whole "i was at the gym" excuse into question. its not uncommon for people to work out in the early morning, but it is uncommon to workout in the evening and then wake up about 8 hours later in the early morning and go workout again.

What page is that on, I'm not locating it.

 

[Texas Mist]

Heartbreaking Happy Mothers day wishes from Sheri 2008. How betrayed was she?

it's awful...Sheri left this sweet message too:

Dec 17 2007 4:58 PM

How in the world are you?
I miss you guys
Hope all is well
Love, Squeaky

 

[mikeysmommom]

What page is that on, I'm not locating it.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...75BE0007BAAF?OpenDocument#tp_newCommentAnchor

page 140 if you have 3 comments per page

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I'm catching up, but I'm having trouble accessing the article "Standards Employed To Determined Time Of Death" from the link provided by Ananlytical. I keep on clicking on the "Method" part of the title and nothing is happening. I googled and found an article by the same name at this address: http://www.arrakis.es/~jacoello/date.pdf and wanted to know if its the same one.

Thank you!

 

[DomCasual]

We recently had a case here where the husband gunned down his wife in a church parking lot, as everyong was going inside, in front of her mom and son no less. Her family immediately did the same thing. They were able to prevent him from using his wife's estate (half equity in home, etc) to pay for his defense.

Ack, another loser he was. His wife had gone on vacation with the kids for a week or so and he moved his GF in during that time. They didn't even try to hide it from the neighbor's. Wife comes home, neighbors spill the beans and wife files for divorce and kicks him out. That's why he killed her. His dad is a religious zealot and kidnapped the grandkid, took the money, etc. it got messy. But the judge sided with the wife's family on everything, because this guy and his family are nuts. Guess what? The GF immediately got engaged to him while his was sitting in jail and stuck by him for a long time.

I'm up in Draper. That whole deal fascinated me. David Ragsdale is one of the most pathetic people I've ever seen. His defense was going to be that a nurse practitioner prescribed him too many meds for depression, and the meds made him crazy. His sister went on this media campaign that attempted to portray him as a victim in the whole thing - even went as far as to say his wife kind of brought it on herself, as she had really encouraged him to see the nurse practitioner. Then, a few months later, his attorneys petitioned the court to force the jail to bump his meds - it seems he was feeling depressed (jail apparently does that - go figure).

Fortunately, it seems he finally realized that emptying a gun into his wife's body in front of her mother and dozens of witnesses doesn't put you in a great position to mount a defense, and he pleaded guilty. The civil suit played a large part in that - almost immediately after the murder, Ragsdale hired Greg Skordas, one of Utah's highest profile criminal defense attorneys. Ragsdale had been making somewhere north of $250K/year prior to the murder, and was going to use the family's assets to pay for his defense. After the civil filing tied up those assets, he was forced to get a public defender. I think he's in prison now for a minimum of 20 years. And from what I understand, he's very unlikely to ever get out.

Here's a short article about it, if anyone is interested.

What a .

 

[mikeysmommom]

I'm up in Draper. That whole deal fascinated me. David Ragsdale is one of the most pathetic people I've ever seen. His defense was going to be that a nurse practitioner prescribed him too many meds for depression, and the meds made him crazy. His sister went on this media campaign that attempted to portray him as a victim in the whole thing - even went as far as to say his wife kind of brought it on herself, as she had really encouraged him to see the nurse practitioner. Then, a few months later, his attorneys petitioned the court to force the jail to bump his meds - it seems he was feeling depressed (jail apparently does that - go figure).

Fortunately, it seems he finally realized that emptying a gun into his wife's body in front of her mother and dozens of witnesses doesn't put you in a great position to mount a defense, and he pleaded guilty. The civil suit played a large part in that - almost immediately after the murder, Ragsdale hired Greg Skordas, one of Utah's highest profile criminal defense attorneys. Ragsdale had been making somewhere north of $250K/year prior to the murder, and was going to use the family's assets to pay for his defense. After the civil filing tied up those assets, he was forced to get a public defender. I think he's in prison now for a minimum of 20 years. And from what I understand, he's very unlikely to ever get out.

Here's a short article about it, if anyone is interested.

What a .

Your right............He is a

 

[SuziQ]

DomCasual, welcome to WS!

ETA: and I see I was incorrect about how many children they had. They had two.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

o my goodness! I can't believe that I am totally caught up! And no one is here.... :crazy: I have a ton of notes, the posts everyone is writing are really impressive!

Well, I guess since it was discussed not to long ago, i'll pitch my two cents in about how the affair motivated CC...

Tara wanted Sheri's life. Chris didn't want his life with Sheri. Tara thought that would get Sheri's life if she had Chris. Chris thought.... well, Chris wasn't thinking, he just wanted freedom or just wanted to feel free.

Tara is pressuring Chris to leave Sheri. I'm not sure if Chris ever wanted to leave his life with Sheri, or if he just wanted to fantasize that he could. Tara threatens to tell Sheri, Chris feeds her a line about getting married to keep her off his back while he figures out what to do. At this point it gets real for Chris, Tara starts ordering wedding invites and Chris realizes that he is not leaving one life to go live another, he is leaving his life with Sheri to live that same life with Tara.

Not sure at what point he set the plan in motion or if CC actually thought that he was going to go through with it when he did. Not sure either what finally triggered the actual murders, but I wonder if it had anything to do with CC realizing he was not going to be free with Tara. That even if he could free himself from Sheri and the boys, there was no escaping the expectations of his family to do the right thing.

I think SS said something about the family blaming Tara for what CC did to his family. As I was reading one of the articles about CC and his mistress a reader made the comment implying that these murders never would've happen if those women weren't running around tempting men. Is this attitude apart of the cultish type of religious beliefs in Columbia? Because it seems that a child growing up with a father who's followers give him sports cars and money with no questions asked is going to grow up with some entitlement issues. If his father had that kind of authority with those outside of the family, I can't even image the authority he had within the family.

Anyway, I gotta get to bed.

EDIT: Knowing what we know of Sheri, if Tara really wanted to live a healthier life Sheri would have been behind her every step of the way.

 

[TallCoolOne]

I believe and please correct me if I am wrong on NG's show Dr. Perperer (sp) disagreed with Biden's statement. Don't know if it was tod or something else. IIMO

You don't suppose he's looking for a job with the defense, do you?

 

[fran]

IMHO, Dr. Perper has been auditioning for high-profile cases ever since the Ana Nicole thing. This guy didn't have the autopsy report, hasn't seen it, and had no idea what the ME and Dr. Baden were even looking at. He claims it could be inaccurate because of another test or something. But, from what I've observed, he has no idea if the test was run or not. He's ASSUMING it was not.

From all of the reports, etc., I've read about TOD, there is usually a two hour window. Dr. Baden gave that window, 5:00 a.m., which is PRIOR to the accused leaving the home, per his own words.

I have to tell you, I liked NG at one time. But I've seen so much misp-reporting on her show. I mean, when we follow a case here, we find out facts, lots of times before the MSM. I can't even count the number of times I've watched NG and even Greta, and seen them state something that is absolutely not true and even the contrary.

I guess it's good entertainment for dramatic purposes.

JMHO
fran

 

[TallCoolOne]

IMHO, Dr. Perper has been auditioning for high-profile cases ever since the Ana Nicole thing. This guy didn't have the autopsy report, hasn't seen it, and had no idea what the ME and Dr. Baden were even looking at. He claims it could be inaccurate because of another test or something. But, from what I've observed, he has no idea if the test was run or not. He's ASSUMING it was not.

From all of the reports, etc., I've read about TOD, there is usually a two hour window. Dr. Baden gave that window, 5:00 a.m., which is PRIOR to the accused leaving the home, per his own words.

I have to tell you, I liked NG at one time. But I've seen so much misp-reporting on her show. I mean, when we follow a case here, we find out facts, lots of times before the MSM. I can't even count the number of times I've watched NG and even Greta, and seen them state something that is absolutely not true and even the contrary.

I guess it's good entertainment for dramatic purposes.

JMHO
fran

Yuppers, unfortunately so often it is reduced to entertainment. They worry more about ratings than accuracy. It's pretty bad when posters on a crime board know the details better then the people who are supposed to be reporting them!!!

I think Perper is hoping this will land him a job.

 

[waterlooinspector]

I have not caught up so I do now know if anyone has seen this.Poster from PD who has been right before.

Bill Brasski May 22, 2009 3:06PM CS

Here is an interesting piece of info I heard last night from a reliable source that hasn't been posted yet to my knowledge. Chris was at a gym in waterloo working out the evening before the murders with one of his boys.

This brings the whole "i was at the gym" excuse into question. its not uncommon for people to work out in the early morning, but it is uncommon to workout in the evening and then wake up about 8 hours later in the early morning and go workout again.

There are a couple of "work-out" centers here in Waterloo. One of them is very new, right off Hwy 3 by the athletic fields. Neither of them are very busy in the evenings. I am sure as high profile as this case has been, LE would have checked out that possibility.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Thank's adnoid :blowkiss:. My wise and awesome sister, SCM said that to me a looooong time ago and it stuck with me. It is a wonderful saying!

SCM is a very intelligent woman. (Must run in the family!)