Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt6

[analytical]

We have to remember it would be Chris' fake distortion since he wrote the threatening notes and left the messages at the crime scene. I can see him using words such as "She-Devil" to pretend he was some extremist against JMM. Don't forget...this was set up to look like SODDI and the other dude was upset about Chris protecting her or something to that affect. (We don't know what the threating letters said exactly.)

Don't forget .. I don't agree that CC did this.

 

[Lindadanette]

Reviewing the older threads and two things jumped out at me. First this post copied from STL:

>>Raisin08 May 11, 2009 7:38AM CST
The husband is the main person of interest. I know someone who has a friend on the Major Case Squad. They think its him but they don't have a way to prove it yet... Some notes to hint on:

The g/f in FL does exist. He called her at 6 am to tell her he was leaving the gym (I guess for an aliby).

The kids were in their beds strangled and the wife was in hers. The kids were spray painted (The spray paint can came from Joyce Meyer's).

The letters came from the husband.

And this from a different post:

"She planned to make missionary trips to Mexico and India this summer."

Makes me wonder if CC's original plan was to wait until later this summer and file for divorce while SC was away on a mission trip to India. I think something/someone tipped his hand, so to speak, and Sheri found out what was going on. The bit about the origination of the spray paint is interesting. too.

 

[analytical]

Wise has been covering St. Louis for close to 20 years. For close to 3, he worked as a TV-video specialist for the Joyce Meyer Ministries alongside Chris Coleman and Coleman's wife Sheri, 31.

key word .. "worked" .. past tense

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Although there is a scripture reference to women not being pastors, there is nothing about "she-devils" in the Bible.

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12).

WOW. That is incredible! So is this supposed to be God saying this, or Timothy? ETA - and who is Timothy to say this?

 

[Lindadanette]

I don't know what he is telling them but I do know that these people who go to this church believe they are "better" and "holier" then anyone else around here. (maybe RC teaches them this). If they leave the church then anyone who stays at the church will turn their back on the person who has left the church. They just don't lose their church but they lose their so called friends (social circle).
(I am sure I will get slammed again for posting this - but it is the honest to GOD's truth and no I was never a member of this church.)

This is SO true and must seem bizarre to someone who's never been a part of that culture. Even those of us who go/went to churches that we love will quickly find out how shunned you are once you leave. Oh the people I know aren't as rude and dismissive as it seems to be at this church - but most of the "inner circle" at my church undoubtedly think that I've "fallen away" from "the truth" - as if they have a monopoly on it. . . sheesh.

 

[Carrington]

Wise and CC both worked for JMM at some point in time together.
All we really need to know is if JM told her employees not to discuss CC's case, and Wise is going against orders from headquarters, or getting his orders on what to report from TPTB.
I think he no longer works for JMM, I could very well be wrong.
IMO

 

[pres101]

Thinking about "she-devil", some believe that scripture forbids a woman to teach and therefore she also cannot preach or deliver the gospel in any way.

Doing a little google, I found many references to "forbidding" women to "teach and/or preach..."

Here's a quote from one link ... "Preach against women preachers and you'll have a she-devil. In our search for the Apostolic Woman, we should beware of the she-devils. A woman who has no control over her spirit, to be subjective to her husband or the male only Ministry of Jesus Messiah, is not a true Apostolic Woman."

http://jesus-messiah.com/w-preach/wp-ot-7.html

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here's an example of extreme thinking .. his beef is she doesn't "submit" to her husband ...

YouTube - Situation Room 3 .The Jezebel Spirit

I have no doubts that "Watchman" in the situation room is a real nut-job.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I don't know what he is telling them but I do know that these people who go to this church believe they are "better" and "holier" then anyone else around here. (maybe RC teaches them this). If they leave the church then anyone who stays at the church will turn their back on the person who has left the church. They just don't lose their church but they lose their so called friends (social circle).
(I am sure I will get slammed again for posting this - but it is the honest to GOD's truth and no I was never a member of this church.)

I have some questions about the whole holier than thou clique situation up there. If I'm hearing things correctly CC and Sheri were apart of one church, Ronald and Connie Coleman another, and then of course we have JM Ministries. What's up with that? I mean they're all the same right? You'd think that CC would have belonged to his families church or if not then JMM.

Are there cliques within cliques in Chester? Was CC eventually going to lead his own flock? That would explain why he is not part of his father's.

 

[Kimster]

Don't forget .. I don't agree that CC did this.

We haven't won you over YET? :crazy:

ut em up:

 

[analytical]

I have no doubts that "Watchman" in the situation room is a real nut-job.

Indeed. And there are religious "nutjobs" who pervert the gospel and take it so far as to kill abortion doctors, for example.

Some "watchmen" feel they are "called upon" (wrong thinking) to execute God's judgments for Him.

.... they aren't

 

[analytical]

I have some questions about the whole holier than thou clique situation up there. If I'm hearing things correctly CC and Sheri were apart of one church, Ronald and Connie Coleman another, and then of course we have JM Ministries. What's up with that? I mean they're all the same right? You'd think that CC would have belonged to his families church or if not then JMM.

Are there cliques within cliques in Chester? Was CC eventually going to lead his own flock? That would explain why he is not part of his father's.

JM does not have a church.. she has a ministry but even she attends a church - maybe it is LifeChristianCenter- I'm not sure

 

[Kimster]

WOW. That is incredible! So is this supposed to be God saying this, or Timothy?

Paul wrote this. Don't take this wrong, though. He was speaking about a specific role, not that women are to be silent all the time! NOT EVEN!

 

[Carrington]

I have some questions about the whole holier than thou clique situation up there. If I'm hearing things correctly CC and Sheri were apart of one church, Ronald and Connie Coleman another, and then of course we have JM Ministries. What's up with that? I mean they're all the same right? You'd think that CC would have belonged to his families church or if not then JMM.

Are there cliques within cliques in Chester? Was CC eventually going to lead his own flock? That would explain why he is not part of his father's.

I wondered about this myself. My conclusion is: Destiny was closer to home and preached basically the same sermons. JMM does not have a church.
IMO

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Paul wrote this. Don't take this wrong, though. He was speaking about a specific role, not that women are to be silent all the time! NOT EVEN!

Okay, thanks.

 

[analytical]

I wondered about this myself. My conclusion is: Destiny was closer to home and preached basically this same sermons. JMM does not have a church.
IMO

The pastor of Destiny is about 30'ish .. it seems a church that attracts the young crowd.

 

[Kimster]

From what I've seen and heard so far, JM isn't a preacher at all. She has written some books and does a lot of spiritual motivational teachings. Am I right? I have a couple of friends who live "back east" who like her teaching a lot. I don't know anyone around here that is familiar with her.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

We have to remember it would be Chris' fake distortion since he wrote the threatening notes and left the messages at the crime scene. I can see him using words such as "She-Devil" to pretend he was some extremist against JMM. Don't forget...this was set up to look like SODDI and the other dude was upset about Chris protecting her or something to that affect. (We don't know what the threating letters said exactly.)

I'm thinking that CC "fake distortion" is not too far off from his real disortions/core beliefs. I'm thinking that daddy was quite the role model for male entitlement with the expensive cars etc, receiving large amounts of money from his flock" etc. Especially considering the "blame the women" attitude reflected in some of the posts from the locals on the various press sites.

Also falls in line with dating a stripper. Comfort with women who are comfortable being objectified screams intimacy issues.

Yuck, yuke, yuke... Sheri seems very human, she was the mother of his children, this is an extreme theory but did a part of him believe that Sheri needed to be punished for her humanity?

 

[Kimster]

I'm thinking that CC "fake distortion" is not too far off from his real disortions/core beliefs. I'm thinking that daddy was quite the role model for male entitlement with the expensive cars etc, receiving large amounts of money from his flock" etc. Especially considering the "blame the women" attitude reflected in some of the posts from the locals on the various press sites.

Also falls in line with dating a stripper. Comfort with women who are comfortable being objectified screams intimacy issues.

Yuck, yuke, yuke... Sheri seems very human, she was the mother of his children, this is an extreme theory but did a part of him believe that Sheri needed to be punished for her humanity?

Boy, I'd love to know how RC treats his wife....

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Mr Rosie is the farthest from controlling as one can get, and he knows/has the password to my youtube account and a number of other sites, cause I use one password for certain kinds of things. He doesn't upload to youtube and should he start he would get his own account. He occasionally looks at stuff - he is very non tech/online/addicted to the web, etc.

Others, he doesn't have, but, he does know where there is an envelope in case something happens to me. It has all of my online accounts, urls, user names and passwords. Just in case.

I find it curious Sheri didn't have other videos up of the boys' activities like ballgames etc. I don't know what all she had on her facebook or myspace pages, but on U-tube there was just the deer video on that one account. (I don't think we found any other accounts.)

I would look at it more like he had her password or something with other videos on there.

 

[pres101]

I have some questions about the whole holier than thou clique situation up there. If I'm hearing things correctly CC and Sheri were apart of one church, Ronald and Connie Coleman another, and then of course we have JM Ministries. What's up with that? I mean they're all the same right? You'd think that CC would have belonged to his families church or if not then JMM.

Are there cliques within cliques in Chester? Was CC eventually going to lead his own flock? That would explain why he is not part of his father's.

Daisy,
Columbia, IL where CC lived is about 50 miles from Chester, IL where his parents have a Grace Church.. In order to work at JMM you are required to attend church on a regular basis. CC and his family went to Destiny Church in St. Louis, MO. Destiny is much closer than Grace so they went there.

Both Grace and Destiny are influenced by Joyce Meyers.

ETA: Chester if full of cliques.