Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt6

[chestergal]

I have some questions about the whole holier than thou clique situation up there. If I'm hearing things correctly CC and Sheri were apart of one church, Ronald and Connie Coleman another, and then of course we have JM Ministries. What's up with that? I mean they're all the same right? You'd think that CC would have belonged to his families church or if not then JMM.

Are there cliques within cliques in Chester? Was CC eventually going to lead his own flock? That would explain why he is not part of his father's.

JMM is not a church - I don't think they have services at JMM headquarters
Destiny Church (Sheri & CC's Church) is at Manchester RD and I-270. (not very far from Columbia IL)
Grace Church Ministries (GCM) is a 50 miles south of Columbia IL (about a 60 minute drive or longer depending on traffic down Route 3 (small 2 lanes highway - 1 lane each direction) - you have to deal with a train of slow cars sometimes that pack in next to each other and it makes it hard and dangerous to pass the "train" of cars or you might have to deal with farm equipment on the road.

So my guess is that they chose to go to Destiny Church instead of Grace Church Ministries because of the distance OR it could be also that Sheri didn't like Grace Church Ministries and the small town, small minded folks she ran into at the church here. I am not hearing about any "Chester" friends that Sheri had living down here and that could be because Sheri did not spend much time down here. (go ahead a slam me Chester folks but I am not the only transplant in this town who see things the way I do.)

Destiny and GCM both follow the same ideals as the JMM to some degree.

 

[pres101]

Indeed. And there are religious "nutjobs" who pervert the gospel and take it so far as to kill abortion doctors, for example.

Some "watchmen" feel they are "called upon" (wrong thinking) to execute God's judgments for Him.

.... they aren't

Very sad but true. Even the KKK claims to be a christian organization.

(hope I don't have to explain where they went wrong) joking

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have some questions about the whole holier than thou clique situation up there. If I'm hearing things correctly CC and Sheri were apart of one church, Ronald and Connie Coleman another, and then of course we have JM Ministries. What's up with that? I mean they're all the same right? You'd think that CC would have belonged to his families church or if not then JMM.

Are there cliques within cliques in Chester? Was CC eventually going to lead his own flock? That would explain why he is not part of his father's.

Chris and Sheri lived in Columbia and it is a distance from Chester. Why would they drive so far when there is a church nearby with basically the same belief system? I could understand Sheri and the boys wanting to stay within their community to attend church and socialize. I would guess most of the children at Destiny went to the same school as the boys.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have some questions about the whole holier than thou clique situation up there. If I'm hearing things correctly CC and Sheri were apart of one church, Ronald and Connie Coleman another, and then of course we have JM Ministries. What's up with that? I mean they're all the same right? You'd think that CC would have belonged to his families church or if not then JMM.

Are there cliques within cliques in Chester? Was CC eventually going to lead his own flock? That would explain why he is not part of his father's.

Chris and Sheri lived in Columbia and it is a distance from Chester. Why would they drive so far when there is a church nearby with basically the same belief system? I could understand Sheri and the boys wanting to stay within their community to attend church and socialize. I would guess a lot of the children at Destiny went to the same school as the boys.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

The pastor of Destiny is about 30'ish .. it seems a church that attracts the young crowd.

Were the financial seminars that Sheri and CC did done through Destiny? Do we know if CC had anything to do with deciding that the church was going to do financial workshops?

 

[analytical]

Speaking of grasping at straws and a failed attempt to build his case, maybe this fellow calls Joyce Meyer a "she-devil" ... his conclusions are just too ROTFL'ing!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04AnWYCelFI&feature=related"]YouTube - Joyce Meyer is an abused woman[/ame]

 

[WestSideGal]

Wise and CC both worked for JMM at some point in time together.
All we really need to know is if JM told her employees not to discuss CC's case, and Wise is going against orders from headquarters, or getting his orders on what to report from TPTB.
I think he no longer works for JMM, I could very well be wrong.
IMO

George Wise is currently a photojournalist/videographer for the Associated Press. He is no longer an employee of JMM.

 

[pres101]

Chris and Sheri lived in Columbia and it is a distance from Chester. Why would they drive so far when there is a church nearby with basically the same belief system? I could understand Sheri and the boys wanting to stay within their community to attend church and socialize. I would guess most of the children at Destiny went to the same school as the boys.

Destiny is in MO and the CC lived in IL. They most likely started going to Destiny when they were living in the house that JMM bought for them. At that time they might have gone to the same schools. Even after moving to Columbia, IL they were still within 20 minutes of Destiny.

 

[chestergal]

I could tell you some stories about things that have happened to my husband and I by the locals down here. Plus some stories that other transplants have told me about what has been done to them. (It would make your head spin and you all would understand exactly where I am coming from if you knew)
But if I did then I could end up ID'ing myself to the people whom might want to harm me for speaking out about this town and church.

I know that I have been slammed for speaking out and I have a feeling that the reason they are doing this is because they want me to slip up and say something that will ID myself or where I am getting my info from.

So far I seem to be the only person who lives in Chester presently that is posting on here.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Boy, I'd love to know how RC treats his wife....

Yup, me too. It seems like the Coleman's are a high profile family in Chester. I wonder where Connie is in that profile. Are they a team or is she very much in the background?

It was sad that she had the bandages on at the funeral. This is such horrible timing with her being ill. I wonder if that was a factor in CC's snapping. I'd like to know if RC is a ladies man, sometimes that's pretty common in powerful men, and they never can keep that secret totally quite. Wonder if there are any whispers??

 

[Kimster]

Speaking of grasping at straws and a failed attempt to build his case, maybe this fellow calls Joyce Meyer a "she-devil" ... his conclusions are just too ROTFL'ing!

YouTube - Joyce Meyer is an abused woman

I watched it. Now, how does this guy know JM is being abused? Maybe it is JM who is calling the shots? Don't you just love it when people throw out these theories without any facts to base them on? :loser:

 

[analytical]

From what I've gathered by some reading, thanks to Google, is that a "she-devil" is likened to Jezebel.

Kimster ... why would Jezebel be called a "she-devil"?

..."they suffered that woman to preach and to teach"

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm thinking that CC "fake distortion" is not too far off from his real disortions/core beliefs. I'm thinking that daddy was quite the role model for male entitlement with the expensive cars etc, receiving large amounts of money from his flock" etc. Especially considering the "blame the women" attitude reflected in some of the posts from the locals on the various press sites.

Also falls in line with dating a stripper. Comfort with women who are comfortable being objectified screams intimacy issues.

Yuck, yuke, yuke... Sheri seems very human, she was the mother of his children, this is an extreme theory but did a part of him believe that Sheri needed to be punished for her humanity?

Maybe he was threatened by her popularity among the community and church plus she was beautiful and had done some modeling. Being in the service, she was also a strong woman and was on equal footing with him. It could he was jealous of Sheri and having an affair with her best friend was like his way of "one-up-manship" behind her back. Possibly, it didn't satisfy him as it once did and his hatred had grown towards her. The only thing left was to rid himself of her and the extensions of her (her children). The final "FU" to the woman who challenged his ego.

I don't think distorted religious beliefs played any role in these murders (except to point to SODDI). It was done for selfish reasons which did not pertain to religion. Chris obviously is not a Christian, but he can pretend quite well.

 

[Kimster]

From what I've gathered by some reading, thanks to Google, is that a "she-devil" is likened to Jezebel.

Kimster ... why would Jezebel be called a "she-devil"?

..."they suffered that woman to preach and to teach"

Again, the "she-devil" term was labeled by people, not God. They probably are trying to tie in what Paul said in Timothy to Jezebel because in the Old Testament Jezebel would tell Ahab what to do and he would do what she said. She was self-serving and her selfishness led to Ahab's death and the loss of their kingdom. This all happened WAY before Paul taught about leadership in the church. Some people may try to tie in what Paul said by saying these women would be like Jezebel, but I disagree. Jezebel's main problem was selfishness and a desire for power. Now, if that is why a woman (or a man) wants to preach, then they are like her. But, if a woman wants to teach the Bible in order to serve God and not herself, then that's not being a Jezebel at all!

As far as whether or not women should be preachers or not, that's something that we could talk about in another thread. I'm just trying to help you out with the "she-devil" comments and how they may have originated. They did not originate with God!

 

[Mia]

Hello, Websleuthers. I must admit I've been a long-time lurker for a long, long time. One of my favorite activities has been reading the posts all of you have written. From what I have seen, every single one of you is amazingly intelligent, clever, non-judgmental, open-minded, and extremely talented. Most of all, it seems everyone treats each other with respect - which is very rare in many of the other message boards I've posted.

I've mostly spent my time in the Cold Cases section, but the Coleman case has intrigued me from the very beginning. I know one can't judge a book by it's cover, so to speak, but the minute I saw Chris Coleman my gut feeling told me he is guilty: his facial expressions, body language, his hauling away of all his family's belongings less than a week after their deaths, his taking down of the beautiful memorial set up on his (previous) front lawn, so beautifully constructed by neighbors, his refusal to attend the service of Cheri and the boys' put on my Sheri's family, the supposed "threats", and finally, the TOD, which coincides with Chris being at home. The intruder theory just seems nearly impossible to me. I hear the defense is trying to get a change of venue. I hope this does not happen. A horrendous crime is committed in Columbia; the alleged perp should be tried in Columbia.

This is all my opinion.
And again, I'm happy to finally be a "participating" member of this wonderful board.

 

[analytical]

Thanks, Kimster .. just pondering the term "she-devil"

 

[analytical]

Hello, Mia!

 

[pres101]

Maybe he was threatened by her popularity among the community and church plus she was beautiful and had done some modeling. Being in the service, she was also a strong woman and was on equal footing with him. It could he was jealous of Sheri and having an affair with her best friend was like his way of "one-up-manship" behind her back. Possibly, it didn't satisfy him as it once did and his hatred had grown towards her. The only thing left was to rid himself of her and the extensions of her (her children). The final "FU" to the woman who challenged his ego.

I don't think distorted religious beliefs played any role in these murders (except to point to SODDI). It was done for selfish reasons which did not pertain to religion. Chris obviously is not a Christian, but he can pretend quite well.

SS, I agree. CC obviously was not a Christian but knew how to use that system. I think CC also thought that he would be beyond suspicion.

He grew up in a church full of double standards that were always swayed in his favor. He really thought he would get away with it.

Just a few more of my thoughts for what they are worth.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Hello, Websleuthers. I must admit I've been a long-time lurker for a long, long time. One of my favorite activities has been reading the posts all of you have written. From what I have seen, every single one of you is amazingly intelligent, clever, non-judgmental, open-minded, and extremely talented. Most of all, it seems everyone treats each other with respect - which is very rare in many of the other message boards I've posted.

I've mostly spent my time in the Cold Cases section, but the Coleman case has intrigued me from the very beginning. I know one can't judge a book by it's cover, so to speak, but the minute I saw Chris Coleman my gut feeling told me he is guilty: his facial expressions, body language, his hauling away of all his family's belongings less than a week after their deaths, his taking down of the beautiful memorial set up on his (previous) front lawn, so beautifully constructed by neighbors, his refusal to attend the service of Cheri and the boys' put on my Sheri's family, the supposed "threats", and finally, the TOD, which coincides with Chris being at home. The intruder theory just seems nearly impossible to me. I hear the defense is trying to get a change of venue. I hope this does not happen. A horrendous crime is committed in Columbia; the alleged perp should be tried in Columbia.

This is all my opinion.
And again, I'm happy to finally be a "participating" member of this wonderful board.

Welcome! Glad to have you posting with us! And welcome to all the other newcomers in the past few days!

 

[WestSideGal]

Thanks, Kimster .. just pondering the term "she-devil"

I thought the whole She-Devil on the wall referring to JM was a joke that someone posted over on the PD board???