Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt7

[WestSideGal]

Sort of OT but today I had a couple come in to have some mortgage documents notarized (I am a notary for MO)...anyway, I've seen this couple before and was familiar with them but since we have a book to log and have them sign whenever we notarize anything, I went by the book. Good thing I did. The papers were already signed so I politely asked for their ID and to sign my book. The husband did and his signature on the document matched his driver's license and where he signed in my book. The wife...not so much. Her ID matched the signature in my book but not the document. I looked and looked and just couldn't see the match. The husband asked if there was a problem and I said yes, her signature doesn't match. I started to pull up some documents we already had on file to compare and she said, 'Can I tell you what he did?' I said, yes - please do. She told me he took the documents to his office where they have a notary but the notary wasn't there today so he had someone in his office forge her signature on the documents!! I have to say, had it not been for what's going on here, I may have overlooked since I knew this couple but I'm glad I did because if anything had happened, I would have been responsible. I made her sign the documents again in front of me before I notarized them.

So, someone familiar with CC may have also overlooked documents before notarizing them.

 

[Leila]

This case is beginning to look a lot like the Scott Peterson case, with the girlfriend in Florida, whom he told he had already filed for divorce.

 

[chestergal]

IMO too much info is getting out there!
Someone is leaking info to the press and I bet I know who it is.
Someone wants a change of venue for this trial.

 

[escamoles]

IMO too much info is getting out there!

Are you hearing more than we are, chestergal? I haven't heard anything new since yesterday -- but I thought yesterday's information was way too much.

Do you think the BND was put up to requesting those documents?

 

[waterlooinspector]

Wow! I think I'm caught up now.

I did want to post this - I found it the other day and forgot to post it. Seems it was notarized...I'm still not sure about that siggy tho.

CASAREZ: To Nick Pistor, reporter, "St. Louis Post-Dispatch," I`ve read some things in regard to the deed of their home, that her name, the victim`s name may have been taken off in October.

NICK PISTOR, REPORTER, ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH, COVERING STORY: In November he took the name, her name off the deed to the house. She was removed.

CASAREZ: With her compliance? With her agreement to do that?

PISTOR: It appears that she signed and it was notarized. But our -- it`s possible that police are looking at that to see what that was all about. I had talked with her family to see if they knew anything about it, and they said they had no idea.

And I`ve talked to other people to ask hem why someone would agree to have their name taken off the house.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/15/ng.01.html

We have seen a signature on the quit deed...but, correct me if I am wrong...we have not seen the notary stamp on that document. We have just seen the first page.....

 

[chestergal]

Are you hearing more than we are, chestergal? I haven't heard anything new since yesterday -- but I thought yesterday's information was way too much.

Do you think the BND was put up to requesting those documents?

I'm not talking about the SW papers - The judge released them.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Geez so many pages to catch up with lol been all over the net can not find anything new.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

What if? What if, CC really didn't think he would get caught at all? What if he got away with this and the MCS never found any evidence against him? What if he took what he could, got money for the insurance on his family, sold the house and all of his family's belongings and moved down to florida with his mistress. He had secondary accounts, credit cards and even pre-paid phones to stay "off" of the radar. What if, he was such an animal that he wanted to keep the receipt as a way of reminding him what he did, not like as a bad thing, but what obstacle he overcame to be where he was now and what he could do again and get away clean, if needed? I don't know anyone who keeps receipts at all and I throw mine out right after getting them. So, there had to be a reason why he kept it.

Interesting theory. Setting aside the fact that he has shown the world that he is a bumbling idiot, is it possible that iit goes beyond needing to show himself what he is capable of, what if its some twisted need to show everyone what a monster he is?

Addition: Because don't psycho killers that write threatening letters usually follow up with taking credit for their actions, so they can show the world how powerful they are, even if they never reveal who they are? Dunno, just a thought. Maybe some of the creepiness in cc's look post arrest is his "pride" that he has been this monster for 31 years and he has never been caught, and he is enjoying taking credit for that and the murders?

 

[mikeysmommom]

On Nancy they said he told his girlfriend he was getting a divorce.

 

[JBean]

I can say beyond a doubt, I would NOT want to be on that jury. I would NOT want to look at those crime scene photos, much less hear all of the graphic evidence that we know will most likely come out. I personally, couldn't handle it.

Having said that, I was in the courtroom during the closing statements of a high profile case, Avila......who kidnapped and murdered little Samantha Runion out of Orange County, Calif. The words themselves are powerful enough, but when they presented the crime scene photos of poor little Samantha, (they did NOT show them to the entire courtroom, thank goodness), there was a look of horror and disbelief on every juror's face.........

God protect those jurors, whoever they may be.

JMHO
fran

I was with Fran that day at closing arguments and honestly it was so overwhelming. I don't know how family members can keep still sitting so close to someone that murdered their loved one.

 

[Melanie]

Just some notes from NG tonight:

Most likely CC planned the murder - indeed - so post mortem changes would be as fresh as possible. Baden said the killings were in quick order, then CC left the house asap (to make it look like SODDI).

This doesn't make sense to me -- they were obviously killed hours earlier.

also noted: Deep and utter hatred towards wife (per psychologist).

Where is the 28-30K refi money?

Source claims CC told MM he filed for divorce (hey Scott Peterson)!

Neighborhood camera may reveal when Coleman left the house.

Injury and scratches on arm -- did wife fight back?

Ligature on the neck, compresses on the vein, which makes the face purple right away (per Baden)

Coleman reported threats to LE in Janaury and April.

Now we're on tot mom --

Mel

 

[fmrchesterguy]

Sort of OT but today I had a couple come in to have some mortgage documents notarized (I am a notary for MO)...anyway, I've seen this couple before and was familiar with them but since we have a book to log and have them sign whenever we notarize anything, I went by the book. Good thing I did. The papers were already signed so I politely asked for their ID and to sign my book. The husband did and his signature on the document matched his driver's license and where he signed in my book. The wife...not so much. Her ID matched the signature in my book but not the document. I looked and looked and just couldn't see the match. The husband asked if there was a problem and I said yes, her signature doesn't match. I started to pull up some documents we already had on file to compare and she said, 'Can I tell you what he did?' I said, yes - please do. She told me he took the documents to his office where they have a notary but the notary wasn't there today so he had someone in his office forge her signature on the documents!! I have to say, had it not been for what's going on here, I may have overlooked since I knew this couple but I'm glad I did because if anything had happened, I would have been responsible. I made her sign the documents again in front of me before I notarized them.

So, someone familiar with CC may have also overlooked documents before notarizing them.

Isn't a notary supposed to watch the signatures go onto the documents? I mean, that's the whole point of notaries, to witness the signing of documents!

 

[rockman]

however, my husband keeps everything. He has a shoebox full of old receipts. I swear he has receipts from dates with girlfriends 25 years ago.

This one was just too good to pass up without comment. :laugh:

 

[daisy.faithfull]

there's only one reason I can think of....he's dumber than a post.

I'd be a hoot if the prosecution could use past evidence of "dumber than a post" to help prove their case!:floorlaugh: Has there ever been a crime like this that was pulled off with such utter idiocy? In these kinds of cases I give the detectives props for resisting the urge to slam guys like cc's face against the wall. In this case I also wonder how they also kept themselves from laughing in cc's face.

 

[JBean]

Isn't a notary supposed to watch the signatures go onto the documents? I mean, that's the whole point of notaries, to witness the signing of documents!

No, you do not have to sign in front of a notary. You can prove who you are to the notary and confirm to them that you signed it and that is sufficient to notarize your signature.

ETA: I realize that different documents have different requirements and I am referring to acknowledgments in this post. Thanks to all those that brainstormed this.

 

[TallCoolOne]

I'd be a hoot if the prosecution could use past evidence of "dumber than a post" to help prove their case!:floorlaugh: Has there ever been a crime like this that was pulled off with such utter idiocy? In these kinds of cases I give the detectives props for resisting the urge to slam guys like cc's face against the wall. In this case I also wonder how they also kept themselves from laughing in cc's face.

I'm certain the fact that this entailed the murder of a beautiful young woman and her 2 young boys helped keep the detectives laughter in check.......

 

[browneyes]

No, you do not have to sign in front of a notary. You can prove who you are to the notary and confirm to them that you signed it and that is sufficient to notarize your signature.

Hi JBean! I was a notary here in Virginia back when I worked and I had to witness the person actually signing the document. It still works that way here to my knowledge.

 

[escamoles]

I'm not talking about the SW papers - The judge released them.

That's what I figured you meant. Not trying to pump you for information or scare you off!

 

[JBean]

Hi JBean! I was a notary here in Virginia back when I worked and I had to witness the person actually signing the document. It still works that way here to my knowledge.

Hi Brownie.:blowkiss: Not here in Cali. As long as the person says they signed it, that's all that is needed.

 

[Lindadanette]

He told MM he was getting a divorce. . . Gee, I wonder how long after they started messing around behind Sheri's back this was? I know we're supposed to play nice because MM is cooperating with the authorities, but come on - I hope they weren't too hasty with that immunity!!!!!!