Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt7

[rockman]

He was wearing gloves though. Isn't that one of the wonderful finds on the freeway?

It has been reported at least one glove was found. We shall see.

 

[Kimster]

Is that kind of like a "Hostess" at a "Gentleman's Club"?

ADNOID!!!

:slap:

 

[chestergal]

Straw bales don't weigh much - maybe 30 lbs. (but tossing these by hand all day long can wear you out). The point of the stronger poly twine is due to the straw being compressed under pressure and then tied with poly bale twine by the baler machines. After it is tied then the straw expands outward and the twine has to be strong enough to handle the expansion of the straw. The expansion of the straw against the twine holds the bale together so that it keeps it's form.

Straw comes from the bottom of winter wheat and it is only cut and harvested when it is dry.
Then straw is normally stored out of the weather and can be stored for a few years. (this why they need a stronger twine on it also)
Straw is not used for feed, but it is used for many other things in today's world.

 

[rockman]

Speaking of the hostess......This might have been discussed on one of the previous threads about this case, but I don't remember seeing it. I am surprised there are no current photos of MM other than the couple that were on a website. I would think the media or paparazzi (sp?) would be staked out on where she lives and works to try for a shot. Do you think she is in protective custody? Maybe a safe house with protection? Thoughts?

 

[rockman]

Straw bales don't weigh much - maybe 30 lbs. (but tossing these by hand all day long can wear you out). The point of the stronger poly twine is due to the hay being compressed under pressure and then tied with poly bale twine by the baler machines. After it is tied then the straw expands outward and the twine has to be strong enough to handle the expansion of the straw. The expansion of the straw against the twine holds the bale together so that it keeps it's form.

Straw comes from the bottom of winter wheat and it is only cut and harvested when it is dry.
Then straw is normally stored out of the weather and can be stored for a few years. (this why they need a stronger twine on it also)
Straw is not used for feed, but it is used for many other things in today's world.

Thanks again. This "city boy" is getting an education this evening about hay bales and twine.

 

[Kimster]

Speaking of the hostess......This might have been discussed on one of the previous threads about this case, but I don't remember seeing it. I am surprised there are no current photos of MM other than the couple that were on a website. I would think the media or paparazzi (sp?) would be staked out on where she lives and works to try for a shot. Do you think she is in protective custody? Maybe a safe house with protection? Thoughts?

LE and the media usually have a pretty decent relationship while LE is still putting together their cases. I know a lady who is familiar with Kathi B of the Anthony case and Kathi is very good about NOT reporting certain things that are specifically asked to keep quiet. I'm glad to know that the media still has scruples for the most part! :clap:

Perhaps LE asked the media to keep her on the down low.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I live in the city, so no bay here. But, when I see tv shows, those bales are huge, and the guys are usually wearing hefty gloves.

Now that I think about it -- wouldn't CC have some marks on his hands if he used only laytex gloves? Would his hands be burned as well? Would the latex glove have residue? I wish Nancy Grace would ask these kind of questions.

Just curious if this has been mentioned before.

Best,

Mel

I was wondering about that too, but I can't find anything that says if the wounds on his hands were on his palm or not, which is where I envision that kind of would most likely be in a strangling if the ligature is brought around the neck and crossed. (don't know how else to explain it)

But then I started to wonder if hand placement would be different if the twine was in a noose as I think it was described. Maybe he used other parts of his hand, wrist or arm as leverage.

Then I started to wonder if there is a possibility that CC's DNA is on the twine. If he wasn't wearing his gloves when he cut the twine, that stuff does not sound like it is easy to cut and maybe it left trance on the cutting instrument. Hey, wasn't there a rumor that a knife was involved? I haven't read the SW through yet.... don't know if that is even a possible connection, it just occurred to me. Have we been told the specific length of the murder weapon, did CC shorten it after removing it from around the hay? hmmmm

 

[Fairy1]

He was wearing gloves though. Isn't that one of the wonderful finds on the freeway?

Good point! Any wounds he had most likely came from the struggle Sheri put up while he was killing her. IMO

 

[JBean]

Is that kind of like a "Hostess" at a "Gentleman's Club"?

In a backwards kind of way.

 

[chestergal]

Thanks again. This "city boy" is getting an education this evening about hay bales and twine.

LOL.... I am a city gal - grew up in STL but moved to the country in the early 1990's
BTW Hay & Straw are not the same (and country folk will laugh at you if you ask for hay to spread over your city grass seed)

CC had Straw bales in his backyard.

 

[Kimster]

JBean, Can't members put Mods in time out? I mean, like a citizen's arrest? <evil grin>

 

[Kimster]

Ann Bremner on NG just said "He might as well have spray painted an arrow pointed to his face that said 'I did it'". And she's a defense lawyer!

 

[panthera]

I live in the city, so no bay here. But, when I see tv shows, those bales are huge, and the guys are usually wearing hefty gloves.

Now that I think about it -- wouldn't CC have some marks on his hands if he used only laytex gloves? Would his hands be burned as well? Would the latex glove have residue? I wish Nancy Grace would ask these kind of questions.

Just curious if this has been mentioned before.

Best,

Mel

That seems entirely possible and also the glove could've torn. MOO

 

[panthera]

Ann Bremner on NG just said "He might as well have spray painted an arrow pointed to his face that said 'I did it'". And she's a defense lawyer!

I'm watching her show again and I was surprised too, coming from Ann! But there's no denying the evidence accumulated against him, and the outrage against a killer of not only his wife but two small children. MOO

 

[rockman]

LOL.... I am a city gal - grew up in STL but moved to the country in the early 1990's
BTW Hay & Straw are not the same (and country folk will laugh at you if you ask for hay to spread over your city grass seed)

CC had Straw bales in his backyard.

Yeah same here....grew up in St. Louis but moved in 1986.

 

[Fairy1]

I been thinkin'....For the sake of argument, let's say that all of the evidence they can tie to the actual murders did come right from the house and the receipts indicate none were recent purchases.

Now, if you were a loony toon, diabolical killer who was who was watching CC "all the time," would you wait for him to take off for the gym, enter the house, look around for the perfect murder weapon ('cause you didn't bring one with you), strangle 3 people, then paint your freaky messages all over the house when you KNOW (because you're watching him ALL THE TIME) he will be home shortly? I'm going to go with "NO" on that scenario.

TOD will be key in this case for sure. But the time frame CC is now married to will not hold water, IMO.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I am playing Devil's advocate here...but I hope there is forensic evidence on this twine found 3 miles away. If not, it bears no use....as evidence....

Could it be used circumstantially though? Its on the same route with other evidence, its shaped as a noose, possibly fibers were found at the crime scene or on the victims that match the twine, the ligature mark is consistent with the twine, one of the bales at the home was missing a tie, the wear and tear on the ties that remained on the bales in the Coleman's yard match that of the presumed murder weapon, matches trace on the glove....

 

[JustPeachy]

Hi JBean! I was a notary here in Virginia back when I worked and I had to witness the person actually signing the document. It still works that way here to my knowledge.

I was a notary in Va also, documents had to be signed in person with proper ID.

 

[rockman]

I been thinkin'....For the sake of argument, let's say that all of the evidence they can tie to the actual murders did come right from the house and the receipts indicate none were recent purchases.

Now, if you were a loony toon, diabolical killer who was who was watching CC "all the time," would you wait for him to take off for the gym, enter the house, look around for the perfect murder weapon ('cause you didn't bring one with you), strangle 3 people, then paint your freaky messages all over the house when you KNOW (because you're watching him ALL THE TIME) he will be home shortly? I'm going to go with "NO" on that scenario.

TOD will be key in this case for sure. But the time frame CC is now married to will not hold water, IMO.

Heck no. If I were the mastermind killer, I would have done when I knew he was at work at night. Of course, he might have seen me on his fancy video camera setup, but so what. I would have worn a mask so I could not be identified.

 

[Kimster]

Heck no. If I were the mastermind killer, I would have done when I knew he was at work at night. Of course, he might have seen me on his fancy video camera setup, but so what. I would have worn a mask so I could not be identified.

Excellent post! :clap: Hope the prosecution reads this!