Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt8

[fran]

Because of what we've found out that transpired while Chris was at the hospital and LE taking DNA samples and even on the scratches on his arm, Chris knew immediately he was under suspicion. NOT in the usual MO of LE either, but based on what LE considered 'evidence,' ie the scratches, which MOST LIKELY were the result of one or more of the victims attempting to defend themself.

Having said that, his parents most likely knew he was STRONGLY suspected. Whether they believed him or not, I don't know. I did read the other day, on a news blog, that (could be rumor or considered unsubstantiated) that one of his brothers believes Chris is innocent, BECAUSE he told him so. His parents might be of the same mindset, imo. As long as he denies involvement in the murder, they're trusting he's speaking the truth and SODDI. IF he ever confesses to them, well, that may be the ONLY WAY they'll believe he's guilty of something so heinous.

I wouldn't doubt if this is the REASON in part, why his family stayed away from Sheri's. I truthfully can think of no other reason why. I mean this is a supposed man of the cloth. This is what they do. Provide comfort to those in need. Sheri and the boys belonged to BOTH families. At the least, they SHOULD have called them personally. The fact they didn't,..........well,..........speaks volumes.

and yes.............NOT offering a reward speaks volumes too. I can guess why Sheri's family didn't offer a reward,..............because they KNEW WHO LE suspected..........but Chris or his family not, well.............

Such a senseless, senseless crime.

JMHO
fran

 

[Sal]

Wrinkles, I want to address some of your questions from my point of view (duh, who else's I ask ya). And hello to all of you. Man, I don't get to come here enough!
Yes, it's difficult to imagine what one would do in such a sitch. But I do go at things with the mindset that we are capable of doing dastardly deeds. It may not be probable, but it is possible, and who knows what it takes to bring each of us to the point of no return? I would still have unconditional love for an adult child doing such as this but I would not be able to cast away the obvious way things look. I just will never have BLIND FAITH in anyone - including my own flesh and blood as I'm well aware of some of the things I've been tempted to do. I have had murder in my heart and thank God I didn't do it! I am quite the lover and peace maker and I'd want to be making nice with the inlaws of my kid but things would turn sour if their eyes were blinded to anything but "innocent." And especially when we wear the name of Christ as Christians is this true. We have to see ourselves as sinners, saved by His grace. And not one of us is good! Somewhat OT here but along the lines, when my husband left me I had thought I was very good friends, indeed, family to my inlaws. But they didn't call one time to see how I was doing, how their granddaughters (our kids) were doing. Nothing at all! What the? All I can think about these two fams, CC's and SC's, is that perhaps they were merely civil to each other and not good and valued friends. If I had an angry adult child I would back way off as anger can be so irrational and let them know I still loved them but that I am not learned in the irrational ways of anger. If my adult child claimed not guilty but I thought they were indeed guilty I wouldn't go around ranting and raving and giving interviews about my opinions but I'd be long and loud with telling my kid to do the right thing and fess up. Luckily, I don't even have the proverbial pot to pee in, so they'd have to go the way of the public defender and I'd be furious at my kid for inflicting unnecessary county spending on their behalf. I haven't known that CC's mom is ill. I think RC should keep her life quiet and peaceful because there really isn't anything they can do. The best and maybe only thing is to pray because God is in control of all this.

 

[RR0004]

Since CC's father is a minister Imo he would have some experience in how to comfort someone in their time of grief. SC'c family lost their daughter and their grandchildren! The families had a mutual loss with losing the grandchildren and Imo it would be the natural thing to reach out to the ones who would be sharing in your pain.
They would not have to be talking about who they felt was or was not guilty, they could have just talked about how much they loved these family members who were taken away and talk about what they meant to them.

None of my family lives close to me, if something were to happen and I was killed, I just can not picture my dh and his family not contacting members of my family and reaching out to them, it would be one of the very first things that would be done, when you have a crisis, you want to reach out to other people. You do not avoid phone calls and force a family to have to take things to court so they can have a funeral.

VB

Can it be that their differences may be of a religious nature? I know very little of the congregation the elder Coleman leads, but could it be that they frown on other religions? Maybe in their minds SC's family isn't worthy of their attention/prayers.

 

[Lindadanette]

Repectfully snipped~

Somewhat OT here but along the lines, when my husband left me I had thought I was very good friends, indeed, family to my inlaws. But they didn't call one time to see how I was doing, how their granddaughters (our kids) were doing. Nothing at all! What the?

I really appreciated your entire post for so many reasons . . . and the same thing happened to me. I became sort of a non-entity to my ex's family. . . But when his mom went in the hospital, I did go see her and I think she was genuinely glad that I bridged that gap. And when she passed away a short time later, I even called my ex and offered to help him take care of packing up her belongings (he was an only child and she doted on him - I knew how lost he would be). I was way over him but still felt led by the spirit to offer a helping hand.

In that regard, I can't imagine CC's parents, especially if they believe that he is innocent, not reaching out to Sheri's family - no matter what the "tone" of the relationship was - and offering their heartfelt condolences.
It doesn't have to be "right" just honest - and honestly, how could they not be just devastated about those little boys.

I honestly cannot understand the dynamics in this case - probably because there's so much we don't know. But, I cannot imagine anything in the world that could justify this immense tragedy. God have mercy on their souls.

 

[Sal]

It does seem really odd at the lack of communication between these families. Perhaps there has been reaching out and words/acts of love and comfort that we aren't aware of. I hope so. But the not calling Sheri's fam for 2 days, the going thru the house and taking things, the throwing out of memorials are things that are just beyond the pale. But as the song by Billy Currington goes, "God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy!"

 

[rockman]

I don't recall anything about saran wrap but early in the case we heard (not sure if it was verified) that the killer put something on the boys and there was speculation that it was spray paint. Can't recall if it was a rumor or a news source. This is so sick. imo

I had not heard the reference to Saran Wrap previously, but did read on one of the boards that there was something on the bodies. I even heard that there was spray paint on Sheri's body or the sheets. This was all rumor - nothing confirmed.

Like most of you, I can imagine why the Saran Wrap. But, I'm going to stop with that comment since I don't want to go there.

 

[TallCoolOne]

I had not heard the reference to Saran Wrap previously, but did read on one of the boards that there was something on the bodies. I even heard that there was spray paint on Sheri's body or the sheets. This was all rumor - nothing confirmed.

Like most of you, I can imagine why the Saran Wrap. But, I'm going to stop with that comment since I don't want to go there.

Okay, so I admit, I'm thick. Concerning the possiblity of Saran Wrap, do you think he used the Saran Wrap to suffocate the boys? *shudders*

 

[rockman]

Okay, so I admit, I'm thick. Concerning the possiblity of Saran Wrap, do you think he used the Saran Wrap to suffocate the boys? *shudders*

No. What I had in mind was to keep them from getting in the way or running out of the house while he strangled Sheri. (I really didn't want to say that.)

 

[OrdinaryLife]

If Saran Wrap was used on anyone of these people, we are talking a planned thought. Not a random "I think since I'm carrying plastic wrap in my pocket, I'll use it" thing. If they were strangled and then wrap was still used, it still points to a person with a plan.

It makes me ill just to think about this as a possibility and we will not know until Wednesday the truth.

 

[Fairy1]

No. What I had in mind was to keep them from getting in the way or running out of the house while he strangled Sheri. (I really didn't want to say that.)

Oh my stars :sick: I never would have thought of this!

 

[Lovejac]

UGH! Saran wrap? I don't even want to think about that.

Wouldn't that have been in the responding officers report?? They mentioned that Sheri was found naked, wouldn't they mention something like saran wrap on the boys??

I have no idea. Maybe they didn't mention it because they wanted to keep some things out of the public eye?? Anyone??

 

[rockman]

UGH! Saran wrap? I don't even want to think about that.

Wouldn't that have been in the responding officers report?? They mentioned that Sheri was found naked, wouldn't they mention something like saran wrap on the boys??

I have no idea. Maybe they didn't mention it because they wanted to keep some things out of the public eye?? Anyone??

Yes I agree. It was probably kept out of the media, etc. I believe that when an officer writes a report, it is then reviewed by his/her superiors. At that point, I assume a superior officer can edit the report and remove some content so it will not be exposed to the public. I would imagine that withholding information about a crime is quite common. This information is then used to verify a confession, etc. Not that we will ever have a confession in this case...........

 

[rockman]

If Saran Wrap was used on anyone of these people, we are talking a planned thought. Not a random "I think since I'm carrying plastic wrap in my pocket, I'll use it" thing. If they were strangled and then wrap was still used, it still points to a person with a plan.

It makes me ill just to think about this as a possibility and we will not know until Wednesday the truth.

Yes - clearly shows premeditation. If true, I seriously doubt he just ran downstairs to the kitchen and grabbed it spur of the moment.

 

[DomCasual]

Because of what we've found out that transpired while Chris was at the hospital and LE taking DNA samples and even on the scratches on his arm, Chris knew immediately he was under suspicion. NOT in the usual MO of LE either, but based on what LE considered 'evidence,' ie the scratches, which MOST LIKELY were the result of one or more of the victims attempting to defend themself.

Having said that, his parents most likely knew he was STRONGLY suspected. Whether they believed him or not, I don't know. I did read the other day, on a news blog, that (could be rumor or considered unsubstantiated) that one of his brothers believes Chris is innocent, BECAUSE he told him so. His parents might be of the same mindset, imo. As long as he denies involvement in the murder, they're trusting he's speaking the truth and SODDI. IF he ever confesses to them, well, that may be the ONLY WAY they'll believe he's guilty of something so heinous.

I wouldn't doubt if this is the REASON in part, why his family stayed away from Sheri's. I truthfully can think of no other reason why. I mean this is a supposed man of the cloth. This is what they do. Provide comfort to those in need. Sheri and the boys belonged to BOTH families. At the least, they SHOULD have called them personally. The fact they didn't,..........well,..........speaks volumes.

and yes.............NOT offering a reward speaks volumes too. I can guess why Sheri's family didn't offer a reward,..............because they KNEW WHO LE suspected..........but Chris or his family not, well.............

Such a senseless, senseless crime.

JMHO
fran

"Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss."

I realize I'm probably preaching to the choir on this. But, whether they believed he was guilty - whether they believed he was justly or unjustly a suspect - there is honor. Sometimes, honor is inconvenient. Sometimes, it's painful. Sometimes, it's humbling. A family lost their daughter and grandsons. You would think decent human beings with an ounce of compassion would reach across the aisle, no matter how difficult it might be.

That's what the Hackings did, and I respect them for it. Watching them in the news, I could tell how horrible it was for them. But regardless of the incomprehensible reality of what their son had done, they knew that they weren't the only ones suffering. There was another high-profile murder here in Utah where the suspect's family started out that way; then, within days, they were implying that the victim sort of got what she deserved, because she was pushing her husband to get medical help for his depression/anxiety/anger, and his medicine made him unstable. He had gunned her down in a church parking lot, on her 30th birthday, in front of her mother. Very nice. It was the medicine. Right.

Some people can't find honor. I think it must be because they never had it, to begin with.

 

[Fairy1]

Yes - clearly shows premeditation. If true, I seriously doubt he just ran downstairs to the kitchen and grabbed it spur of the moment.

My personal feeling is that very little of what occurred that night was truly "spur of the moment." I think CC had it all planned, with the possible exception of the timing. He may have been forced into the final stage for some reason or another. However, I do believe he planned all of it - including the boys. And the TL clock was ticking based on what he told her about the "divorce."

Premeditation is, no doubt, a given. Thus the "threats" to the family. . How anyone can believe he's innocent - based just on what we know! - is beyond me.

 

[Lovejac]

"Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss."

I realize I'm probably preaching to the choir on this. But, whether they believed he was guilty - whether they believed he was justly or unjustly a suspect - there is honor. Sometimes, honor is inconvenient. Sometimes, it's painful. Sometimes, it's humbling. A family lost their daughter and grandsons. You would think decent human beings with an ounce of compassion would reach across the aisle, no matter how difficult it might be.

That's what the Hackings did, and I respect them for it. Watching them in the news, I could tell how horrible it was for them. But regardless of the incomprehensible reality of what their son had done, they knew that they weren't the only ones suffering. There was another high-profile murder here in Utah where the suspect's family started out that way; then, within days, they were implying that the victim sort of got what she deserved, because she was pushing her husband to get medical help for his depression/anxiety/anger, and his medicine made him unstable. He had gunned her down in a church parking lot, on her 30th birthday, in front of her mother. Very nice. It was the medicine. Right.

Some people can't find honor. I think it must be because they never had it, to begin with.

THAT, was absolutely beautifully written! Thank you!

 

[Lovejac]

Yes I agree. It was probably kept out of the media, etc. I believe that when an officer writes a report, it is then reviewed by his/her superiors. At that point, I assume a superior officer can edit the report and remove some content so it will not be exposed to the public. I would imagine that withholding information about a crime is quite common. This information is then used to verify a confession, etc. Not that we will ever have a confession in this case...........

Thank you for explaining that. I know zip about how LE works. Everything you said makes sense.

 

[Lovejac]

If Saran Wrap was used on anyone of these people, we are talking a planned thought. Not a random "I think since I'm carrying plastic wrap in my pocket, I'll use it" thing. If they were strangled and then wrap was still used, it still points to a person with a plan.

It makes me ill just to think about this as a possibility and we will not know until Wednesday the truth.

Whoa! What's Wednesday? I must have missed that.

 

[Fairy1]

"Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss."

I realize I'm probably preaching to the choir on this. But, whether they believed he was guilty - whether they believed he was justly or unjustly a suspect - there is honor. Sometimes, honor is inconvenient. Sometimes, it's painful. Sometimes, it's humbling. A family lost their daughter and grandsons. You would think decent human beings with an ounce of compassion would reach across the aisle, no matter how difficult it might be.

That's what the Hackings did, and I respect them for it. Watching them in the news, I could tell how horrible it was for them. But regardless of the incomprehensible reality of what their son had done, they knew that they weren't the only ones suffering. There was another high-profile murder here in Utah where the suspect's family started out that way; then, within days, they were implying that the victim sort of got what she deserved, because she was pushing her husband to get medical help for his depression/anxiety/anger, and his medicine made him unstable. He had gunned her down in a church parking lot, on her 30th birthday, in front of her mother. Very nice. It was the medicine. Right.

Some people can't find honor. I think it must be because they never had it, to begin with.

:Welcome-12-june: Agree - totally!!! Honor.....or lack thereof, explains so, so much in this case...

 

[pres101]

Whoa! What's Wednesday? I must have missed that.

Wednesday is the preliminary hearing where the has to put out enough evidence the the judge and the defense to warrant holding CC for trial. In most cases a lot more evidence also is made public. We just might learn a lot on Wednesday.