SIDEBAR #12- Arias/Alexander forum

[YESorNO]

Good luck with your journey, YesorNo! Thank you for sharing with us and being so real

I too do not believe in the DP. Just like everybody else, I have my own personal reasons. I recently was in DC and visited the Crime and Punishment Museum there (really interesting place!), and they had a room dedicated to the death penalty. They had some real equipment and some replica equipment for all of the various ways throughout time that people were put to death. I found myself frozen in the middle of that room and a feeling of total sadness washed over me pretty strongly. Death is sad. No matter how it comes, it's terribly sad. But in that moment I was also so very thankful for my humanity and compassion, and the ability to feel. It is a gift. One of the best gifts we have here on this earth. JA will never experience it like we do.

Many years ago when posed with my thoughts about the death penalty, I decided that God should be the only person to make that decision.
And I've felt that way most of my life. I will admit though in recent years, I have struggled with this. As I have lived and aged a few years, and witnessed savage, tragic, senseless acts and events, I have found myself wondering if maybe some do deserve to die. I have wished death upon evil murders. I have wanted them removed from this earth so we can all get back to peace, and sometimes just wanted it out of revenge.

But then something always brings me back to my core and I'm reminded why I made that choice years ago. Why I choose life over death. Standing in that room in the museum in DC, I didn't even need to consider it for a moment. I felt what I knew I believed in my heart. I'm thankful for moments of clarity like that.

I've never shared these thoughts on this board before, as I was a little scared as to how it would be received. This is humbly my own personal experience and belief only.

I absolutely respect others' beliefs on this topic, as they have every right to live their own journeys and decide what's right for them. I completely understand why people, especially families of victims, want the death penalty. I hope that the Alexander family gets the jury that can provide the punishment that they see fit.
I do very much like the idea that many have posed about "life row", where violent criminals are put away in to confined conditions for the remainder of their life, to prevent anybody else from ever being hurt. Even though I don't believe in the DP, doesn't mean that I am soft on crime. I have no problems whatsoever with people who murder, rape or hurt children being locked away for the rest of their days.

Thank you for listening :seeya:

BBM I feel the same way you do, but could never say it so eloquently. But for me, it's not even about God, it's just about being a person- a moral (I hope ) person. I do pray that the Alexander receives whatever justice they need to end their torment.
It's good to let it out sometime, however you feel. I think we all understand here- we're WSers and good people, after all. We don't all have to agree, just understand, and that's good. :seeya:

 

[MrsPC]

Has this been posted before today?...JM cracks me up with his comments to Wilmott:

http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/arias-april2-transcript-excerpt.pdf


http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/arias-april4-transcript-excerpt.pdf

 

[Sleuth5]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu3VTngm1F0"]George Michael - Faith (US Version) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Dr. Know?]

So there is Life without Parole and "Natural Life" ...which is the one which could be pardoned by the Governor?

Yes, that's what I just read.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

"Never heard of Peter and Gordoon"??? I have to say I was in LOVE with Peter as a teenager! He had that beautiful red hair (his sister was Jane Asher and engaged to Paul McCartney). I saw them in Cleveland in 1966 and again a few years ago at a reunion show. Gordon, unfortunately passed away soon after. Good memories!

OMG, now that I listened to the song I do remember it! But I was really, really young when their music was popular :blushing:.

 

[Dr. Know?]

George Michael - Faith (US Version) - YouTube

Shake it Sleuth5. ha ha thx

 

[mka237]

Guarantee this book will help you achieve your goal. It has worked for myself and many others I know, its amazing...

http://allencarr.com/

I have the pdf version of the Alan Carr book if anyone is interested -- pm me and I can send it to you -- I quit smoking on my own last year for seven months for the first time (I am 63), then life got in the way (Hurricane Sandy, etc.), and I am back smoking again -- going to read the Alan Carr book starting tonight -- would also like to start reading the quitting smoking threads on The Jury Room forum -- thanks to all who mentioned them.

Yes and No, Glad to hear about your decision -- I am thinking of going the oblate route -- seems it might be a good fit for me. Just thinking about it.

 

[thefragile7393]

I would even prefer their own educated honest opinions. I hate when they take on a "role"

That's why I love Mark Eiglarsh


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That's the only reason huh? ;-)
He is good...Joey Jackson is very fair, I rather like Vinnie too.

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[katiecoolady]

Yes, that's what I just read.

LOL...I'm laughing because I'm totally confused on this now....which is the Life sentence without parole? Is the "Natural life" option the one that could be pardoned by the Gov in 25 years? Is this the one she's going for? Ok now I'm officially confusing my own dang self. :scared:

 

[lisasalinger]

Sleuth has got me in the George Michael mood!!

[video=youtube;izGwDsrQ1eQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ[/video]

 

[thefragile7393]

Ok. Just saw the previews for the lifetime movie.I don't know..something bothers me about them doing a movie so quickly...makes me feel very bad for the families and friends of Travis ...sometimes the media makes me :banghead::banghead::banghead:
What does everyone else think??

Some lifetime movies based on true crimes can be very good but this one...something seems off about it.

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[Mrs G Norris]

Has this been posted before today?...JM cracks me up with his comments to Wilmott:

http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/arias-april2-transcript-excerpt.pdf


http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/arias-april4-transcript-excerpt.pdf

:tyou:

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Ok. Just saw the previews for the lifetime movie.I don't know..something bothers me about them doing a movie so quickly...makes me feel very bad for the families and friends of Travis ...sometimes the media makes me :banghead::banghead::banghead:
What does everyone else think??

I'm not sure if I'll watch it. I read that it's supposedly "not about what a monster Jodi is, but about their toxic and destructive relationship". I don't know if I can watch it if they spin it that way. If they sling any blame at the victim I'm not interested. Enough of that was done during the trial.

 

[atthelake]

Donna Summer --- Love to love you baby - YouTube

A good song to always have in case you do not have Balero handy

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[Gypsy Road]

I think you mentioned you carry around your CDs. I'm embarrased to say that I carry around my Casettes. :floorlaugh:

I have about 40 Maxcel UDXL-II 90 minute Casettes that I taped myself from the 70s of all my favorite songs that were playing at the time. I have some really great music on those casettes and I guard them with my life. LMAO

I literally played disc jockey and had a really nice tape recorder ready to "unpause" it just at the right moment when one of my favorate rock bands would come on the radio. I've got some truly classic music on those cassetes. And the funny thing is I even got some funny introductions from the real disc jockeys that said some things that are so funny to listen to.

Like on one part, the guy goes....."And here is a NEW song from Ted Nugent about a Cat". Of course, it is the classic "Cat Scratch Fever" :floorlaugh:

I also have a great concert Ticket Stub collection that is truly funny. I kept all my stubs from my concert days of the 70s and some are humerous. Like my stub that shows I paid a whole bank breaking $7.00 to see "ELO" Electric Light Orchestra. It still cracks me up that one.

The worst part is I now have to listen to them in my home and no longer the car because cars dont have cassetes anymore. I did transfer some over to CD, but most are still limited to my casset. Ive got a cassete player hooked up to my home stereo that I use all the time.

OMG! Don't be embarrassed at all!!! Those cassettes are really treasures and I TOTALLY get it!! Before CD's I taped stuff all the time - and just like you I had the pause button depressed so that when a great song came on I could catch it and record it! I used to have gobs and gobs of cassettes, but over time a lot of them got "eaten" by various tape decks and then the rest of them just got lost over time or left in Maryland at my mom's house when I moved to Florida in the '80's. I used to love taping King Crimson's Flower Hour (I think that's what it was called - live concerts and such).

I keep my concerts stubs too! But like all my old cassettes - my old stubs have disappeared over time, and now that I think about it - it makes me sad! Living in the Washington D.C. area as a kid and teen I saw A LOT of great concerts. There was always a band I wanted to see and all my allowance and money from my after school job went towards music - whether it was concerts, cassettes, albums, or guitar gear. I LIVED for the music. Still do for the most part, but with adulthood comes responsibilities lol:blushing:

:rockon:

P.S. And speaking of Ted Nugent and Cat Scratch Fever - I freakin' had Cat Scratch Fever a few weeks ago!!! NOT FUN!!!!! Very painful!

 

[Sleuth5]

Shake it Sleuth5. ha ha thx

Shake it, you say, Doctor?

[video=youtube;eq-yoorI7lo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq-yoorI7lo[/video]

 

[YESorNO]

What branch of the Catholic Church is that y/n? Beautiful vestments. God calls everyone in his own time, not ours. It takes a long time to discern where He wants us sometimes. For now, He's put me here taking care of Mom. And I know it's very difficult to find orders that will take us older women, but they are there. You sound like you've been pondering this for a long time. If He's calling ya, He'll get you. It took me 5 years of hearing Him call before I converted to the Catholic Church. I'd never go back.....Grace be upon you.

This website will explain it more than I can. I feel this branch is authentic for me (even tho' all are good):

http://www.holymyrrhbearers.org/orthodoxy/whatis.php

BBM You are doing His work now. It's hard to take care of older people- especially the ones you love.

 

[thefragile7393]

No kidding! And she's not even trained as a journalist really (meaning she didn't get her degree in it).

It's one thing to have a show a la say Nancy Grace that obviously displays a bias. Another (to me) altogether when my local newspaper reporter is supposed to be sitting in a courtroom (or any locale) reporting facts of a case and not only is making stuff up completely, skewing things with bias consistently but appears to be also assisting one side of the case to try their case in the media. While they are arguing for a mistrial, inaccurately, that the other side is trying the case in the media! It's mind boggling!

I see your point with NG and I agree totally...that is not how journalism is supposed to be per se outside of an arena like hers.

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[Sleuth5]

A good song to always have in case you do not have Balero handy

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[video=youtube;3-4J5j74VPw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4J5j74VPw[/video]

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Never heard of Peter and Gordon, but I definitely remember the Dave Clark Five. I love it! It takes me back to my childhood and a lot of great memories. I don't care what anyone says, growing up in the 60's, 70's rocked.

Peter and Gordon were in the middle of the British Invasion.

[video=youtube;H_aayewNyq8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_aayewNyq8&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

They were for teenyboppers much like

Chad & Jeremy - You've Got Your Troubles (HQ Stereo) - YouTube


Brings back many memory's of warm summer nights looking a the stars.

The space station will be passing over head at 10:00 tonight. Look towards the southwest at about forty five degrees and it will move towards the northeast. It takes about six minutes for it to pass.