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Nurmi with sex talk about candy.
Jodi tweets behind bars. No kidding.
Talking about bracelets and paintings for sale.
Beth Karas on the phone talking about defense strategy. Defense needs to focus on 1 juror to get her out of the death penalty. I person that JA needs to make gaga eyes at.

Looks like that is it. Nothing new here. Same ole carp.

BBM

It will be, of course, a middle-aged or older man (think Daryl Brewer, who defends her to this day) whom she believes will be the jury foreman she can charm.

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Practice makes perfect.
 
BBM

It will be, of course, a middle-aged or older man (think Daryl Brewer, who defends her to this day) whom she believes will be the jury foreman she can charm.

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Practice makes perfect.

And will she and her DT stoop to displaying her infamous "modeling portfolio" for the new jury ? :scared: :sick: :scared: :sick:
 
Of course she will take the stand and bring in the photos of herself again. This is her last HOOHOO-RAH so to speak!
 
Finally- this case needs to resolved. The bracelets good grief
You're convicted dear...
no freedom for you
 
BBM

It will be, of course, a middle-aged or older man (think Daryl Brewer, who defends her to this day) whom she believes will be the jury foreman she can charm.

jodi-arias-foreman.jpg%3Fw%3D236%26h%3D236%26crop%3D1


Practice makes perfect.

When the foreman gave his many, many interviews and I heard some of the reasons he gave for his decisions, I was outraged.

After months of "hating" Mr. Foreman, I have come to some conclusions about him. After much mulling about, and struggles with my conscience on this man and the reasons he gave, I have come to the conclusion that his reasons were very valid for him.

When he said that he thought that missy was mentally abused by Travis, you have to just think about the era or generation that he grew up in. In that generation (which is my generation), men just didn't talk to their girlfriends like Travis did in the texts (?) and there wasn't sexting. To him, all those names that Travis called her, was abuse and not something a "gentleman" would use. He felt she was "used and abused". When he grew up, "nice" people didn't act the way Travis acted with missy. I seriously think he thought that Travis was the instigator in all the "abnormal sex" that was going on and that men are the ones who do the pursuing in a relationship. You have to remember that when he grew up, women never called a man. It was unimaginable to him. I think it's important to understand the mindset of where someone is coming from.

He also stated that when he first looked at the defendant, that it was hard to put it into perspective for him, that a young woman could brutality murder someone. I do think that this impression of missy must have carried over throughout the trial for him. Was he charmed by her? I guess he may have been.

This I'm still struggling with. I still don't understand how Mr. Foreman could just look at someone and decide if they can murder someone or not. But, people are judged by their looks and what he saw was a pretty little "girl", with a demur "librarian" persona (lies, we know). (I think he actually called her a "girl" and not a woman. I guess, to him, she was just a "girl" compared to his age). And yes, she is not a Jeffrey Dalmar or a Manson, but she is a murderer- no matter how many people were murdered and no matter what she looks like.
I still struggle with Mr. Foreman, but I'm coming around- a little.

Still struggling with trying to understand how the jury, as a whole, didn't understand that if they were 'hung" that there would be a mistrial.
They seriously need to find jurors from missy's generation for a "jury of her peers", IMO.

Just my :twocents:.

Well anyway, God help the new jury with their decision, whatever it may be.
 
I'm not convinced that Travis was so innocent. Of course he didn't deserve what happened to him in any shape or form, but he wasn't perfect. I'm not convinced she introduced him to anal sex either, not that it matters. Shanna didn't call him a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, that's just how the State page framed it to make everyone freak out. Shanna explained it herself quite well there and on her page. She didn't run with Jodi's lies either, she researched the book thoroughly and I get the impression she knows more than she wants to say.

Respectfully, I think "context" is what is missing here. I understand your skepticism about TA being a sexual innocent and I don't believe TA was a total ingenue to sex. Shanna did refer to him as a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 on The View in the context that he was perhaps not the best boyfriend type for your best friend. ITA that Shanna did not buy into any CMJA lies nor did she put TA on a pedestal. She wrote of the flawed humanity and inhumanity and shined a bright light on the case far earlier than MSM. IMO she was able to reveal the true Characters of TA and CMJA.

IMO TA had a healthy dose of narcissism as well as some deep insecurities. He liked being the center of attention. He was also kind and compassionate. It does not surprise me that he was attracted to CMJA. He had a beautiful home, beautiful suits, nice car, trappings that are consistent with new found money. If you compare the girls he dated prior, during and after to CMJA, there was a huge difference. Unfortunately, he was blind to the true nature and psychopathy of CMJA. She appealed to his ego and unfortunately once she invaded his life, she was not letting go. JMV
 
When the foreman gave his many, many interviews and I heard some of the reasons he gave for his decisions, I was outraged.

After months of "hating" Mr. Foreman, I have come to some conclusions about him. After much mulling about, and struggles with my conscience on this man and the reasons he gave, I have come to the conclusion that his reasons were very valid for him.

When he said that he thought that missy was mentally abused by Travis, you have to just think about the era or generation that he grew up in. In that generation (which is my generation), men just didn't talk to their girlfriends like Travis did in the texts (?) and there wasn't sexting. To him, all those names that Travis called her, was abuse and not something a "gentleman" would use. He felt she was "used and abused". When he grew up, "nice" people didn't act the way Travis acted with missy. I seriously think he thought that Travis was the instigator in all the "abnormal sex" that was going on and that men are the ones who do the pursuing in a relationship. You have to remember that when he grew up, women never called a man. It was unimaginable to him. I think it's important to understand the mindset of where someone is coming from.

He also stated that when he first looked at the defendant, that it was hard to put it into perspective for him, that a young woman could brutality murder someone. I do think that this impression of missy must have carried over throughout the trial for him. Was he charmed by her? I guess he may have been.

This I'm still struggling with. I still don't understand how Mr. Foreman could just look at someone and decide if they can murder someone or not. But, people are judged by their looks and what he saw was a pretty little "girl", with a demur "librarian" persona (lies, we know). (I think he actually called her a "girl" and not a woman. I guess, to him, she was just a "girl" compared to his age). And yes, she is not a Jeffrey Dalmar or a Manson, but she is a murderer- no matter how many people were murdered and no matter what she looks like.
I still struggle with Mr. Foreman, but I'm coming around- a little.

Still struggling with trying to understand how the jury, as a whole, didn't understand that if they were 'hung" that there would be a mistrial.
They seriously need to find jurors from missy's generation for a "jury of her peers", IMO.

Just my :twocents:.

Well anyway, God help the new jury with their decision, whatever it may be.

Unwilling as he was to divorce his feelings and prejudices from the facts of the case -- its evidence and testimony -- he was simply not up to the task; that is, unless he saw his task as subverting justice.

Arias, Nurmi, Willmott, Samuels et al played him like a, well, like a 'LaViolette'.

<modsnip> WZ's careful public avoidance of the word "murder", and his constant downplaying of the convict's responsibility for her heinous, unspeakable, unconscionable torturous actions proven beyond a reasonable doubt indicate that he was a rather reluctant 'guilty' vote.

There is no question (in my mind) that he led the jury to its hanging.

Do I hate him for it?

No, he hasn't offended me.

But do I understand why a family, community, and society at large might loathe him for actions he took on behalf of the murderess due to his personal feelings for her?

You bet I do.
 
I'm not convinced that Travis was so innocent. Of course he didn't deserve what happened to him in any shape or form, but he wasn't perfect. I'm not convinced she introduced him to anal sex either, not that it matters. Shanna didn't call him a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, that's just how the State page framed it to make everyone freak out. Shanna explained it herself quite well there and on her page. She didn't run with Jodi's lies either, she researched the book thoroughly and I get the impression she knows more than she wants to say.

Mrs. Norris, I saw Shanna on The View. She said if Travis as her brother would be a great brother or something like that. But she said "if he was dating my best friend, he would be a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬". So yes, she called him that. Why? Because of the sex tape? That's all she had. Sorry but I disagree with you. I never said he was innocent. I did say Jodi introduced him to things.
 
When the foreman gave his many, many interviews and I heard some of the reasons he gave for his decisions, I was outraged.

After months of "hating" Mr. Foreman, I have come to some conclusions about him. After much mulling about, and struggles with my conscience on this man and the reasons he gave, I have come to the conclusion that his reasons were very valid for him.

When he said that he thought that missy was mentally abused by Travis, you have to just think about the era or generation that he grew up in. In that generation (which is my generation), men just didn't talk to their girlfriends like Travis did in the texts (?) and there wasn't sexting. To him, all those names that Travis called her, was abuse and not something a "gentleman" would use. He felt she was "used and abused". When he grew up, "nice" people didn't act the way Travis acted with missy. I seriously think he thought that Travis was the instigator in all the "abnormal sex" that was going on and that men are the ones who do the pursuing in a relationship. You have to remember that when he grew up, women never called a man. It was unimaginable to him. I think it's important to understand the mindset of where someone is coming from.

He also stated that when he first looked at the defendant, that it was hard to put it into perspective for him, that a young woman could brutality murder someone. I do think that this impression of missy must have carried over throughout the trial for him. Was he charmed by her? I guess he may have been.

This I'm still struggling with. I still don't understand how Mr. Foreman could just look at someone and decide if they can murder someone or not. But, people are judged by their looks and what he saw was a pretty little "girl", with a demur "librarian" persona (lies, we know). (I think he actually called her a "girl" and not a woman. I guess, to him, she was just a "girl" compared to his age). And yes, she is not a Jeffrey Dalmar or a Manson, but she is a murderer- no matter how many people were murdered and no matter what she looks like.
I still struggle with Mr. Foreman, but I'm coming around- a little.

Still struggling with trying to understand how the jury, as a whole, didn't understand that if they were 'hung" that there would be a mistrial.
They seriously need to find jurors from missy's generation for a "jury of her peers", IMO.

Just my :twocents:.

Well anyway, God help the new jury with their decision, whatever it may be.

That was my era too. I think the foreman is nuts. Absolutely nuts!
 
Mrs. Norris, I saw Shanna on The View. She said if Travis as her brother would be a great brother or something like that. But she said "if he was dating my best friend, he would be a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬". So yes, she called him that. Why? Because of the sex tape? That's all she had. Sorry but I disagree with you. I never said he was innocent. I did say Jodi introduced him to things.

Don't you think she said that because he was dating women like Lisa and proclaiming himself a virgin while having wild sex with Jodi on the side. I think that's why she said it. As in, if he had been dating her friend she would have thought he was a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 because of that behaviour. Two different perspectives of the same man. One from a family's perspective, one from the friend of a girlfriends perspective.
 
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Hi my YesorNo. Maybe she will be ready for prison by June! Just in time for all the heat with no a/c...sounds good.:loveyou:

They don't have A/C in prison? People could die from the heat- especially in Arizona, with all that heat.
Boy- I'm glad I'm not going to prison. I can't stand the heat at all.
 
Respectfully, I think "context" is what is missing here. I understand your skepticism about TA being a sexual innocent and I don't believe TA was a total ingenue to sex. Shanna did refer to him as a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 on The View in the context that he was perhaps not the best boyfriend type for your best friend. ITA that Shanna did not buy into any CMJA lies nor did she put TA on a pedestal. She wrote of the flawed humanity and inhumanity and shined a bright light on the case far earlier than MSM. IMO she was able to reveal the true Characters of TA and CMJA.

IMO TA had a healthy dose of narcissism as well as some deep insecurities. He liked being the center of attention. He was also kind and compassionate. It does not surprise me that he was attracted to CMJA. He had a beautiful home, beautiful suits, nice car, trappings that are consistent with new found money. If you compare the girls he dated prior, during and after to CMJA, there was a huge difference. Unfortunately, he was blind to the true nature and psychopathy of CMJA. She appealed to his ego and unfortunately once she invaded his life, she was not letting go. JMV

BBM Best boyfriend type? I think that when Travis first started dating missy- from what Skye and Chris said on the "sex kitten" show- he was very attentive to her and thought there was a possibility of being "exclusive", but it didn't turn out that way for him. It could be quite possible that Travis, after he decided she was not marriage material for him, told her that they would be just friends and not be anything more. She continued to see Travis as her "exclusive" in her warped mind, when in fact, she wasn't. Anything he did after that decision, in my mind- as he was a single man- was not "cheating" on missy and didn't make him a "🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬" (what a horrendous word to use on TV or anywhere, IMO). As to Travis' continuing to see her after, well, I think any man would take the free "candy" she was offering. (what do they call it now- "friends with benefits").
I didn't see The View show, as I don't get the big networks and can't comment on it fully- just "that word" disturbs me when describing Travis as a boyfriend. It's not as if we actually knew the relationship that he had with missy- it's mostly hearsay at this point, to me, and mostly speculation on the part of his friends and the liar, missy.
All my :moo: :seeya:
 
Unwilling as he was to divorce his feelings and prejudices from the facts of the case -- its evidence and testimony -- he was simply not up to the task; that is, unless he saw his task as subverting justice.

Arias, Nurmi, Willmott, Samuels et al played him like a, well, like a 'LaViolette'.

<modsnip> WZ's careful public avoidance of the word "murder", and his constant downplaying of the convict's responsibility for her heinous, unspeakable, unconscionable torturous actions proven beyond a reasonable doubt indicate that he was a rather reluctant 'guilty' vote.

There is no question (in my mind) that he led the jury to its hanging.

Do I hate him for it?

No, he hasn't offended me.

But do I understand why a family, community, and society at large might loathe him for actions he took on behalf of the murderess due to his personal feelings for her?

You bet I do.

What does this mean, if I may ask, with respect, of course and just for my FYI:
Vine-borne projectile fruit? :floorlaugh:

I don't think he "subverted justice". He had a decision to make, and it was his to make, no matter what it was, and he made it. He picked life in prison and not the death penalty. 3 other jurors also made the same decision, but because they didn't come forward (and were smarter to keep their decision to themselves), they didn't receive the flack that Mr. Foreman did.
And I don't think he actually knew how to make his decision- certainly not unwilling to make a decision. He made it in whatever way he knew how, much to my chagrin, and could not "compromise" and "fold" to the majority, from what he felt was right for him. I can only hope that, if I was on a jury, that I would not fold to the majority and would stick to what I felt was right in my mind and for me.
he led the jury to its hanging.- must be a very weak-minded jury to be able to do that.

(I can't even imagine how I am "defending" Mr. Foreman and his right to make his decision- he disturbed me very much months ago, but I try to put myself in others shoes- it's very hard to do sometimes. :scared:)

BTW- I respect your opinion and your feelings about Mr. Foreman. I do not try to sway people to my opinion because I think I'm correct: I just state my thoughts and I'm grateful for your thoughts on this subject. :seeya:
 
I just wanted to express my deep condolences to those here who got to know Princess. And her Family. So very sorry to hear of her passing. RIP Princess. You will be missed. (I just read of her passing)
 
Involuntary Muscle Contraction

Professor Higgins at the University of Sydney was giving a lecture on

'Involuntary Muscle Contraction' to the first year medical students.

This was not an exciting subject and the professor decided to lighten up the

mood.

He pointed to a young woman in the front row and asked, 'Do you know what

your arsehole is doing while you're having an orgasm?'

She replied, 'Probably golfing with his mates.’

It took 45 minutes to restore order in the classroom.
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Legal or Logical

A young Law student, having failed his Law exam, goes up to his crusty old

professor, who is renowned for his razor-sharp legal mind.

Student: "Sir, do you really understand everything about this subject?"

Professor: "Actually, I probably do. Otherwise I wouldn't be a professor, would

I?"

Student: "OK. So I’d like to ask you a question. If you can give me the correct

answer, I will accept my marks as it is. If you can't give me the correct

answer, however, you'll have to give me an "A".

Professor: "Hmmmm, alright. So what’s the question?"

Student: "What is legal but not logical, logical but not legal, and neither logical

nor legal?”

The professor wracks his famous brain, but just can't crack the answer. Finally

he gives up and changes the student's failing mark into an "A" as agreed, and

the student goes away, very pleased.

The professor continues to wrack his brain over the question all afternoon, but

still can’t get the answer. So finally he calls in a group of his brightest

students and tells them he has a really, really tough question to answer:

"What is legal but not logical, logical but not legal, and neither logical nor

legal?”

To the professor's surprise (and embarrassment), all the students immediately

raise their hands.

"All right" says the professor and asks his favourite student to answer.

It's quite easy, sir" says the student "You see, you are 75 years old and

married to a 30 year old woman, which is legal, but not logical. Your wife has

a 22 year old lover, which is logical, but not legal. And your wife's lover failed

his exam but you've just given him an "A", which is neither legal, nor logical."
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(got this one from the convent)

A NUN AT HOOTERS -

A nun, badly needing to use to the restroom, walked into a local Hooters.

The place was hopping with music and loud conversation -- and every once in

a while 'the lights would turn off.'

Each time the lights would go out, the place would erupt into cheers.

However, when the revelers saw the nun,the room went dead silent. She

walked up to the bartender, and asked, 'May I please use the restroom?

The bartender replied, 'OK, but I should warn you that there is a statue of a

naked man in there wearing only a fig leaf.'

'Well, in that case, I'll just look the other way,' said the nun.

So the bartender showed the nun to the back of the restaurant. After a few

minutes, she came back out, and the whole place stopped just long enough to

give the nun a loud round of applause.

She went to the bartender and said, 'Sir, I don't understand. Why did they

applaud for me just because I went to the restroom?'

'Well, now they know you're one of us,' said the bartender, 'Would you like a

drink?'

'No thank you, but, I still don't understand,' said the puzzled nun.

'You see,' laughed the bartender, 'every time someone lifts the fig leaf on that

statue, the lights go out.

Now -- how about that drink?”
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The knob

A woman visited a plastic surgeon who told her about a new procedure called

'The Knob,' where a small knob is placed at the top of the woman's head and

could be turned to tighten up her skin and produce the effect of a brand new

face-lift. Of course, the woman wanted 'The Knob.'

Over the course of the years, the woman tightened the knob, and the effects

were wonderful, the woman remained young looking and vibrant.

After fifteen years, the woman returned to the surgeon with two problems.

'All these years, everything has been working just fine. I've had to turn the

knob many times and I've always loved the results. But now I've developed

two annoying problems: First, I have these terrible bags under my eyes and

the knob won't get rid of them.'

The doctor looked at her closely and said, 'Those aren't bags, those are your

breasts.'

She said, 'Well, I guess there's no point in asking about the goatee.'
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What Religion Is Your Bra ??

A man walked into the ladies department

And shyly walked up to the woman behind the counter and said,

'I'd like to buy a bra for my wife.. .'

'What type of bra?' asked the clerk.

'Type?' inquired the man, 'There's more than one type?'

'Look around,' said the saleslady, as she showed a sea of bras in every shape,

size, color and material imaginable.

'Actually, even with all of this variety, there are really only four types of bras

to choose from .'

Relieved, the man asked about the types.

The saleslady replied:

'There is the Catholic bra,

The Salvation Army bra,

The Presbyterian bra,

And the Baptist bra.

Which one would you prefer?'

Now totally befuddled, the man asked about the differences between them.

The Saleslady responded, 'It is all really quite simple.'

The Catholic type supports the masses;

The Salvation Army type lifts the fallen;

The Presbyterian type keeps them staunch and upright;

The Baptist type makes mountains out of molehills....

Have you ever wondered why A, B, C, D, DD, E , F, G, and H are the letters

used to define bra sizes?

If you have wondered why, but couldn't figure out what the letters stood for,

it is about time you became informed!

{A} Almost 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.
{B} Barely there.
{C} Can't Complain.
{D} Dang!
{DD} Double dang!
{E} Enormous!
{F} Fake.
{G} Get a Reduction.
{H} Help me, I've fallen
and I can't get up!

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:seeya:
 
I had to google Shana Hogan's name to find out who she is. I'm glad I didn't buy or read her book since it would now be thrown in the trash on the curb along with anything else she has written.

IMO a crime victim's name and the word "🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬" (in reference to said victim) should never be used in the same sentence.
 
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