SIDEBAR #24- Arias/Alexander forum

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According to NIMH and the DSM, this is how BPD is diagnosed (and I think missy only has 2-possibly 3 - I *- of these symptoms- if any at all. Of course I am not an expert, but just giving an opinion from reading this- BPD is not a mental illness , but a personality disorder):

"Signs & Symptoms

According to the DSM, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR), to be diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, a person must show an enduring pattern of behavior that includes at least five of the following symptoms:

*Extreme reactions—including panic, depression, rage, or frantic actions—to abandonment, whether real or perceived

*A pattern of intense and stormy relationships with family, friends, and loved ones, often veering from extreme closeness and love (idealization) to extreme dislike or anger (devaluation)

Distorted and unstable self-image or sense of self, which can result in sudden changes in feelings, opinions, values, or plans and goals for the future (such as school or career choices)

Impulsive and often dangerous behaviors, such as spending sprees, unsafe sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, and binge eating

*Recurring suicidal behaviors or threats or self-harming behavior, such as cutting

Intense and highly changeable moods, with each episode lasting from a few hours to a few days

Chronic feelings of emptiness and/or boredom

Inappropriate, intense anger or problems controlling anger

Having stress-related paranoid thoughts or severe dissociative symptoms, such as feeling cut off from oneself, observing oneself from outside the body, or losing touch with reality.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/borderline-personality-disorder/index.shtml
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Now another view of BPD here:

"Specific Symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder

A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

*Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment

*A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation

Identity disturbance, such as a significant and persistent unstable self-image or sense of self

Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)

*Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior

Emotional instability due to significant reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)

Chronic feelings of emptiness

Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)

Transient, stress-related paranoid thoughts or severe dissociative symptoms

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/borderline-personality-disorder-symptoms/

An evaluation of BPD for missy"

"Does Jodi Arias Have Borderline Personality Disorder?

"So, according to the DSM IV criteria, Jodi Arias would come close to the borderline personality criterion IF we only consider her relationship with Alexander. But BPD is by definition a personality disorder. It generally starts in the teens and is seen over time with many people, in many situations and circumstances.

That is just not the case here "

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...di-arias-have-borderline-personality-disorder
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I looked at most of the "disorders" here:

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/

And have come to my amateur conclusion that missy may have "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" more than BPD:

"Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

*Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

*Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

*Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration

*Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

*Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

*Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

*Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes"

IMO, I think she shows 6 symtoms for NPD (those I have starred).

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symptoms/

Another view of NPD:

..."amoral/conscienceless--narcissists can't be counted on not to do something just because it's wrong, illegal, or will hurt someone, as long as they think that they can get away with it or that you can't stop them or punish them (amorality- amor·al adjective \(&#716ā-ˈmȯr-əl, (&#716a-, -ˈmär-\
: having or showing no concern about whether behavior is morally right or wrong: (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amoral) See chart which shows "amorality"- missy had a very high score- over 80+.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/traits.html

She scored high on "ego inflation"- see chart below:
"coming across as overly self-important, an inflated sense of self..."

http://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/january-february-2006-chinafornia/ego-inflation

Carl Jung on the Pitfall of Ego-Inflation:

"In its mild and most common form, ego-inflation shows up as holier-than-thou attitudes and the mentality that “My way is the only way.” Of course, this degree of ego-inflation is not usually madness, but simple ignorance and naïvete, but displayed as arrogance. By contrast, the severest form of ego-inflation is actual psychosis: a runaway messianic complex that convinces you that you are a “perfect” embodiment of something “special,” called upon to deliver a “unique” gift that was unavailable to humanity before your “miraculous” birth."

http://wayofwonder.blogspot.com/2011/12/carl-jung-on-pitfall-of-ego-inflation.html
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Or maybe she's just a Female Psychopath:

"A woman whose extreme fear of abandonment leads her to periodic outbursts of rage over real or imagined transgressions, flips between seeing her significant other as either completely perfect or totally evil, or who has to constantly be the center of attention certainly isn't who we think of when we think of the classic psychopath. But she may be just as incapable of true empathy, and just as manipulative and deceitful, as the callous, unemotional male...(Callous. Unemotional. Lacking empathy. Aggressive. Impulsive. Acting without any regard for the welfare of others.)."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-equation/201205/female-psychopaths

"Is Jodi Arias a Sociopath?

"Sociopath is the lay term for the psychiatric diagnosis called anti-social personality disorder. Below are the symptoms. With the understanding that I have not evaluated Jodi and that this is an opinion and not a diagnosis, let’s run through them and see if she qualifies:
• Failure to conform to societal norms:
• Pathological lying
• Manipulation, deception, and cunning
• Impulsiveness
• Irritability and aggressiveness
• Reckless disregard for safety of self or others
• Persistent irresponsibility:
• Lack of remorse or guilt:
• Before age 15 and continuing, a history of antisocial behavior
Jodi Arias, as you can see, fits the sociopath profile in many, many ways, except for the most important criteria. There is no past history. Based on this, unless there is much we do not know she does not technically meet the DSM IV criteria as a sociopath."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reading-between-the-headlines/201303/is-jodi-arias-sociopath

IMO, there's no previous history because no one's talking (from her past) and there's "much we do not know" about her life before Travis.
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This is DeMarte's explanation
("DeMarte discusses Jodi's unstable and intense interpersonal relationships, identity disturbance, suicidal behavior and ideation, affective instability, feelings of emptiness, and probably most significant to the case, "inappropriate intense anger...DeMarte testified that she does believe Jodi had suicidal thoughts spanning from 1995 and had feelings of emptiness. On the other hand DeMarte is also testifying that she believes Jodi's memory fog after killing Travis is a lie.)":

Expert Witness Janeen DeMarte on Jodi Arias: Personality Disorder & "Inappropriate Intense Anger" - YouTube
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Most of the scores of missy's other psych evaluations weren't spoken about at the trial (look at the dots and where they fall):
Narcissium @ 60+, amorality @ over 80+, Ego inflation @ 70+, and imperturbability @ 60. (imperturbability [uncountable] A state of calm, unruffled self-assurance; aplomb, composure.)

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/imperturbability].)

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I think JM will have to enforce the idea that missy was 27 at the time of the murder and she wasn't "young and immature" by any definition. I think he will find a way, IMO.

I see two that fit Jodi before age fifteen. Carl and the hammer, and DoggyBoy.

Wilmont and Nurmi will never be able to redeem themselves after Jodi, but that's what you get when you dance with the devil.

 

[YESorNO]

Can't say it any better than Kensie. Thanks for all your work here, Y/N ! It is much appreciated! :yesss: :loveyou:

Thank-you, Spellbound and Kensie.

This is not work to me- I like being here. It's like having, sort of, another "family" on the computer. :floorlaugh:

Friends

“It is my joy in life to find
At every turning of the road,
The strong arm of a comrade kind,
To help me onward with my load.

And since I have no gold to give,
And love alone must make amends,
My only prayer while I live,
God make me worthy of my friends.”
~ Frank D. Sherman


:blowkiss: to all of you . :seeya:

 

[Nore]

Hi all, been sort of busy lately. I miss all! I think missys' eligibility for the DP. far surpasses her chance for LWOP..She has done nothing worth mentioning with her life. I havent done a lot but at least what I've done so far has been for good. I dont know of anyone who has had such an empty life! (except other criminals). I dont see how they can drag this on again for months. Jodi, give it up already!:floorlaugh:
My car failed. I was ready to explode. I spen a fortune getting it repaired. I cannot buy a different car. I need one to get to Dr.s, pharmacy, shopping. I have copd, no good at walking any more. Manager wasn't going to give me a waiver! one must spend a certain amount on repairs to the EP, end of the car. There was a hanger listed. She called the repair shop to check what it was for and it counted! I was 5 bucks short!! I could have cried. I did get the waiver and my sticker.:banghead: In :banghead: two years I will either be dead or ready to quit driving.....this on top of a new washer~ almost a thou~I now want to pick up on Juans trial. Julie sure went fast! Thats the way they used to be.

Niner~ so glad to hear you are doing so well..dont overdo.:loveyou:

 

[rose222]

According to NIMH and the DSM, this is how BPD is diagnosed (and I think missy only has 2-possibly 3 - I *- of these symptoms- if any at all. Of course I am not an expert, but just giving an opinion from reading this- BPD is not a mental illness , but a personality disorder):

"Signs & Symptoms

According to the DSM, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR), to be diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, a person must show an enduring pattern of behavior that includes at least five of the following symptoms:

*Extreme reactions—including panic, depression, rage, or frantic actions—to abandonment, whether real or perceived

*A pattern of intense and stormy relationships with family, friends, and loved ones, often veering from extreme closeness and love (idealization) to extreme dislike or anger (devaluation)

Distorted and unstable self-image or sense of self, which can result in sudden changes in feelings, opinions, values, or plans and goals for the future (such as school or career choices)

Impulsive and often dangerous behaviors, such as spending sprees, unsafe sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, and binge eating

*Recurring suicidal behaviors or threats or self-harming behavior, such as cutting

Intense and highly changeable moods, with each episode lasting from a few hours to a few days

Chronic feelings of emptiness and/or boredom

Inappropriate, intense anger or problems controlling anger

Having stress-related paranoid thoughts or severe dissociative symptoms, such as feeling cut off from oneself, observing oneself from outside the body, or losing touch with reality.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/borderline-personality-disorder/index.shtml
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Now another view of BPD here:

"Specific Symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder

A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

*Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment

*A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation

Identity disturbance, such as a significant and persistent unstable self-image or sense of self

Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)

*Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior

Emotional instability due to significant reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)

Chronic feelings of emptiness

Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)

Transient, stress-related paranoid thoughts or severe dissociative symptoms

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/borderline-personality-disorder-symptoms/

An evaluation of BPD for missy"

"Does Jodi Arias Have Borderline Personality Disorder?

"So, according to the DSM IV criteria, Jodi Arias would come close to the borderline personality criterion IF we only consider her relationship with Alexander. But BPD is by definition a personality disorder. It generally starts in the teens and is seen over time with many people, in many situations and circumstances.

That is just not the case here "

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...di-arias-have-borderline-personality-disorder
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I looked at most of the "disorders" here:

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/

And have come to my amateur conclusion that missy may have "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" more than BPD:

"Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

*Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

*Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

*Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration

*Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

*Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

*Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

*Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes"

IMO, I think she shows 6 symtoms for NPD (those I have starred).

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symptoms/

Another view of NPD:

..."amoral/conscienceless--narcissists can't be counted on not to do something just because it's wrong, illegal, or will hurt someone, as long as they think that they can get away with it or that you can't stop them or punish them (amorality- amor·al adjective \(&#716ā-ˈmȯr-əl, (&#716a-, -ˈmär-\
: having or showing no concern about whether behavior is morally right or wrong: (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amoral) See chart which shows "amorality"- missy had a very high score- over 80+.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/traits.html

She scored high on "ego inflation"- see chart below:
"coming across as overly self-important, an inflated sense of self..."

http://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/january-february-2006-chinafornia/ego-inflation

Carl Jung on the Pitfall of Ego-Inflation:

"In its mild and most common form, ego-inflation shows up as holier-than-thou attitudes and the mentality that “My way is the only way.” Of course, this degree of ego-inflation is not usually madness, but simple ignorance and naïvete, but displayed as arrogance. By contrast, the severest form of ego-inflation is actual psychosis: a runaway messianic complex that convinces you that you are a “perfect” embodiment of something “special,” called upon to deliver a “unique” gift that was unavailable to humanity before your “miraculous” birth."

http://wayofwonder.blogspot.com/2011/12/carl-jung-on-pitfall-of-ego-inflation.html
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Or maybe she's just a Female Psychopath:

"A woman whose extreme fear of abandonment leads her to periodic outbursts of rage over real or imagined transgressions, flips between seeing her significant other as either completely perfect or totally evil, or who has to constantly be the center of attention certainly isn't who we think of when we think of the classic psychopath. But she may be just as incapable of true empathy, and just as manipulative and deceitful, as the callous, unemotional male...(Callous. Unemotional. Lacking empathy. Aggressive. Impulsive. Acting without any regard for the welfare of others.)."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-equation/201205/female-psychopaths

"Is Jodi Arias a Sociopath?

"Sociopath is the lay term for the psychiatric diagnosis called anti-social personality disorder. Below are the symptoms. With the understanding that I have not evaluated Jodi and that this is an opinion and not a diagnosis, let’s run through them and see if she qualifies:
• Failure to conform to societal norms:
• Pathological lying
• Manipulation, deception, and cunning
• Impulsiveness
• Irritability and aggressiveness
• Reckless disregard for safety of self or others
• Persistent irresponsibility:
• Lack of remorse or guilt:
• Before age 15 and continuing, a history of antisocial behavior
Jodi Arias, as you can see, fits the sociopath profile in many, many ways, except for the most important criteria. There is no past history. Based on this, unless there is much we do not know she does not technically meet the DSM IV criteria as a sociopath."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reading-between-the-headlines/201303/is-jodi-arias-sociopath

IMO, there's no previous history because no one's talking (from her past) and there's "much we do not know" about her life before Travis.
-------------------------------------------------------
This is DeMarte's explanation
("DeMarte discusses Jodi's unstable and intense interpersonal relationships, identity disturbance, suicidal behavior and ideation, affective instability, feelings of emptiness, and probably most significant to the case, "inappropriate intense anger...DeMarte testified that she does believe Jodi had suicidal thoughts spanning from 1995 and had feelings of emptiness. On the other hand DeMarte is also testifying that she believes Jodi's memory fog after killing Travis is a lie.)":

Expert Witness Janeen DeMarte on Jodi Arias: Personality Disorder & "Inappropriate Intense Anger" - YouTube
----------------
Most of the scores of missy's other psych evaluations weren't spoken about at the trial (look at the dots and where they fall):
Narcissium @ 60+, amorality @ over 80+, Ego inflation @ 70+, and imperturbability @ 60. (imperturbability [uncountable] A state of calm, unruffled self-assurance; aplomb, composure.)

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/imperturbability].)

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I think JM will have to enforce the idea that missy was 27 at the time of the murder and she wasn't "young and immature" by any definition. I think he will find a way, IMO.

'Immature' she is not. Cold, callous, inability to feel remorse etc., yes. Demarte gave the impression that JA is a people-pleaser. I wouldn't use that word. Yes, she might mirror others and go out of her way at times to do what they ask of her but her intentions are to manipulate, use and throw away/destroy. The woman is ruthless.

Psychopath? Probably. She murders a man most violently and then is caught with a knife and gun in her car post-murder. She definitely had another victim/victims in mind. I also cannot forget her 'throat-cutting' signs in court on more than one occasion. She's like a Bengal Tiger who having had a taste of human blood wants more and more. What do you call a woman who is able to almost decapitate a man and who seems ready (and eager!) to do it again? I don't know the technical name for a person like her but she is nuttier than a bowl of Pistachios. One look at her and you can tell! :scared::scared:

 

[rose222]

I also want to add that unlike Casey who had many friends and was able to (at least pretend) to act normally in most social situations JA was socially awkward. Based on what Travis' friends have said JA was unable to be 'normal'. She stood-out as a strange and weird woman long before the murder.

 

[Spellbound]

Hi all, been sort of busy lately. I miss all! I think missys' eligibility for the DP. far surpasses her chance for LWOP..She has done nothing worth mentioning with her life. I havent done a lot but at least what I've done so far has been for good. I dont know of anyone who has had such an empty life! (except other criminals). I dont see how they can drag this on again for months. Jodi, give it up already!:floorlaugh:
My car failed. I was ready to explode. I spen a fortune getting it repaired. I cannot buy a different car. I need one to get to Dr.s, pharmacy, shopping. I have copd, no good at walking any more. Manager wasn't going to give me a waiver! one must spend a certain amount on repairs to the EP, end of the car. There was a hanger listed. She called the repair shop to check what it was for and it counted! I was 5 bucks short!! I could have cried. I did get the waiver and my sticker.:banghead: In :banghead: two years I will either be dead or ready to quit driving.....this on top of a new washer~ almost a thou~I now want to pick up on Juans trial. Julie sure went fast! Thats the way they used to be.

Niner~ so glad to hear you are doing so well..dont overdo.:loveyou:

Gosh Nore...is all of Ohio so strict on the EP? Michigan had it for awhile, but dropped the requirement fairly quickly. I didn't know Ohio still requires it. So sorry it was so costly and stressful for you.

You better be here for more than two more years ... Don't even make me fret like that!

I also want to add that unlike Casey who had many friends and was able to (at least pretend) to act normally in most social situations JA was socially awkward. Based on what Travis' friends have said JA was unable to be 'normal'. She stood-out as a strange and weird woman long before the murder.

Good point, rose222. She also never seemed to keep her jobs very long, bet there were attitude problems at work, too.

Thank-you, Spellbound and Kensie.

This is not work to me- I like being here. It's like having, sort of, another "family" on the computer. :floorlaugh:

Friends

“It is my joy in life to find
At every turning of the road,
The strong arm of a comrade kind,
To help me onward with my load.

And since I have no gold to give,
And love alone must make amends,
My only prayer while I live,
God make me worthy of my friends.”
~ Frank D. Sherman


:blowkiss: to all of you . :seeya:

Aww Y/N, I know what you mean. It can be fun and challenging to find all that info. Having such a great place to share it makes it worth the effort. And where are better friends than here!?

Love the cartoon and poem. :loveyou:

 

[YESorNO]

Hi all, been sort of busy lately. I miss all! I think missys' eligibility for the DP. far surpasses her chance for LWOP..She has done nothing worth mentioning with her life. I havent done a lot but at least what I've done so far has been for good. I dont know of anyone who has had such an empty life! (except other criminals). I dont see how they can drag this on again for months. Jodi, give it up already!:floorlaugh:
My car failed. I was ready to explode. I spen a fortune getting it repaired. I cannot buy a different car. I need one to get to Dr.s, pharmacy, shopping. I have copd, no good at walking any more. Manager wasn't going to give me a waiver! one must spend a certain amount on repairs to the EP, end of the car. There was a hanger listed. She called the repair shop to check what it was for and it counted! I was 5 bucks short!! I could have cried. I did get the waiver and my sticker.:banghead: In :banghead: two years I will either be dead or ready to quit driving.....this on top of a new washer~ almost a thou~I now want to pick up on Juans trial. Julie sure went fast! Thats the way they used to be.

Niner~ so glad to hear you are doing so well..dont overdo.:loveyou:

Better to be quit driving in 2 years than dead (and you must live forever, gramma) :floorlaugh:

 

[YESorNO]

'Immature' she is not. Cold, callous, inability to feel remorse etc., yes. Demarte gave the impression that JA is a people-pleaser. I wouldn't use that word. Yes, she might mirror others and go out of her way at times to do what they ask of her but her intentions are to manipulate, use and throw away/destroy. The woman is ruthless.

Psychopath? Probably. She murders a man most violently and then is caught with a knife and gun in her car post-murder. She definitely had another victim/victims in mind. I also cannot forget her 'throat-cutting' signs in court on more than one occasion. She's like a Bengal Tiger who having had a taste of human blood wants more and more. What do you call a woman who is able to almost decapitate a man and who seems ready (and eager!) to do it again? I don't know the technical name for a person like her but she is nuttier than a bowl of Pistachios. One look at her and you can tell! :scared::scared:

BBM EVIL. (a Bad Seed)

What do you think? Cut throat motion? Looks to me like she's wiping her neck- maybe tears- this is right after Samantha just finished her victim impact statement and the jurors were filing out:

SHOCKING JODI ARIAS MAKES CUT THROAT HAND SIGN TO JURY - YouTube

How about this one?

Jodi Arias Cut Throat Motion or Scratch? - YouTube

 

[YESorNO]

If anyone has been to Cape Cod or New England in general, they will remember the lobster rolls and/or the hot dog rolls that are split on the top.

Well, the King Arthur Flour Company that I subscribe to for emails, has sent me a wonderful email this AM on how to make those buns with their unique pan.

The pan is a little expensive, IMO, but the rolls bring back memories- especially the delicious lobster rolls from Cape Cod.
They even have a cake roll made with this pan- looks good!

Take a look at the recipe and the pan:


http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog...1&spJobID=442366004&spReportId=NDQyMzY2MDA0S0

Don't forget the New England clam chowder :floorlaugh:

I'm all hungry now. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Chelly]

If anyone has been to Cape Cod or New England in general, they will remember the lobster rolls and/or the hot dog rolls that are split on the top.

Well, the King Arthur Flour Company that I subscribe to for emails, has sent me a wonderful email this AM on how to make those buns with their unique pan.

The pan is a little expensive, IMO, but the rolls bring back memories- especially the delicious lobster rolls from Cape Cod.
They even have a cake roll made with this pan- looks good!

Take a look at the recipe and the pan:


http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog...1&spJobID=442366004&spReportId=NDQyMzY2MDA0S0

Don't forget the New England clam chowder :floorlaugh:

I'm all hungry now. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Waaaaaa.....Lived in MA for 62 years and spent many summers in Cape Cod and on the Maine coast. Haven't had a decent lobster in ages. And, I would kill for Steamers, broth and drawn butter!

 

[daisymae]

Waaaaaa.....Lived in MA for 62 years and spent many summers in Cape Cod and on the Maine coast. Haven't had a decent lobster in ages. And, I would kill for Steamers, broth and drawn butter!

Did you ever go to Peak's Island in Maine? My mom's family was from there and owned almost everything many years ago!

 

[Niner]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Like this!! I "was" 5' 3 3/4" - Before my hip replacement I was 5' 3" - lost 3/4" somewhere!!?? Anyway - after surgery I am now 5' 3 1/2" on the hip replacement side and 5' 3" on the left... so how tall am I??? :scared: :floorlaugh: I guess I would be considered still short!

Loved the "Online Friends" pix you posted too! I saved that one!

Hi everyone! :seeya:

 

[YESorNO]

I don't know if you all would remember that I was going to find out more about missy's :jail: followers (maybe some 2 months ago).

Well, I did a lot of research on who they are and what they believe, put the info on my Wordpad, and then decided to delete all of it. :facepalm:

I just had to know what their "story'" was (you all know I'm nosy :facepalm, but after I found out, it wasn't really important anymore to me.

I did find it was, sort of, "phone tag"- one person would speak and the others would follow- sometimes mixing/changing things. :scared: It's obvious that they believe the :liar:.. and some, because they themselves were abused, commiserate with missy :jail: .:aktion1:

When I was on The Trial Diaries website today, guess who was making comments again? None other than Mr. Barwood (alias- geebee2- you remember him, the guy from England- he was talking to Vinnie in HLN one evening) trying to stir the pot (he's like a broken record :violin: and no one wants to listen to him as he tries to come to missy's :jail:rescue :bud. :floorlaugh:

http://thetrialdiaries.com/2014/05/...t-cameras-yet-still-no-answers-pics-included/

Anyway, I thought I deleted everything, but I did find something left over from my research, this AM on my documents. I know after I researched the followers, I needed to find "something"- some "syndrome"??? that these misguided people had to explain why they see things so differently than what we see- something so obvious to us.

Well, I found this- The Dunning-Kruger Effect. It beautifully explains the utter confidence of those who, with no expertise, remain stubborn in their views regardless of overwhelming evidence. It makes you want to shake them by the collar and scream about how stupid they are.
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"The Dunning-Kruger Effect, named after David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University, occurs where people fail to adequately assess their level of competence — or specifically, their incompetence — at a task and thus consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. This lack of awareness is attributed to their lower level of competence robbing them of the ability to critically analyse their performance, leading to a significant overestimate of themselves. Put more crudely, they're too stupid to realize they're stupid.

The inverse also applies: competent people tend to underestimate their ability compared to others; this is known as impostor syndrome." (this my younger son has)

"- people who don't know enough also don't know enough to realise that they don't know enough .." :floorlaugh:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

And this:

"The skills needed to produce logically sound arguments, for instance, are the same skills that are necessary to recognize when a logically sound argument has been made. Thus, if people lack the skills to produce correct answers, they are also cursed with an inability to know when their answers, or anyone else's, are right or wrong. They cannot recognize their responses as mistaken, or other people's responses as superior to their own."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-confidence-the-classic-dunning-kruger-effect

What do you all think? Right? Wrong? :floorlaugh:
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"He who knows best, knows how little he knows."
~Thomas Jefferson

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"I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know." :floorlaugh:
—attributed to Socrates, from Plato, Apology

 

[Hope4More]

YesorNo....thanks for links. Geebee....again. Sigh. But I'm glad I read his extract of the blackmail tape. Hadn't caught it before, but in addition to pressuring T for a itinerary she rushes to tell him that SHE has plans for travel too......to Utah.

She was either trying to bait him about Burns (and/or) was already starting to plan T's murder (establishing Burns "alibi").

 

[janx]

Live stream of the fire:
http://www.kpho.com/category/224303/kphocom-local-live-streaming

I loved Oak Creek Canyon when I visited the area a few years ago. The switchbacks going down into the canyon were fun, especially with a manual transmission--very tight! So very sorry this has happened. I have friends in Sedona who have been posting updates on FB.

 

[janx]

YesorNo....thanks for links. Geebee....again. Sigh. But I'm glad I read his extract of the blackmail tape. Hadn't caught it before, but in addition to pressuring T for a itinerary she rushes to tell him that SHE has plans for travel too......to Utah.

She was either trying to bait him about Burns (and/or) was already starting to plan It's murder (establishing Burns "alibi").

How many times did she try to pressure him to come up there? It seems like three or more times...not counting the time she did via voicemail after she had murdered him.

I could be wrong, but the Crater Lake/Coast/Shakespeare itinerary seemed to be very important to her, and he didn't seem to be interested at all. I don't think he ever planned on such a trip. Once she heard he was going to Washington State, she may have been delusionally optimistic since that is the general region in which she lived.

Has anyone else given this any thought?

 

[YESorNO]

Waaaaaa.....Lived in MA for 62 years and spent many summers in Cape Cod and on the Maine coast. Haven't had a decent lobster in ages. And, I would kill for Steamers, broth and drawn butter!

Aw- poor thing. :therethere:

Here you go Chelly- some virtual steamers for you:

:seeya:

 

[YESorNO]

Did you ever go to Peak's Island in Maine? My mom's family was from there and owned almost everything many years ago!

Looks beautiful, daisy!

 

[daisymae]

Looks beautiful, daisy!

Thanks, yoyo! My great grandfather owned many of the things there such as the theater, etc. Mom and all her cousins, aunts, uncles, spent their summers there. Most lived in Portland but mom lived in Boston. I've never been but heard many stories of her childhood there! Thanks for the photos. :loveyou:

 

[YESorNO]

Like this!! I "was" 5' 3 3/4" - Before my hip replacement I was 5' 3" - lost 3/4" somewhere!!?? Anyway - after surgery I am now 5' 3 1/2" on the hip replacement side and 5' 3" on the left... so how tall am I??? :scared: :floorlaugh: I guess I would be considered still short!

Loved the "Online Friends" pix you posted too! I saved that one!

Hi everyone! :seeya:

Now let's see: 5'3" = 63"; 5'3 1/2"= 63.5". Add them together: 63+63.5=126.5.
Divide that by 2= 63.25= 5"3 1/4". tadaaah!!! You are officially 5'3 1/4". OK? OK. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: