SIDEBAR #26- Arias/Alexander forum

[janx]

Oh my goodness. What an coincidence re Aiken & Hulsey. Someone better tell Sheriff Joe... Wondering if the State of Arizona will have to foot Mr. Aiken's bill as well? I am thinking it's full speed ahead for September 8. Stabby isn't looking well in her new pictures.

Oh, yes. Aiken = $$$$$$$

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Good morning DGC! I hope you've heard that the Judge has denied the motion to get Nurmi off the case. Hopefully things will move quickly from here on!

:tyou: rose, for this update !

I'm late getting here today and have not caught up.

I'm glad to hear that Nurmi is still on the case because there should be NO more delays ...

This has gone on far tooooooooooooooooo longgggggggggg !

:moo:

 

[salberg7]

I think Juan will heed his boss' advice. Stabby will hang herself. She will show her true colors, she won't be able to suppress her narcissistic personality & arrogance. A little reverse psychology may work well for Mr Martinez now. Wouldn't that be clever of Juan, to just give CMJA enough rope to do the deed to herself. The State wants this over.

 

[janx]

Diaz says Martinez can't "take advantage of the defendant". Oh please. I just lost my lunch.

:floorlaugh:

 

[janx]

As I said yesterday,I think Aiken will hurt her, not help her. And JM can make mincemeat of her when she tries to examine the Hughes. So bring them on.

Would it hurt her because...she has never been in prison? :thinking:

 

[Love Never Fails]

Would it hurt her because...she has never been in prison? :thinking:

Nah. She knows all too well how to use a knife. Has those big hands. And she already said she would kill again if attacked or abused. Aiken can't make the jury fearful FOR her. As KCL said, she reminds me of Ted Bundy. She likely smiled the whole time she was butchering Travis. I'm not convinced this was her first kill, nor her last. JM can show the jury her videos after the first jury found her guilty. She will move about prison fine and make friends and sing. Oh it turns my stomach but sociopaths, psychopaths, whatever you want to call them, can do that very well.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Nurmi and Arias detest one another and it's been out in the open for a long time. She wanted to create a vacancy where he sits at table, so she could fill it with Fredrica Strumpf. Apart from playing checkers, is she superstitious? What harm could a sullen and stoic Nurmi, seated for the duration, possibly do? He's not going to whisper anything in her ear! Maybe she thinks his mere presence pulls in a black cloud over her mini-trial. This is the attorney she once entreated the court be retained to defend her, the only one who knew all the ins and outs. Her objection to him really does not make sense or pass the sneer test. She is her own chief counsel now.

As for Nurmi, he has been sorely disrespected, his legal advice rejected and flouted. His own practice is languishing. I suspect there is another reason to look for the exits. No attorney wants to serve in a capital case where the verdict is the ultimate penalty. That becomes part of the record prospective clients look at. He sees the defendant rocking toward unprofessional prat falls and epic failure. He wants no part of it. He has had no cooperation, knows Arias hates him and that she has written screeds to that point. He is here on sufferance.

Hi Tuba,
But isn't it great news that Nurmi has to stay? I sure would like to see all this first hand. I don't feel sorry for him. Or Baez or Cheney,or people who represent someone KNOWING they are guilty. Not me.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I have so many opinions on the DP as it is NOT delivered and the impact on families, victims, taxpayers, the murderers. The reality of it is that the worst of the worst have FAR more chance of being released and able to execute their reign of terror in to society than any other class of murderers...all paid for by taxpayers! There are so many dirty little secrets about what really goes on that people don't want to look at 20 years later when the hoohah has settled down around the trial itself. Jodi will love every minute of it--the websites she will get, the money donated to her considering HER the victim, the correspondence, she will likely get married on DR . Scott Peterson looks pretty normal in San Quentin, tan, lean like he just walked off a golf course and he lives in HELL. Sociopaths are a different breed of human and they actually adapt quite well. It's something I really hope never to actually understand but steer as clear from as possible. And yes Jodi imo is far worse than Scott..she enjoys torturing Travis' remaining loved ones. She is probably reliving her violence through that...she's more akin to Ted Bundy than Scott. She's that vicious but looks pretty normal on the outside. Terrifying.

Well hi there. You got it right! She does remind me of Bundy. She is scary.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I haven't followed the Hulsey trial. Was he a cop who killed a cop? Really?
If so what could Mr, Aiken do for him? I heard cops don't do well in prison. Wouldn't he be better ofF on DR?
Somebody please tell me about this man. Why would LE kill another LE officer?

 

[janx]

Thanks for providing the correct spelling of prison-man's name. It might be a good idea for us to make a list of the intended Arias witnesses. So far, it isn't too long but it would be handy to have so we can speculate on what each witness might indicate.

So far we have only Aiken the prison dude and the Hughes. I can't imagine what help JA hopes to get from the latter. And what about witnesses for the state? Dr. Horn, obviously...wasn't Dr. Hayes mentioned?

 

[Love Never Fails]

I'm sorry folks. I got Hulsey mixed up with Richard Chrisman. I haven't followed those trials. No need for answers. I will just stick with the Arias trial and pray we don't see this violence again for a long time.

 

[Quiet Time]

All this playing with the court system JA is doing only continues to show us tidbits of what Travis had to deal with when it came to her.

Exactly what I was thinking. Game player all the way...imo

 

[Tuba]

I'm not doing well compiling the defense witness list. Like Juan Martinez, I object that Arias did not provide the witness list due parties & court. There are Chris & S. Hughes, James Aiken. Many she failed to name in open court & who must phone in by August 22. J.W. should have directed Arias to make a list & have it ready August 13. I want to be real petty & complain about her demand for Det. Flores' "personal file". Does she want to look inside his wallet too? How about "my case file" instead. I think she comes over like a suspicious snoop.

 

[Augustgurl]

Anyone read this article that rose posted? Interesting.

I was wondering if missy:jail: will have the same conditions in prison that this guy does (except, of course there won't be men yelling and such- like
in this prison). Would this be conditions only if she gets DP, I wonder, while she waits for death by injection?

Some excerpts that sound good: :facepalm:

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"The following essay is by William Blake, who has been held in solitary confinement for nearly 26 years. Currently he is in administrative segregation at Elmira Correctional Facility, a maximum security facility located in south central New York State. In 1987, Blake, then 23 and in county court on a drug charge, murdered one deputy and wounded another in a failed escape attempt. He was sentenced to 77 years to life....
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'...Prisoners call it The Box. Prison authorities have euphemistically dubbed it the Special Housing Unit, or SHU (pronounced “shoe”) for short. In society it is known as solitary confinement. It is 23-hour a day lockdown in a cell smaller than some closets I’ve seen, with one hour allotted to “recreation” consisting of placement in a concrete enclosed yard by oneself or, in some prisons, a cage made of steel bars. There is nothing in a SHU yard but air: no TV, no balls to bounce, no games to play, no other inmates, nothing. There is very little allowed in a SHU cell, also. Three sets of plain white underwear, one pair of green pants, one green short-sleeved button-up shirt, one green sweatshirt, ten books or magazines total, twenty pictures of the people you love, writing supplies, a bar of soap, toothbrush and toothpaste, one deodorant stick but no shampoo, and that’s about it. No clothes of your own, only prison-made. No food from commissary or packages, only three unappetizing meals a day handed to you through a narrow slot in your cell door. No phone calls, no TV, no luxury items at all. You get a set of cheap headphones to use, and you can pick between the two or three (depending on which prison you’re in) jacks in the cell wall to plug into. You can listen to a TV station in one jack, and use your imagination while trying to figure out what is going on when the music indicates drama but the dialogue doesn’t suffice to tell you anything. Or you can listen to some music, but you’re out of luck if you’re a rock-n-roll fan and find only rap is playing....

...I have lived for months where the first thing I became aware of upon waking in the morning is the malodorous funk of human feces, tinged with the acrid stench of days-old urine, where I eat my breakfast, lunch, and dinner with that same stink assaulting my senses, and where the last thought I had before falling into unconscious sleep was: “Damn, it smells like sh-t in here.”...

Had I known in 1987 that I would spend the next quarter-century in solitary confinement, I would have certainly killed myself. If I took a month to die and spent every minute of it in severe pain, it seems to me that on a balance that fate would still be far easier to endure than the last twenty-five years have been. If I try to imagine what kind of death, even a slow one, would be worse than twenty-five years in the box—and I have tried to imagine it—I can come up with nothing. Set me afire, pummel and bludgeon me, cut me to bits, stab me, shoot me, do what you will in the worst of ways, but none of it could come close to making me feel things as cumulatively horrifying as what I’ve experienced through my years in solitary. Dying couldn’t take but a short time if you or the State were to kill me; in SHU I have died a thousand internal deaths. The sum of my quarter-century’s worth of suffering has been that bad....

I have served a sentence worse than death."
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Thank you for posting this YorN. I have NO sympathy for this guy. How does he think the family members feel every single solitary day that they can't see their dad, brother, son, uncle, friend etc. don't these people who kill people get it? You FORFEIT your life when you CHOOSE to take another's. How does this guy in the box think his victims son or daughter feels when their dad isn't there at their wedding, graduation, birth of children or just a simple family dinner? He has NO IDEA of the screaming or pounding that these victims hear in their heads as they cry in anguish over lost opportunities with someone they never got to know further. What about the victims torment?? I'm sorry but these whiners do NOTHING to garner sympathy or empathy from me. Nada, zip zero. So you can't watch tv or see grass grow or enjoy the so called things we on the outside may call " boring". Well pal, it kinda looks like your VICTIM can't either. ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, THAT CHOICE WAS MADE FOR HIM BY YOU!!
suck it up. Do your time and go away.

 

[salberg7]

I certainly hope Juan shows the jury her post conviction interviews. Who does that twenty minutes after they are convicted of first degree murder? Who demands makeup, clothes to cover her stripes and hand picks - in advance - her interviewers? I loved the Troy Hayden interview, where she said she wouldn't have chosen him if she had known what a "hater" he was.

 

[rose222]

Nah. She knows all too well how to use a knife. Has those big hands. And she already said she would kill again if attacked or abused. Aiken can't make the jury fearful FOR her. As KCL said, she reminds me of Ted Bundy. She likely smiled the whole time she was butchering Travis. I'm not convinced this was her first kill, nor her last. JM can show the jury her videos after the first jury found her guilty. She will move about prison fine and make friends and sing. Oh it turns my stomach but sociopaths, psychopaths, whatever you want to call them, can do that very well.

I will go so far as to say that she is possibly worse than Ted Bundy. Bundy, at times, was honest about his evilness and never portrayed himself as a victim. In fact, he even made it clear that his family should not be blamed for his actions.

I too believe that Arias has killed before. Perhaps not a human being but animals. (poor Doggy Boy). And all her 'cut-throat' signs during trial only goes to show she didn't experience any trauma while murdering Travis. She loved it and will do it again if given the chance.

 

[AZlawyer]

I'm not doing well compiling the defense witness list. Like Juan Martinez, I object that Arias did not provide the witness list due parties & court. There are Chris & S. Hughes, James Aiken. Many she failed to name in open court & who must phone in by August 22. J.W. should have directed Arias to make a list & have it ready August 13. I want to be real petty & complain about her demand for Det. Flores' "personal file". Does she want to look inside his wallet too? How about "my case file" instead. I think she comes over like a suspicious snoop.

I just figured out what the "personal file" request is. The tweeters said "personal file," but I bet it was "personnel file." Debra Milke was recently let off death row because it turned out that a detective who testified against her had committed misconduct in another case that was reflected in his personnel file. And Jodi's probably been spending hours researching death penalty case law now that she's representing herself.

 

[AZlawyer]

Jury selection starts sep.8 with all the delays going on how do they go about sending notifications to potential jurors when there not sure themselves what new game she has going? I understand how it usually works. Thanks

They will send out enough notices to have enough people there on Sept. 8 (probably more than a normal day) just in case. When you get a notice in Maricopa County, you call in the night before, and if they have too many people due to changes in trial schedules you get a recorded message saying "never mind."

 

[AZlawyer]

The way I understand this new sentencing hearing is that there will be a 2 week period of bringing the new jury up to speed on the facts in evidence. How does that work? Will witnesses be recalled? This is not a new trial for the guilt phase, so what is the procedure?

Unless someone gets the bright idea of using portions of the high-quality video from the media coverage and everyone agrees to it, then yes, witnesses will be recalled. Not all the facts are important to the penalty phase, so not everything will be repeated, but the jury does get to hear the "circumstances of the offense."

 

[AZlawyer]

I think you could get 12 jurors to agree to LWOP easier than the Death Penalty. That would assure that JSS would not give LWP. This would be a much better choice in my opinion. This may not be ideal but it would be better than what she might receive. Also it would save the poor taxpayers from AZ a lot of money.
None of the options will bring TA back. I just believe sometimes less is more in the end for all involved.

The jury does not get to decide between LWOP and LWP. They get to decide "L" or "D" and the judge gets to decide the parole part.

Jodi's case is old enough that the judge has the option of sentencing her to LWP (no longer an option in AZ). However, there is no procedure in place to allow these defendants from the older cases to actually apply for parole. IMO, eventually some defendant will sue to require the system to be reinstated for those people sentenced to LWP. And they will probably win.