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I keep wondering why there were no kidnapping charges, as she obviously held him against his will!

Initially I did as well.

But it seems much more difficult to prove kidnapping if you're making the case that he engaged in consensual behaviors for several hours, didn't see it coming, that she surprised him and murdered him rapidly; i.e., less than two minutes.
 
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Vivian Vance! I used to work with a woman with this name many years ago! In a pharmacy in socal! Is this you?

Sadly, no, I am not your Vivian Vance - I came up with my name to pay tribute to the lady who played Ethel Mertz.... though now I'm more intrigued by your former co-worker! Did people ask her if she was that Vivian Vance? I think it's such a great name, kind of elegant.

I'm thinking of getting this for my own Mr. Mertz for Xmas:

[video=youtube;_usO41JNt0k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_usO41JNt0k[/video]
 
My take on JA's weekend consists of her practising the "art" of faking remorse. Faking a heartfelt apology to the Alexander Family. Great part is she now has no contact with other inmates for advice :floorlaugh:

I love it! I love it!

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It worked for Betty Broderick. I mean she's not on death row after a double homicide, cruelly taking away the children's father. But maybe there was no death penalty available there?

The prosecutor chose not to pursue the DP for Brodeick because her four children would be testifying in the trial and she did not want them to have any part in putting their mother on death row.
 
HLN just showed a clip of Nurmi in the parking lot on his way to visit the murderer. His neon green shirt looks just like the one Donnavon wore in court????? Do they share? lol
Are we certain he was visiting Arias ? He might have another client in Estrella ...
 
Yes. He was actually showing the jurors what real PTSD looks like on a living, breathing human as opposed to the Jodi Arias/ Dr. Samuels "fognesia" version. Very powerful indeed.

The reason Steven's testimony was Sooooo Gripping-- was the fact that he was speaking for himself whereas Samantha was speaking "for the family." You can't be quite as personal when you are speaking for others as well as yourself.

I watched his testimony with my hand over my mouth and tears running down my cheeks. It took me straight back to the PTSD memory I have worked with since 1994 -the day they told me my son was dead. I had no idea you could have such a powerful physical reaction upon hearing bad news.

Immediately I screamed and was hit by a powerful pain in my chest, then in my stomach and I fell to the ground, retching while still trying to scream. This took place in slow motion on the driveway in front of my mother's house. I can tell you the temperature of the cement, the exact color of the sky. I couldn't hear, I couldn't breathe. I was in agony.

For three months I was a zombie. I didn't eat or care for my other children. My sister took me in and relatives took the kids. I slept, cried, ate, cried, walked, cried, showered and cried. That was my day. I drove recklessly, lost track of time constantly and spent hours staring at the ocean wondering if I could go on living.

One day my sister called the police because I didn't come home until 3:00 am. She told the officer something was wrong with me ever since my son died and nothing seemed to help. Not pills, not doctors, nothing because I was just going through the motions of living. The only thing that brought me back was my other children needed a mother.

Steven only told you the tip of the iceberg. I am sure he lost interest in sex and smoked/drank too much like I did. I kept hurting myself bumping into things because I was not really there--I was in some kind of a dissociated trance. In my mind I said, " The worst possible thing has happened and I am now afraid of nothing. What can anyone say or do that could hurt me? Nothing! I'm invincible!"

There is a way out of PTSD after such a powerful tragedy and I am sure Steven is on the path to recovery.

I wish I could give the Alexander family this advice: Have a "We Are Still A Family" picnic outdoors. Bring the games, the volleyball net, whatever you used to do when Travis was there. This HONORS him because it is what he would have wanted. I know they have the hardiness inside, all they need to do is point that strength at their grief and REFUSE to let the monster kill the whole Alexander family as well as Travis Alexander.

The first step of recovery from grief is to stop being afraid of it. Have an empty chair there and have Travis' name on it. Have pictures of him all around because you are doing this FOR HIM. There is nothing you can do for him now that he is gone but honor what YOU KNOW his wishes would be for your family.

Raise yourselves, Alexanders! Don't let Jody Arias have any more victims!
 
I will try to keep this post short and makes sense. Hubby and I had finished watching a whole season of Dexter some weeks ago. My co-worker had leant it as he and Girlfriend are avid watchers. We finished watching and the phone rang. I quietly ask who is it. Hubby says Rich (co-worker) Sooo I proceed to launch into "Gosh the kills were soooo awesome,didn't ya just love it". Well it wasn't Rich it was Crimestoppers asking for my yearly charity donation :blushing: I quickly explained and thankfully he laughed.:blushing: That was some time ago. I totally forgot to mail my cheque and they called yesterday to have a driver pick it up. I truly felt bad. I told them it would be in the mailbox in case I wasn't home thru the day. As i posted earlier I had a Crisis call at 3 a.m. which resulted in me contacting Police. So this a.m. the Officer and I did our reports and I dragged my azz home. I go thru the mail and I see my Son had brought it in on his way out the door. Of course my cheque Crimestoppers was to pick up was amongst the mail. So I call them and explain. As of now nobody has been around :scared: Now I know I must be on some kind of list :floorlaugh::scared:
 
BBQ?
I was born and raised in soCal..I can cook Mex like crazy. My DIL is from Naples, Italy..so now we all cook real Italian food.
We moved the family to NC over 20 years ago..now we know how to smoke pork and chicken all day! YUMMY! Brine it first, then dry rub, then smoke.
It is hard to keep lit, lolol

Dang, I think I lost your address...please post it again! :floorlaugh:
 
The alternates remain in case they still need one. If they can't decide on death (but they will), the decision goes to Judge Stevens who will order LWOP ( but could decide with or without parole).

At least that's how Beth described it to me.
I have two sources. Feel free to disregard since I was unable to find the precise Arizona statute that applies.

SOURCE #1
Attorney Mark Eiglarsh said, during an appearance on Dr. Drew's program, that the jury vote must be unanimous for either death or for life. I've followed Mark for several years and have always found him to be very accurate and reliable.

SOURCE #2
An article sourced to CNN stated the following:
The jury then will deliberate for a third time to determine whether Arias should be sentenced to life imprisonment or death. Its decision must be unanimous. In the case of a deadlock, a new jury will be chosen for this phase only.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/15/justice/arizona-jodi-arias-trial/index.html
 
Looking at the menus from Fieri's restaurants in CA and New York, it's obvious that Guy considers himself an aficionado of just about every cuisine imaginable :rolleyes:

http://www.guyfieri.com/restaurant-brands/

Regardless of food quality, he does have that bleached punk rocker/biker personality. I think that was all that was required. Would I take his word on good food? No. But for some good I am hungover food, Yes. I am happy for him, he found a better life for himself and his family via the food stars. Do I take his word on anything other than bendy straws and wishing that plastic wrap came perforated, absolutely not. He was just a fresh and *real* face, not playing the cameras, just being him, and at the right time for t.v. ;) Anthony Boudain (spelling) gets close to what restaurant life is like in his book, but still holds back.
 
The State of Arizona has no jurisdiction in CA. The State's theory is JA either brought the gun with her or, as Jodi claims, she used Travis' gun. Either way the burglary was while she was within the home. It really has nothing to do with the gun. Once she decided to use the knife and the gun against Travis she was an unwelcomed guest in Travis' home. JM did not have to prove she stole the gun. Jodi was already guilty of burglary because it was not her home and she was unlawfully committing a crime by killing Travis. Therefore the State's burden was proven beyond a doubt. How Jodi got the gun has nothing to do with the fact that she committed a burglary in the State of Arizona.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9451391&postcount=1163


The context of this discussion goes all the way back to my question about why JM was allowed, without a single objection, to refer to JA as a burglar who committed a burglary in Siskiyou County California, whereupon she stole her grandfather's gun.

There is a reason the DT allowed him to make these unproven claims.

http://youtu.be/L_uaGMSf21E?t=9m15s

I'd like to know what it is, that's all.
 
You know, we all gave family dynamics.
In my original family there r 4 siblings, 2 hands on parents.
I am the 2nd born.
My older brother protects us, legally, financially, maybe spiritually.
I am the family go to for advise
My Sis (3 rd) is a problem, maybe a mental diseased
By younger bro is my closest to me. But he feels zero involvement with family problems.
I can't see my beginning of this, so to be continued on my thoughts
 
The reason Steven's testimony was Sooooo Gripping-- was the fact that he was speaking for himself whereas Samantha was speaking "for the family." You can't be quite as personal when you are speaking for others as well as yourself.

I watched his testimony with my hand over my mouth and tears running down my cheeks. It took me straight back to the PTSD memory I have worked with since 1994 -the day they told me my son was dead. I had no idea you could have such a powerful physical reaction upon hearing bad news.

Immediately I screamed and was hit by a powerful pain in my chest, then in my stomach and I fell to the ground, retching while still trying to scream. This took place in slow motion on the driveway in front of my mother's house. I can tell you the temperature of the cement, the exact color of the sky. I couldn't hear, I couldn't breathe. I was in agony.

For three months I was a zombie. I didn't eat or care for my other children. My sister took me in and relatives took the kids. I slept, cried, ate, cried, walked, cried, showered and cried. That was my day. I drove recklessly, lost track of time constantly and spent hours staring at the ocean wondering if I could go on living.

One day my sister called the police because I didn't come home until 3:00 am. She told the officer something was wrong with me ever since my son died and nothing seemed to help. Not pills, not doctors, nothing because I was just going through the motions of living. The only thing that brought me back was my other children needed a mother.

Steven only told you the tip of the iceberg. I am sure he lost interest in sex and smoked/drank too much like I did. I kept hurting myself bumping into things because I was not really there--I was in some kind of a dissociated trance. In my mind I said, " The worst possible thing has happened and I am now afraid of nothing. What can anyone say or do that could hurt me? Nothing! I'm invincible!"

There is a way out of PTSD after such a powerful tragedy and I am sure Steven is on the path to recovery.

I wish I could give the Alexander family this advice: Have a "We Are Still A Family" picnic outdoors. Bring the games, the volleyball net, whatever you used to do when Travis was there. This HONORS him because it is what he would have wanted. I know they have the hardiness inside, all they need to do is point that strength at their grief and REFUSE to let the monster kill the whole Alexander family as well as Travis Alexander.

The first step of recovery from grief is to stop being afraid of it. Have an empty chair there and have Travis' name on it. Have pictures of him all around because you are doing this FOR HIM. There is nothing you can do for him now that he is gone but honor what YOU KNOW his wishes would be for your family.

Raise yourselves, Alexanders! Don't let Jody Arias have any more victims!

((((Hugs))) so sorry for your loss and pain!!!

And I agree with your view of Sam and stephen's VISs, as well as how they can honor him.
 
Are we certain he was visiting Arias ? He might have another client in Estrella ...

While we do not know, I am certain they visit her daily right now, until this is done. Any other inmates they are representing may freak when they do not have enough time for them at this moment.
 
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