SIDEBAR #32 - Arias/Alexander forum

[krkrjx]

I sure hope AZ does not go back to sequestering jurors. IMO sequestration was partly responsible for denial of justice for little Caylee. Jurors resent being locked up and having their basic freedoms taken away (go figure) so I do not believe sequestration has the desired effect. Maybe for shorter trials, but those are not typically the situations where sequestration is deemed necessary.

 

[krkrjx]

I think I will go out and play now. Because I can...and the killer can't. :happydance:

 

[LinTX]

I can see KN yelling mistrial again. I don't know what would happen if this judge granted them a mistrial. If this jury ends up like the first jury then this judge will sentence her. I would not be surprised if she lets her walk free, maybe give her 10 years, knocks off time served, suspends the rest, maybe house arrest. NOTHING would surprise me anymore with this trial.

Can't happen, the only choice for sentencing would be LWOP & LWP. And even if she did get LWP, I cannot see AZ releasing a convicted 1st degree murderer at any point, even if parole by some miracle is reinstated. She will be in prison for life, unless an appeal is won, and then she would be retried - hopefully with a judge that can control the process.

 

[grammieto5]

I would have, at one time never believed I would ever see what happened in court Thursday. It's as though I have lost a right, and I never ever want to lose any of my rights, especially because I'm a female. LOL that's a whole other issue.

 

[Bernina]

At 9:57 am on Thursday:

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 37s37 seconds ago
#JodiArias sits and smiles as she talks to her pal Maria. She looks very happy.

Dave Erickson ‏@ericksonvision 54s55 seconds ago
#JodiArias is wearing a black top, glasses, and a smile.

Nancy Grace ‏@NancyGraceHLN 32s32 seconds ago
#JodiArias just sat down, smiling, in good spirits. She's wearing a short sleeve, black shirt and dark pants.

At 10:46 am:

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 30s31 seconds ago
Nurmi is standing and looking down at his mobile device. #JodiArias still seated with Willmott on the side.

At 1:06 pm:

Nancy Grace ‏@NancyGraceHLN 33s33 seconds ago
#JodiArias seated. She seems to have put a black blazer/long sleeve on over her top.

At 1:17 pm:

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 1m1 minute ago
The witness refuses to participate unless court closed to public and media. #jodiarias

Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 1m1 minute agoPhoenix, AZ
#JodiArias defendant's next witness refuses to testify unless courtroom is closed. Judge agrees and we are kicked out of courtroom.

At 1:29 pm:


Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 55s55 seconds ago
Alexander's family is still court; Arias' family was ejected. Ironically, the motion came from Nurmi. #JodiArias

At 1:36 pm:

David Wallace ‏@DavidWallce 1m1 minute ago
Stephens would't identify who next witness is, only that they wouldn't take stand if it were public. #JodiArias

At 2:00 pm:

MaryEllen Resendez ‏@maryellenabc15 52s53 seconds ago
#JodiArias family also told to leave only #TravisAlexander family remains -- what's in this testimony JA family can't hear??




Bolded a bunch in RED. There are all the clues.
CMJA is wearing a stun belt.
She wears a jacket when she has to walk to and from the witness stand or if she's wearing something that reveals the belt under her shirt and/or she does a "demonstration" for the jurors.
Nurmi was no doubt watching Twitter on his mobile device.
"Public" includes CMJA's family, they have no legal grounds as "family of the defendant", so if the "Public" and "Media" are ejected, so is CMJA's family.
The only "citizens" who have the right to be in court for ALL proceedings are the victim's immediate family.

I think the media is right. CMJA is on the stand. Does a defendant have the right to demand "No Public/Media?" Does this mean weeks on end of trial blackout? Did JSS allow this because if CMJA did NOT take the stand, it would be grounds for an appeal?

CMJA is working/bleeding the system for everything it has to offer.

ETA: Nurmi had proof of death threats/intimidation right there on his mobile device, ie., the Tweeters. Sorry excuse, but there it is.

 

[Love Never Fails]

At 9:57 am on Thursday:

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 37s37 seconds ago
#JodiArias sits and smiles as she talks to her pal Maria. She looks very happy.

Dave Erickson ‏@ericksonvision 54s55 seconds ago
#JodiArias is wearing a black top, glasses, and a smile.

Nancy Grace ‏@NancyGraceHLN 32s32 seconds ago
#JodiArias just sat down, smiling, in good spirits. She's wearing a short sleeve, black shirt and dark pants.

At 10:46 am:

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 30s31 seconds ago
Nurmi is standing and looking down at his mobile device. #JodiArias still seated with Willmott on the side.

At 1:06 pm:

Nancy Grace ‏@NancyGraceHLN 33s33 seconds ago
#JodiArias seated. She seems to have put a black blazer/long sleeve on over her top.

At 1:17 pm:

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 1m1 minute ago
The witness refuses to participate unless court closed to public and media. #jodiarias

Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 1m1 minute agoPhoenix, AZ
#JodiArias defendant's next witness refuses to testify unless courtroom is closed. Judge agrees and we are kicked out of courtroom.

At 1:29 pm:


Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 55s55 seconds ago
Alexander's family is still court; Arias' family was ejected. Ironically, the motion came from Nurmi. #JodiArias

At 1:36 pm:

David Wallace ‏@DavidWallce 1m1 minute ago
Stephens would't identify who next witness is, only that they wouldn't take stand if it were public. #JodiArias

At 2:00 pm:

MaryEllen Resendez ‏@maryellenabc15 52s53 seconds ago
#JodiArias family also told to leave only #TravisAlexander family remains -- what's in this testimony JA family can't hear??




Bolded a bunch in RED. There are all the clues.
CMJA is wearing a stun belt.
She wears a jacket when she has to walk to and from the witness stand or if she's wearing something that reveals the belt under her shirt and/or she does a "demonstration" for the jurors.
Nurmi was no doubt watching Twitter on his mobile device.
"Public" includes CMJA's family, they have no legal grounds as "family of the defendant", so if the "Public" and "Media" are ejected, so is CMJA's family.
The only "citizens" who have the right to be in court for ALL proceedings are the victim's immediate family.

I think the media is right. CMJA is on the stand. Does a defendant have the right to demand "No Public/Media?" Does this mean weeks on end of trial blackout? Did JSS allow this because if CMJA did NOT take the stand, it would be grounds for an appeal?

CMJA is working/bleeding the system for everything it has to offer.

Gosh Bernina,
you are implying that CMJA is this smart? I don't know.

 

[nightwatch]

Well...............
Let the defense have their blackout, one less thing to see used as an appeal.
Does it violate the rights of the public? Damn skippy.
Will the public find out who this "mystery" witness is? Eventually.
Did CMJA get her face back front and center in the media, after HLN and CNN were pulling away in their vans? You betcha.

It's all about "her". :gaah: NOT!

Someone needs to remind her it's all about her life or death for slaughtering Travis Alexander, NOT what kind of smoke and mirrors she and her defense attorneys can pull out of their butts.

Bottom line, she WILL go to prison and DIE in prison. Nothing that's said or done in this phase is going to change that.

There are NO Hail Mary's, no 2nd chances, this is it. Life or Death.

Martinez has it covered. And I think Judge Stephens is doing her best to keep as much as she can away from the Appeals Court.

What really chaps my hide is this stupid defendant may cause a new look by Arizona Judges in sequestering their juries. Can you imagine how much more these proceedings would have cost if both juries were sequestered?

The only thing that this pathetic looser from Yrecka can claim is that the world has seen every disgusting part of her, mentally, physically and emotionally. And we are sickened by "it".

IMO this case should cause a new look into changing the penalty phase of trials. If a jury can't decide then the judge should hand down sentence, not retrial penalty and another million dollars (so to speak) for witnesses and lawyers fees.

JA killed Travis 6 years ago all the babies born in mesa on June 4th 2008 are in first grade now. WTH! Still twisting the knife, she needs to be deep in the bowels of the prison.

This case going on down the hall from JA's. Defense seems to be using JA case as a road map on how to defend their female killer. Jmo

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lurid-trial-escapes-media-attention/18230963/




ciao

 

[Bernina]

Gosh Bernina,
you are implying that CMJA is this smart? I don't know.

Judge Stephens is basically letting the Appellate Court make the decision on the media/public so CMJA doesn't have a leg to stand on on an appeal issue in the future. I didn't find any tweet that Juan objected to the "blackout".
Several "media" tweeters said their attorneys were going to fast track their motion (or whatever) before the appeals court by 5:00pm Friday, with a possible decision by Monday morning before court reconvenes.

Is CMJA that "smart"? No, she's just ridiculous. She's just pushing the envelope because that's what she does. She wants CONTROL. Right now she controls the media and public, or so she believes. CMJA has media and trial watchers crying foul. She's once again, center stage.

The Bryan Hulsey (cop killer) trial here in Az was similar, an even longer wait for a killer waiting to go to trial, and Hulsey was just as whacko as CMJA. He threatened to refuse to leave his cell for court, and after the verdict he yelled "Bravo" and clapped to the jury. Same laundry list of redundant motions and self representation over years and years before the trial. Juan was prosecutor......

CMJA isn't smart, she's just pulling out all the stops that no other defendant would see as reasonable or prudent. It's like she sits in her cell saying "What if I did this or that?" Maybe having her family out of the courtroom she can say she doesn't have any familial support? The jury isn't going to know why the courtroom was emptied.

She's a whack a doodle

can't really type what I think about her, but, hey, we're talking Miss Einstein!!!!

 

[Bernina]

IMO this case should cause a new look into changing the penalty phase of trials. If a jury can't decide then the judge should hand down sentence, not retrial penalty and another million dollars (so to speak) for witnesses and lawyers fees.

JA killed Travis 6 years ago all the babies born in mesa on June 4th 2008 are in first grade now. WTH! Still twisting the knife, she needs to be deep in the bowels of the prison.

This case going on down the hall from JA's. Defense seems to be using JA case as a road map on how to defend their female killer. Jmo

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lurid-trial-escapes-media-attention/18230963/




ciao

I think the press is just trying to grab some ratings doing the comparison. Marisa DeValt's trial played very similar, another Martinez prosecution.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I think the press is just trying to grab some ratings doing the comparison. Marisa DeValt's trial played very similar, another Martinez prosecution.

morning, Bernina, how's our baby doing? Yes it's amazing what she's done to our justice system. All in the name of her civil rights. A convicted murderer found guilty of murder one, for the slaughter of Travis. No doubt about her guilt, she's admitted to it, and we're still playing games. She made a choice right then and there to give up those rights when she killed Travis, and justice needs to be done. Right now, and end this game. I blame William Zervakos for this mockery.

Do you remember when you were ashamed to be in jail and even more so prison?


[video=youtube;nvzGAW4BB34]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nvzGAW4BB34[/video]

 

[Bernina]

Do you remember when you were ashamed to be in jail and even more so prison?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm..................I've only been in jail twice, both for DOG AT LARGE!!!!! But I can tell you how fun it is to get fingerprinted, with the old ink on the fingers and the new touch screen method!:floorlaugh:

 

[Jmoose]

Nurmi said in opening that the killer's dad choked her until she was unconscious. And he made it sound like that happened more than once or twice. We never heard that the first time around and it struck me odd that he would say that...unless he had Dad's approval to say it.

Which makes me suspect mystery witness is Daddy Dearest.

Why is Nurmi allowed to say something in the opening statement of the sentencing phase, that was not testified to under oath in the guilt phase? I might have missed the explanation here somewhere.

 

[Tuba]

HLN & CNN in turmoil, Mike Galanos did take up the trial shut out on Thursday & it was from his program that I learned (immediately) there would be a hearing at 3 p.m. I will be checking with him every trial day as he is the last remnant of the Turner net's coverage of this. Mike will be celebrating his birthday next Friday and did you know he is Greek & graduated summa laude from San Francisco State University?

 

[YESorNO]

I fully understand the frustration, anger and criticisms of the judge. This latest development has me thinking 'WTF?' too. Yet I have seem nothing to suggest dishonesy from Judge Stephens. A painfully patient dedication to trying a notorious case, politeness, good humour, tenacity - I have seen JSS exhibit all of those qualities - and more. If I am wrong, I'll know soon enough and learn from my error of judgement. What the family think of JSS will be of the utmost importance to me. How she sentences Arias too. Arias will try for future appeals. She would have done so with any judge. I hope Stephen's approach is validated when they are all thrown out.

Looks as if JSS has every right for her decision, according to the AZ Supreme Court laws about cameras, tweeting, etc. in the courtroom, and it's up to her discretion to make the decision according to the situation:
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Cameras in Court - Rule 122:

"...(d) Denial or limitation of coverage. A properly submitted request for coverage should generally be approved, but a judge may deny or may limit the request as provided in this paragraph. A judge's decision on a coverage request, or on an objection to coverage, is reviewable only by special action.

(1) Denial of coverage: A judge on his or her own motion may deny a request for coverage, or may sustain a party's objection to coverage, only after making specific, on-the-record findings that there is a likelihood of harm arising from one or more of the following factors, and that the harm outweighs the benefit of coverage to the public:

(A) the impact of coverage upon the right of any party to a fair hearing or trial;

(B) the impact of coverage upon the right of privacy of any party, victim, or witness;

(C) the impact of coverage upon the safety and well-being of any party, victim, witness, or juror;

(D) the likelihood that coverage would distract participants or that coverage would disrupt or detract from the dignity of a proceeding;

(E) the adequacy of the physical facilities of the court;

(F) the timeliness of the request pursuant to paragraph (c)(2) of this rule;

(G) whether the person making the request is engaged in the dissemination of news to a broad community; and

(H) any other factor affecting the administration of justice.

(2) Limitation of coverage: Upon his or her own motion or upon the request of a party, victim, or witness, a judge may allow coverage as requested or may, after making specific, on-the-record findings based on the factors in paragraph (d)(1), impose limitations as follows:

(A) order that no one may photograph, record, or broadcast a criminal defendant, a law enforcement officer, or a victim in the courtroom;

(B) order that video coverage must effectively obscure the face and identity of that party, victim, or witness, or that there be only audio coverage of the testimony of a party, victim, or witness;

(C) prohibit coverage of the testimony of that witness upon a determination that coverage would have a substantial adverse impact upon that witness or his or her testimony..."

http://www.azcourts.gov/mediaroom/camerasincourt.aspx
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17A A.R.S. Sup.Ct.Rules, Rule 122.1
Rule 122.1. Use of Portable Electronic Devices in a Courthouse

"(a) Purpose. This rule specifies the permitted and prohibited uses of portable electronic devices in a courthouse. A court must use reasonable means to advise courthouse visitors of the provisions of this rule. A violation of this rule may be punishable as contempt.

(b) Definitions. The following definitions apply in this rule:

(1) A “portable electronic device” is a mobile device capable of electronically storing, accessing, or transmitting information. The term encompasses, among other things, a transportable computer of any size, including a tablet, a notebook, and a laptop; a smart phone, a cell phone, or other wireless phone; a camera and other audio or video recording devices; a personal digital assistant (PDA); other devices that provide internet access; and any similar items....

(1) In a courtroom: In a courtroom, no one may use a portable electronic device to take photographs or for audio or video recording unless that use is allowed under Rule 122...

http://www.sc.pima.gov/Portals/0/Library/Comm/Rule 122.1 Electronic Devices effective 1-1-14.pdf
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"...Attorneys, parties and members of the public may use their devices in courtrooms to download or save information, to gain access to the Internet or to send and receive information, email or text messages. But they may not use them for making or receiving phone calls...."

http://arizonafoi.com/ariz-supreme-court-outlines-smartphone-use-in-courtrooms/
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Cathy ‏@courtchatter 3h3 hours ago
Correction to my prev tweet. Judge at yest hearing said VIDEO & trans would be available after trial of "secret" testimony of #JodiArias

 

[YESorNO]

Arias judge bars public from witness' testimony

Troy Hayden/Beth Karas/Brian Foster speak in video clip:

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/clip/10...c-from-witness-testimony#.VFTxR7YnrE0.twitter

 

[Tuba]

YesorNo, that is a great & complete procedural summary on coverage. Thank you SO much!

 

[Bernina]

 

[janx]

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Ooohhh! :loveyou:

 

[Love Never Fails]

Judge Stephens is basically letting the Appellate Court make the decision on the media/public so CMJA doesn't have a leg to stand on on an appeal issue in the future. I didn't find any tweet that Juan objected to the "blackout".
Several "media" tweeters said their attorneys were going to fast track their motion (or whatever) before the appeals court by 5:00pm Friday, with a possible decision by Monday morning before court reconvenes.

Is CMJA that "smart"? No, she's just ridiculous. She's just pushing the envelope because that's what she does. She wants CONTROL. Right now she controls the media and public, or so she believes. CMJA has media and trial watchers crying foul. She's once again, center stage.

The Bryan Hulsey (cop killer) trial here in Az was similar, an even longer wait for a killer waiting to go to trial, and Hulsey was just as whacko as CMJA. He threatened to refuse to leave his cell for court, and after the verdict he yelled "Bravo" and clapped to the jury. Same laundry list of redundant motions and self representation over years and years before the trial. Juan was prosecutor......

CMJA isn't smart, she's just pulling out all the stops that no other defendant would see as reasonable or prudent. It's like she sits in her cell saying "What if I did this or that?" Maybe having her family out of the courtroom she can say she doesn't have any familial support? The jury isn't going to know why the courtroom was emptied.

She's a whack a doodle

can't really type what I think about her, but, hey, we're talking Miss Einstein!!!!

Exactly. Not intelligent but crafty. I also followed the Bryan Hulsey trial at the end. What a nut job he was.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

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