SIDEBAR #32 - Arias/Alexander forum

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I'm not a mother yet but one of the most important duties of a parent is to teach the kid right from wrong. Enabling the child simply because you gave birth to her and because you perceive her to be an extension of yourself is not only selfish but also wrong. Arias' parents should have apologized to Travis' family and begged their daughter to confess to murder. If that's too much for them then maintaining good old silence (as opposed to mocking the victim's family, pretending their daughter is innocent, asking for $$$ etc.) would be the right thing to do. Of course Aunt Sue is all about the money.

I am a parent and one of the most valuable lessons you can teach your children is to take responsibility for their actions. Every choice has a consequence. It's not easy watching your child make a mistake, but that's how we all learn. If we swoop in to save them every time they mess up, they will never, ever learn how to take responsibility for themselves and will grow up with an entitled attitude that the world should bend the rules for them.
If I were in her parent's shoes, I would apologize to the family of the victim privately, make one public statement stating that I would like my privacy to be respected and that I will stand back and allow justice to be served. It would be gut wrenching to have your child be a convicted murderer, but the only way to handle it is to truly face the reality of it and focus on finding the truth in it all. Her family knows the truth, they are just not in a place emotionally where they can accept it. JMO, IMHO, MOO..etc..
 
I feel sorry for them; they are very delusional, IMO.

Delusional, yes...disturbing but also sad. Just thinking of the "nature vs. nurture" theory, for CMJA it seems she got both, and the two combined equal "monster".
 
Honestly, I don't know what I'd do if I was in their position.........I just wouldn't be able to deny her guilt. And if I could, I'd be taking the stand. But if there's nothing positive to throw in her direction, what are you going to do?

I never lied or fudged for my kids......and they knew it. They could screw up, but if they lied to me about it, mom ain't gonna play that game with 'em.

I'm right there with you, Bernina. If I was in the position of this family, I would be in court every day, and I would probably be crying my eyes out each day. I would so badly want to apologize to the victim's family. I would be angry, ashamed, confused and trying to balance my love for my child with him/her being held responsible for his/her actions. If I knew my child took a life in this manner, I would not be begging anyone to donate to a fund. Of that, I am quite sure.
 
309 hundred days of 2014, and we have 56 days to go.

1957 - The Soviet Union launched into orbit Sputnik 2, with a dog on board named Laika was sacrificed in the experiment.

2014 - Jodi plays another game and gets shut down......again.

and

Joran van der Sloot has been stabbed repeatedly in a Peruvian prison in recent days, but penitentiary authorities said he likely hurt himself. Oh Jodi, I found you a roomie

A special thanks to the men who stood up for of our civil rights.

Hi everyone! :wave:

I remember Sputnik going across the skies!! Beep... Beep... Beep...

Yes, yesterday was GOOD for our civil rights!! :happydance: Missy's :behindbar attempt for another "game" was shut down!

Wondering if "we"/media will be at the 1:30pm court hearing today? Anyone know? (I don't Twitter...)

:seeya:
 
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Right click on the picture and save it to your Pictures' folder. Then you can "add" the picture to your FB - where it says "add Photo" - you know the picture of the camera? It will go to your Folder - be sure to Remember "Where" you saved it - and just upload! Hope that makes sense! :wave:
 
Just a couple of articles to read:
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Court Can't Shut out Media in Jodi Arias Case

"...A three-judge panel of the Arizona Court of Appeals ruled in favor of news organizations that were fighting Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Sherry Stephens' surprise decision last Thursday to close the courtroom as the defense began its case....

However, the decision doesn't reveal the identity of the mystery witness who testified last week at the start of the defense case.

.... it's unclear how long the stay will last...."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/court-considers-medias-request-jodi-arias-case-26661819
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3 rows behind Jodi Arias

"...She almost seems happy to be there, to command the attention of the masses that have flocked to the Maricopa County Superior Court to catch a glimpse of the proceedings..."

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/11/04/jodi-arias-courtroom-observations-death-penalty-retrial
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Jodi Arias Judge Can't Keep News Media Out of Courtroom, Appeals Court Rules

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"...No announcement's been made yet on when testimony might resume, or whether the mystery witness (speculation is rampant) will be outed..."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/va...edia_out_of_courtroom_appeals_court_rules.php
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Brent @ Kleinman Law ‏@brentjkleinman 8h8 hours ago
#JodiArias followers plz understand #Stay granted today doesn't grant definite access to media. It stops secret testimony from continuing :gavel:

Right. This is so simple.

Just stop the secret testimony. Either reverse the decision entirely (which is really the right call because their decision is implying that is where they are heading) OR let the witness continue and let media watch from another room where they can't see who it is and instruct them not to speculate OR at minimum provide a transcript to the media immediately after this witness is done and keep them anonymous.

Then, dont allow any more witnesses this special privilege. Enough.
 
Those of you without HLN are not missing out on a thing. Barely a mention of JA trial. Most shows are rerun two or three times in a row. What has happened to television? Gahhhhh! It stinks to high heaven, and if I hadn't signed up for two years at a set price I would pull the plug!

Perhaps Beth can start a new crime channel. Now that, I would pay for!

rant over.
 
I know there's been a lot of comments about Judge Stephens all over the Webernetwit <---yes, I just made that up! but I really *think* she's just CYA (or CHA) for any future appeals.

I blame CMJA and her Dream Team for all the delays and foolishness. I'm probably in the minority, but dahmn if the Judge and Martinez haven't had to drive this case through a chit storm of motions, objections and general redundancy on the part of CMJA & Company.

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Those of you without HLN are not missing out on a thing. Barely a mention of JA trial. Most shows are rerun two or three times in a row. What has happened to television? Gahhhhh! It stinks to high heaven, and if I hadn't signed up for two years at a set price I would pull the plug!

Perhaps Beth can start a new crime channel. Now that, I would pay for!

rant over.

Nancy isn't covering the trial at night but is tweeting during the day, which suggests to me HLN is phasing out court stuff. So why did they send her to AZ? (I really do wish she spent more time with her children) And, yes, let's have a chat with Beth about your idea!
 
Honestly, I don't know what I'd do if I was in their position.........I just wouldn't be able to deny her guilt. And if I could, I'd be taking the stand. But if there's nothing positive to throw in her direction, what are you going to do?

I never lied or fudged for my kids......and they knew it. They could screw up, but if they lied to me about it, mom ain't gonna play that game with 'em.

I know I would certainly express my deep regrets to the Alexander family on the loss of their brother, which was caused by my daughter, who made some regrettable choices when she murdered their brother and I would be deeply sorry for all the pain my daughter has caused everyone, my family included, as a result of her choices.

Remorse- it's so simple to me.

There must be an agenda that they have, possibly dreamed up by Nurmi and Co., and her parents are following this drama to align with their story. I just can't understand them tho'- it's inconceivable to me why they are not taking the stand and say, "yes", we did not give our daughter the support/help she obviously needed or why would she do such a horrible thing to another human being.

That they do not want their daughter to receive the DP is understandable, IMO- they still love her, but to just stick their head in the sand- that their daughter is "innocent"- is dubious to me. I don't think that her parents are that brainless and they do know the truth about their daughter- no matter how terrible the truth really is. Of course, no parent wants to acknowledge that their child is a murderer and just couldn't have done such a heinous act, because murder is so appalling to my mind. But to say, she is "wrongly convicted" of murder- well, I just don't know what to say except that some/most parents will go through fire for their children and their saying it may just be part of the "act" to save their daughter from the DP (at least I hope so).

I am truly ashamed for them, even if they may not be (although I really do think they are)- to have to go thru all this horror- it's , again, inconceivable to me. I pray that they will find some peace in what they are doing- for what they are forced to do, I hope, IMO, for the love of their daughter, but if they truly believe their daughter- well, you reap what you sow- in my eyes.
I, myself, would not go along with the story that my daughter was innocent in any way because every life is precious and no one has the right to take that life away, no matter what the "story" is. ( My two sons know that I would stand by them in the truth, but never in their lies.) My daughter, in this case, would have to take whatever punishment the jurors deemed necessary for atonement in this grievous murder of another human being. I would be begging, on my knees, that the jurors find some compassion in their hearts- to show some mercy- and let my daughter live in prison for the rest of her life- not for her sake, but for the sake of me and my family. I would be on my knees, asking for forgiveness of the Alexander family for the wrong that my daughter did to Travis and his family.

I am just ashamed for them.

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I know there's been a lot of comments about Judge Stephens all over the Webernetwit <---yes, I just made that up! but I really *think* she's just CYA (or CHA) for any future appeals.

I blame CMJA and her Dream Team for all the delays and foolishness. I'm probably in the minority, but dahmn if the Judge and Martinez haven't had to drive this case through a chit storm of motions, objections and general redundancy on the part of CMJA & Company.

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I think JSS purposely made that decision about the witness so the media would take it to the appeals court. It was out of her hands then- like Pontius Pilate washing his hands, IMo, so no appeal there by her part.
 
I know there's been a lot of comments about Judge Stephens all over the Webernetwit <---yes, I just made that up! but I really *think* she's just CYA (or CHA) for any future appeals.

I blame CMJA and her Dream Team for all the delays and foolishness. I'm probably in the minority, but dahmn if the Judge and Martinez haven't had to drive this case through a chit storm of motions, objections and general redundancy on the part of CMJA & Company.

twister-smiley.gif
If a teacher fails to maintain control of the classroom, it's the teacher's fault, not the kids that take advantage and do what kids do. Same with the court, it's Nurmi's job to attempt to control the trial to the benefit of his client. It's the judge's job to make sure that doesn't happen and to ensure a fair trial is conducted and that justice is served. For whatever reason, she seems incapable of doing that job in these circumstances. I believe that JA would have already been serving her sentence for awhile now if she'd had another judge, and quite possibly on death row because the guilt phase would have looked nothing like this one did. I think JSS is probably a very nice woman, and I'd probably like her IRL, but she has never had control of this case and the state's case has paid for that, IMO.
 
William Pitts &#8207;@william_pitts 56s57 seconds ago
Nurmi says it would be inappropriate for defense to continue. Maintains his position. #JodiArias

Brent @ Kleinman Law &#8207;@brentjkleinman 53s54 seconds ago
Defense now wants trial halted due to COA ruling #JodiArias

William Pitts &#8207;@william_pitts 53s54 seconds ago
#JodiArias is back and in stripes. @12News

William Pitts &#8207;@william_pitts 44s45 seconds ago
Nurmi says the issue is "problematic". #JodiArias

Jen's Trial Diaries &#8207;@TrialDiariesJ 47s47 seconds ago
Defense doesn't want to call people out of order. This whole thing is problematic #JodiArias #3tvarias
 
Michael Kiefer &#8207;@michaelbkiefer 18s19 seconds ago
In #JodiArias hearing. Kirk Nurmi says the appeals court ruling "thrust upon" him is problematic.

Jen's Trial Diaries &#8207;@TrialDiariesJ 26s27 seconds ago
Nurmi says he won't go forward until they can litigate in front of appellate court #JodiArias #3tvarias

Brent @ Kleinman Law &#8207;@brentjkleinman 46s47 seconds ago
We don't intend to go forward until #JodiArias fully litigates the issue in front of the court of appeals

William Pitts &#8207;@william_pitts 46s47 seconds ago
Defense does not plan to go forward until the court of appeals hears arguments over merits of court closure. #JodiArias @12News

Wild About Trial &#8207;@WildAboutTrial 1m1 minute ago
"We do not intend to go forward until she has the right to litigate this issue in front of the appellate court." - Nurmi #JodiArias


 
Brent @ Kleinman Law &#8207;@brentjkleinman 51s52 seconds ago
#Nurmi needs to file responsive brief. Wants trial halted until completed #JodiArias

Wild About Trial &#8207;@WildAboutTrial 47s48 seconds ago
Nurmi just said "Ms. Arias' rights." Your reaction? #JodiArias

William Pitts &#8207;@william_pitts 46s47 seconds ago
Nurmi wants to let court of appeals rule and then he can proceed. #JodiArias @12News

Wild About Trial &#8207;@WildAboutTrial 1m1 minute ago
Juan is up #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries &#8207;@TrialDiariesJ 1m1 minute ago
Nurmi wants to file a brief to the court of appeals #jodiarias #3tvarias

Michael Kiefer &#8207;@michaelbkiefer 1m1 minute ago
Nurmi says that the media ruling is unconstitutional. #JodiArias. Let the court "do the business that media interference has thrust upon us"


 
William Pitts &#8207;@william_pitts 2m2 minutes ago
Martinez says judge stephens has the ability to ORDER #JodiArias to continue and says she should. @12News

Brent @ Kleinman Law &#8207;@brentjkleinman 2m2 minutes ago
state's argument Rule 19 AZ Crim Pro says Judge has power to move case forward #JodiArias

Mike Watkiss &#8207;@mikewatkiss3tv 1m1 minute agoPhoenix, AZ
"We do not intend to go forward" says #JodiArias Atty Kirk Nurmi until an appeal to yesterday's ruling opening up Arias retrial #3tvarias

Michael Kiefer &#8207;@michaelbkiefer 1m1 minute ago
Juan Martinez says that Judge Stephens should order the #JodiArias case to go forward. He says the victims have a right to continue trial.
 
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