SIDEBAR #43 - Arias/Alexander forum

[YESorNO]

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
"@jeffgoldesq: Watch GoldPatrol Update: #JodiaArias Closings Begin. @courtchatter

[video=youtu;LDUbp5LF4NA]http://youtu.be/LDUbp5LF4NA "[/video]

ETA: crappy sound :sheesh:

 

[YESorNO]

William Pitts ‏@william_pitts 4s5 seconds ago
"Fate has ordained that the first men to set foot on the moon should stay there." -- Martinez #JodiArias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 22s23 seconds ago
Juan is reading a letter about men that landed on moon and will be mourned by the nation #jodiarias #3tvarias
-------------

BBM

FYI: This is where JM's quote came from: (full speech is here)

IN EVENT OF MOON DISASTER

"On July 18 of 1969, as the world waited anxiously for Apollo 11 to land safely on the surface of the Moon, speechwriter William Safire imagined the worst case scenario as he expertly wrote the following sombre memo to President Nixon's Chief of Staff, H. R. Haldeman. Its contents: a contingency plan, in the form of a speech to be read out by Nixon should astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin become stranded on the Moon, never to return, followed by some brief instructions relating to its broadcast. Luckily for all those involved, the memo was never needed...

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/11/in-event-of-moon-disaster.html

 

[YESorNO]

Day 41 of Jodi Arias trial: Judge approves live broadcast of verdict

http://www.kpho.com/story/28186785/...ive-broadcast-of-verdict#.VO0T32PtZZQ.twitter

 

[YESorNO]

Link: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-pejLcXEAAve5x.jpg

Nothing about her "mentally ill" sister tho'????

 

[YESorNO]

Bernina

Could you find out what BK thinks about Lawrence's and JM's closing statements?

I'll be back later after I finish posting the Amer Sniper tweets from after lunchtime in Texas.

TX

 

[Bernina]

I'd like to add 2 cents into this whole "murder, PTSD, depression" equation.

If you HAVE PTSD, you are FAR more likely to kill yourself, than someone else. You are far more likely to die of your own hands than of "natural causes".

If CMJA HAD PTSD, she would have been a wreck, seeing those autopsy photos, being around guards with guns, raised voices, and, for that matter, bathrooms and showers.

Let's get freaking real about this.

CMJA and her whole DT gang have done a lot of damage to those of us who have REALLY suffered living with those conditions.

Have to give Travis' family an incredible amount of credit, for letting the legal system handle this. I couldn't and wouldn't. That's being honest. I would have made every effort to get my pound of flesh weeks before LE showed up to make an arrest. What she DID to Travis..............naw, if a doc didn't get to me first and heavily sedate me, something bad would have happened.

Murderers and rabid dogs. There's only one way to effectively deal with them.

 

[Bernina]

Bernina

Could you find out what BK thinks about Lawrence's and JM's closing statements?

I'll be back later after I finish posting the Amer Sniper tweets from after lunchtime in Texas.

TX

Yep, heading over there now.............didn't appreciate Jeff Gold's tweets while JM was closing. Armchair lawyers can say what they want, but they're not prosecuting the case.:gaah:

 

[Zuri]

Thank you Bernina for the posts. I was able to follow the trial as my husband drove from Florence, SC to Delaware. I read them to him Through the freezing rain, sleet and snow in the Carolinas through the horrible traffic between DC and Baltimore.

This trial has just gone on so long and has been so heavy on all our hearts. I am so glad I had you all here to see it to the end. My prediction for the verdict was March 5th I think. I hope it takes them 20 minutes to deliver the verdict, so everyone can put CMJA as a distant memory in our minds. #Heinous

 

[Bernina]

Bernina

Could you find out what BK thinks about Lawrence's and JM's closing statements?

I'll be back later after I finish posting the Amer Sniper tweets from after lunchtime in Texas.

TX

Ok................there were audio issues that made some of the closing hard to hear. The only 2 things that Beth mentions was Nurmi was breaking JM's flow with the repeated objections/sidebars, and she had trouble following JM at times because she couldn't figure out the structure of his summation. Maybe her video blog will say more.

Until I see the video footage, I'm going to have to agree. I every trial I've seen with Juan prosecuting, his closings have rarely been interrupted. He becomes the masterful story teller, weaving all the loose ends into a cohesive narration that usually destroys the defenses' "reasonable doubt". I've never heard or seen him jump around, going back and forth from one issue to the other. The mitigating factors were all over the place, where he usually handles them one at a time. JM has always had a structure that flows from one subject to the next with any type of closing, one that at times is almost indiscernible.
But, as the tweets came in, and I just finished Beth's written observations, I was thinking JM is kinda off. But maybe that's what he needed to do to engage the jury? I don't have a clue, but it's just not the JM I'm used to seeing in the courtroom the last few decades. JMO.

 

[Zuri]

Mark Henle ‏@HenleMark 2m2 minutes agoCasa Grande, AZ
#JuanMartinez presents his final arguments during the sentencing phase of the #JodiArias retrial Tuesday. @azcentral

Love that Juan wore blue in honor of Travis...

 

[Wagara]

Thank you Bernina for the posts. I was able to follow the trial as my husband drove from Florence, SC to Delaware. I read them to him Through the freezing rain, sleet and snow in the Carolinas through the horrible traffic between DC and Baltimore.

This trial has just gone on so long and has been so heavy on all our hearts. I am so glad I had you all here to see it to the end. My prediction for the verdict was March 5th I think. I hope it takes them 20 minutes to deliver the verdict, so everyone can put CMJA as a distant memory in our minds. #Heinous

You came thru my town!

 

[Ricki]

Thank you for all the tweets. Although I try to follow this from work. I don't get every tweet or all that is going on. Coming here to read after work makes it so much easier. You are all much appreciated.

 

[Bernina]

Thank you Bernina for the posts. I was able to follow the trial as my husband drove from Florence, SC to Delaware. I read them to him Through the freezing rain, sleet and snow in the Carolinas through the horrible traffic between DC and Baltimore.

This trial has just gone on so long and has been so heavy on all our hearts. I am so glad I had you all here to see it to the end. My prediction for the verdict was March 5th I think. I hope it takes them 20 minutes to deliver the verdict, so everyone can put CMJA as a distant memory in our minds. #Heinous

The previous jury got the case May 21,(maybe the 22?) 2013, and were hung and done May 24, 2013. Granted, this jury has TONS of items marked into evidence they might have to go over that they didn't see testimony for. They might even decide to go long hours and on Friday.
If they get instructions tomorrow before or right after lunch (and Nurmi doesn't spend the whole morning blah, blah, blahhing) they could have a verdict on Monday. It all depends on how sick they are of putting their lives on hold. They could put their noses to the grind stone or follow the regular court schedule. CMJA didn't allocute, so that's one less thing they'll have to shovel through, and her guilt and special circumstance have already been decided. And no one pleaded for her life. This jury only heard "secret" testimony from CMJA up until she met TA, not the actual day of the murder, just her opening of "I killed him in self defense" before she went into I was born in a little brown shack, etc, etc. No 18 days to sort through.
They really only have to look at the 9 "possible" mitigators. That's when they'll rely on their notes and any corresponding evidence.

 

[My-Future-Ex-Husband]

that tissue doesn't look wet to me.

As somebody who wears glasses, if she'd been crying there would be tear stains on those glasses. They'd look like somebody hadn't washed your windows for a month.

I posted I thought the jury would take two days tops and return a verdict of life. Then this...Nurmi kept saying "your moral judgement" well isn't that like saying use your emotions which jurors are supposed to set aside?

That's why I think they'll come up with life (or hung which will still=life).

I thought Juan saying to look through all the texts was a good move because the amount of "abuse" doesn't = all they texts they had together but will the jury really be arsed doing that?

Nurmi taking Dr D's diagnosis of BPD and then slagging her off for DV and PTSD because "all our experts have 30+ years of experience" doesn't explain why none of their "experts" diagnosed her with BPD. They're had nearly two years to get just one person to agree with Dr D and they couldn't do it.

Side note...loved that Marc McGee was one of the sealed thingys from yesterday. For the people that didn't know that he was Witness 1, well they know now! And talking of him...wants to hide his own name but has no problem with his mother's name being on display. Charming. Says a lot about him.

I wonder why Juan never used the photo of CMJA and Bobby when she was in pigtails and a superman shirt?

Funny how the DT went from child to just regular . Neither of which was mentioned by CMJA as reasons for killing him. Hell she engaged in " sex" talk with him after the supposed event. Also...she molded herself to what Travis/Men wanted...NO. She molded herself to what she thought they wanted. DB even said he never asked her for the boob job/blonde conversion.

I've been watching this trial with my daughter. She's 18 on the 8th March. Both of us watched Aileen Wuornos. Both of us thought she shouldn't have got the DP, if you watch her testimony and she's talking about being raped she's definitely remembering it (your eyes go skyward when remembering things) and that set her off, IOA. When CMJA is "remembering" things she doesn't do that. We both want her to get the DP (if only for the fact she'll be by herself and not in Gen Pop), so it doesn't matter how many people you've killed it's the way you go about it, plus AW had really lost it from the way she'd been treated in life.

The thing me and my daughter can't get over with regards to CMJA is her nearly sawing off Travis' head. That is the DP decider for us. There was no reason to do that....the only thing I could think of is that he hadn't died already and she didn't want the housemates to hear him beg for help, so how cruel can you be?

Crossing my fingers that the jury comes back with the DP but like other people have said, she's not a man and she doesn't look like AW.

One more thing, liked that Juan put in that if you look through Travis' texts the "muse/" text isn't there.

 

[Spellbound]

I'm exhausted and I didn't even post the tweets. :floorlaugh:

Thanks Bernina for all your hard work :tyou:

:loveyou:

I am drained to my core, too, Maybe it is the stress of the trial has caught up with us. Or the dreadful winter weather. Or a combo of the two!

Amother thanks to Bernina. I don't think I could have been as dedicated as you today. Bless you, lovely lady. At least you rested your foot for a while

 

[Love Never Fails]

Ok................there were audio issues that made some of the closing hard to hear. The only 2 things that Beth mentions was Nurmi was breaking JM's flow with the repeated objections/sidebars, and she had trouble following JM at times because she couldn't figure out the structure of his summation. Maybe her video blog will say more.

Until I see the video footage, I'm going to have to agree. I every trial I've seen with Juan prosecuting, his closings have rarely been interrupted. He becomes the masterful story teller, weaving all the loose ends into a cohesive narration that usually destroys the defenses' "reasonable doubt". I've never heard or seen him jump around, going back and forth from one issue to the other. The mitigating factors were all over the place, where he usually handles them one at a time. JM has always had a structure that flows from one subject to the next with any type of closing, one that at times is almost indiscernible.
But, as the tweets came in, and I just finished Beth's written observations, I was thinking JM is kinda off. But maybe that's what he needed to do to engage the jury? I don't have a clue, but it's just not the JM I'm used to seeing in the courtroom the last few decades. JMO.

Bernina,
I got in late and quickly came here to catch up at the very end. I couldn't make much sense of what was being tweeted. It appears that maybe Juan was all over the place because of the way the defense has presented their mitigation. He had to cover so many bases, had to clear Travis's name , had to clear his own name and that of Detective Flores, had to fight the nonsense from the fake psycholgists and then had to put up with the judge caving into every whim of the defense, and on top of all that couldn't cross Jodi's secret testimony. If we feel Juan wasn't up to his game, even slightly, think of how hard it must have been for this jury to follow along all these months. I just wonder if this isn't the hardest court battle Juan ever had to fight. And it isn't because the defense lawyers are good. It's because they played the system and the judge allowed it, IMO.
What you said earlier about murderers and rabid dogs, add child molestors to that and I will say Amen! I have never been violent but I agree with you about taking Jodi out before she ever faced trial. It would likely come down to Juan prosecuting me for having killed her...if Travis was my brother. Especially today. I feel so very sorry for the Alexander's. And the Arias's should be ashamed of themselves for wearing purple. I have never felt so bitter toward anyone as I do Jodi Arias.

 

[My-Future-Ex-Husband]

Manifests as behaviors, fear of adults, trying to be unnoticed, under or over weight (subconscious effort to be "unattractive"), sexual inappropriateness, cutting, anorexia, bulimia, fight or flight reactions, shy/timid in groups, etc................and later turning into panic disorder and anxioty when the victim is safe within their life and surroundings usually late 20's, early 30's....then therapy and PTSD

That's just an example. Lots of variables. Sometimes you'll get "flashes" of incidents but won't make or refuse to make a connection.

Thank you, and thanks for the tweets.

Would like to add that I totally freaked out when I became pregnant at 29 as I thought I would be a crappy mother due to the above. My daughter is awesome and has been through so much herself but if ever in trouble she'll call me and not her dad because she knows that I will be honest with her (makes me laugh...when she and her brother were little they'd say "why don't you just stick up for us" when they were in trouble for something) and support her when I know she's been wronged, make her own up when she's done the wronging (apart from child arguments with her bro that hasn't happened).

I just got diagnosed with hepatitis of the liver due to me binge drinking due to the above. She is sooooooooo hacked off with me. She and her brother love me so much but due to everything I know but I don't know...I still feel they'd be better without me. Once I get rid of that feeling I'll be fine but I don't know if it will ever go.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Oh and about the deliberations. I think all of us feel the jury should take a quick vote and come back in five minutes for death. But if they must persuade anyone, then I hope they will take as many days as needed and go through all the evidence against her and realize what an animal she is and that she needs to be put in isolation for the rest of her life. If that means DP, so be it.

I wonder if it wouldn't give the jury great satisfaction to smile at Jodi and be able to say in unison: "death". I know it cannot happen that way but we would all like to see her face when her bubble bursts.

 

[Spellbound]

My-Future .... you deserve a :hug: Thank you for sharing here. I am sorry you have another stress to deal with. Hang on, Luv. Those kids would not be better off without you! Don't leave them confused and searching for ways to blame themselves. It will get better... slow but sure.

This is closing has me in a tizzy due to all the objections being made. Juan was polite and did not interrupt, yet JSS is allowing the defense to pop up constantly. I have not seen this in any trial I have followed. A few objections, perhaps, but never to this extent. :gaah:

 

[Love Never Fails]

My-Future .... you deserve a :hug: Thank you for sharing here. I am sorry you have another stress to deal with. Hang on, Luv. Those kids would not be better off without you! Don't leave them confused and searching for ways to blame themselves. It will get better... slow but sure.

This is closing has me in a tizzy due to all the objections being made. Juan was polite and did not interrupt, yet JSS is allowing the defense to pop up constantly. I have not seen this in any trial I have followed. A few objections, perhaps, but never to this extent. :gaah:

Bernina someone made a comment on the other thread that with KN making all those objections and interruptions during Juan's closing, it would make the jury hate the defense even more. Hope so!