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Thanks to all for prayers and jingles, colon cancer can be erased if caught in time. Prayers going her ,way also. Add Johnnys mom (Amys husband) his mom is having surgery on Monday. She must have 1/2 of pancreas (sp) removed. Johnny hasn't said cancer but I am afraid for her. never rains but what it pours..Jingles to all.
 
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It was very cold this AM (19 degrees):coldout: , but now it's 42 degrees- beautiful sunny day :)
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Update on murderer's appeal:

174. 24-Nov-2015 ORDERED: State's Response to Motion to Enforce Protective Order re: Superior Court Ordering Items Unsealed (Appellee)=
GRANTED/Extending the time in which to file a reply to and including 11/20/15. Hon Randall M Howe - Author

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/aacc/1ca/1capartyindex.htm
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Will Scott Peterson conviction be thrown out? (with clip)
Convicted for murder of wife, unborn child in 2005


"...The petitions claims a juror lied on her application and should never have been in the courtroom in the first place.

“One of the jurors evidently lied on her jury application. She said she’s never been involved in a lawsuit. She’d never testified as a witness. Both those things are not true,” Janey Peterson said..."

http://www.10news.com/news/will-scott-peterson-conviction-be-thrown-out-112415

WS thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ott-Peterson-appeals-his-death-sentence/page3
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Supreme Court Tosses St. Louis Murder Convictions for Man on Death Row

"ST. LOUIS (KMOX) – The Missouri Supreme Court has overturned the first-degree murder convictions and the death sentence for one of four men convicted of raping two sisters and throwing them to their death from an abandoned Mississippi River bridge in St. Louis 24 years ago.

The court’s 4-3 ruling on Tuesday sends Reginald Clemons’ case back to circuit court, and gives the state 60 days to either seek a retrial or allow charges to be dismissed..."

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/11/24/missouri-mans-murder-convictions-in-sisters-deaths-tossed/

WS thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?184987-MO-v-Reginald-Clemons
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8-year-old Troy girl killed when she loses control of car she was driving :(

"An 8-year-old girl who was behind the wheel of a car — with her grandfather in a passenger seat — was killed Sunday afternoon when she lost control of the vehicle and crashed in Doniphan County.

The Kansas Highway Patrol identified the young victim as Cadence Orcutt, of Troy...

Cadence, who the patrol said wasn’t wearing a seat belt, was pronounced dead at the scene..."

http://cjonline.com/news/2015-11-23...ed-when-she-loses-control-car-she-was-driving
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California man charged with child's decade-delayed death

"SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — A Southern California jail inmate who abused a baby girl was charged with murder Tuesday over her death a decade later from "shaken baby syndrome."

Christopher Edward Byrd, 39, already had served time after pleading guilty to child abuse. But the Jan. 17 death of Savannah Quake left him open to new charges of murder and child assault causing death, City News Service reported...

Prosecutors say Byrd violently shook 11-month-old Savannah in January 2005 at the home he shared with her mother in La Habra. The mother had left the child in his care for several hours..."

http://www.thereporter.com/general-...-man-charged-with-childs-decade-delayed-death
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The Philip Chism Trial Day 5: The Jury Has Excellent Fashion Sense Edition

http://reallybigmeandog.com/2015/11...the-jury-has-excellent-fashion-sense-edition/
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Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 6h6 hours ago
I know you want me to write a book on #JodiArias and the trial. And I will but I am going to need your help. Who's with me?

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 6h6 hours ago
I think I will reach out to Knooter and see if he can pen a chapter on his experience at #JodiArias trial for the book as well.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 6h6 hours ago
Just so you all know 99.69% of profits would go directly into my pocket. The rest can be split amongst you for helping. #JodiArias

WAT is too funny :hilarious:
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L. Kirk Nurmi ‏@_nurmilaw Nov 23
My thanks to @BethKaras and her members for a great conversation about #jodiarias and the tragic events of June 4, 2008

Tammy ‏@***** Nov 22
Nurmi just confirmed on BK that there was NO text of Travis inviting her over on 6/4. Book says different. #jodiarias
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What’s the Real History of Black Friday?

"It makes sense that the term “Black Friday” might refer to the single day of the year when retail companies finally go “into the black” (i.e. make a profit). The day after Thanksgiving is, of course, when crowds of turkey-stuffed shoppers descend on stores all over the country to take advantage of the season’s biggest holiday bargains. But the real story behind Black Friday is a bit more complicated—and darker—than that..."

http://www.history.com/news/whats-the-real-history-of-black-friday
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Why Does Turkey Make You Tired?
The oldest myth in the book.


"Trick question. It doesn't. The myth that tryptophan, an amino acid found in turkey, makes you sleepy, is just that. A myth.

In reality, tryptophan is found in many protein-rich foods, including nuts, seeds, soy, cheese, eggs, fish and chicken, according to Kim Larson, a registered dietitian nutritionist and spokesperson for the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and owner of Seattle-based Total Health.

"Turkey is not the only food we get tryptophan from, and it’s in relatively average amounts in turkey," Larson said. "It's not the highest source."..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...=Healthy+Living%3Fncid%3Dnewsltushpmg00000003
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How To Avoid A Thanksgiving Food Coma While Eating What You Want
The best advice for beating bloat.


"After eating that enormous Thanksgiving meal, you may want to curl up on the couch (or a stretcher) and moan in belly agony while half-watching football on TV.
Experts estimate the average American consumes upwards of 4,500 calories on Thanksgiving, so it's no wonder a lot of us experience pain after the culinary pleasure..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...=Healthy+Living%3Fncid%3Dnewsltushpmg00000003

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This Note From a Restaurant Owner to a Dumpster Diver Will Warm Your Heart :heartbeat:

"When Oklahoma restaurant owner Ashley Jiron noticed that someone had been rummaging for food in her sandwich shop's dumpster, she didn't call the police or ignore the problem. Instead, she wrote a note for the dumpster diver, inviting them inside for a free meal. "It hurt me that someone had to do that," .."

http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Oklahoma-Restaurant-Leaves-Kind-Note-Dumpster-Diver-37268798

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The Thing That Irrationally Terrifies You, According To Your Zodiac Sign

"...A phobia is an irrational fear, a kind of anxiety disorder in which the phobic person has an ongoing sense of dread regarding a situation, a living creature, place, or thing.

When you have a phobia, you’ll do almost anything to avoid it, and when confronted with it you’ll find yourself in total panic mode.

So, what phobias go with your zodiac sign?..."

http://news.yahoo.com/the-thing-that-irrationally-terrifies-1304344556757046.html

This is mine :dunno:

Leo (July 23 - August 22): Zelophobia, the fear of jealousy.
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David Canary, Star of 'All My Children' for Decades, Dies at 77

"David Canary, who for nearly three decades played the twin brothers Adam and Stuart Chandler on the ABC soap opera All My Children, has died. He was 77.

Canary, who earlier portrayed Candy Canaday, the ranch foreman of the Ponderosa, on the iconic NBC Western Bonanza, died Nov. 16 of natural causes at an assisted living facility in Wilton, Conn., his family announced..."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/david-canary-dead-all-my-843747

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RIP :candle:
 
What a pastor whose wife was murdered can teach us about forgiveness

"The pastor whose young wife was brutally murdered in their Indiana home said Monday that he had decided to “extend forgiveness, not bitterness.”

“Though everything inside of me wants to hate, be angry, and slip into despair I choose the route of forgiveness, grace and hope,” Davey Blackburn said in statement posted on Facebook..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-was-murdered-can-teach-us-about-forgiveness/

WS thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Home-Invasion-Indianapolis-3-*ARRESTS*/page62
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New Yorker gives barefoot homeless woman her shoes on the subway

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...homeless-woman-shoes-subway-article-1.2440107


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Three German Students Surprise a Homeless Guy (video)

http://www.karmatube.org/videos.php?id=5356
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Piglet noticed that even though he had a Very Small Heart, it could hold a rather large amount of Gratitude.
- A.A. Milne -

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CDC says at least 19 E.coli infections linked to Costco chicken salad

"Nov 24 (Reuters) - At least 19 people in seven states may have been infected by E.coli after eating rotisserie chicken salad sold at Costco Wholesale Corp's stores, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday.

Five people have been hospitalized and two have developed a type of kidney failure, although no deaths have been reported, the CDC said. (http://1.usa.gov/1lI5Sgt)

"The epidemiologic evidence available at this time suggests that rotisserie chicken salad made and sold in Costco Wholesale stores in several states is a likely source of this outbreak," the CDC said.

The infections have been reported in Montana, Utah, Colorado, California, Missouri, Virginia and Washington, CDC said..."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cd...ons-linked-to-costco-chicken-salad/ar-BBnoXIU
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Happy Thanksgiving to you too dog.gone.cute

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1972 - Summer Breeze - Seals & Crofts top the charts for today. I'm hoping I can get an internet connection at the hospital on my tablet. Surgery started at 10, and my nephew wants to go be her parents. When he had his heart surgery and stroke they came and sat with us all night. They're up in their seventies, and don't need to be there alone. Prayers and jingle for us today, and I'll be praying and sending jingles for all my imaginary friends too.

Spell, no pecan or pumpkin pie?


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Trapped with Ms. Arias


Section 3

Preparing for the Guilt Phase

in Aug 2009 L thought case was "pretty much set in stone"

more evidence came in

in this section L will discuss:

obtaining new evidence

in chap 14- obtaining text messages
in chap 15- obtaining emails
in chap 16- "the ordeal that was 'The Letters' "
in chap 17- sex tapes
in chap 18 - more info received about TA
in chap 19- "reviewing the murderer's jail phone calls "
in chap 20- "getting past the infamous 'ninja story' "
in chap 21- "importance or lack of the murder weapons"
in chap 22- "Ms. Arias' Supposed guilt phase witnesses"
in chap 23-24- "discuss the important interviews that took place since I obtained the file. A new stone had indeed emerged"
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Chapter 14

The Text Messages


at first, few text messages

were found on TA's phone by Mesa police dept- recovered from his house (found 2-3 days when TA's body found- phone found between 6/9/2008 and 6/11/2008)

case was a " 'who-done-it' " and who had motivation to commit crime (argument? threats?, etc)

received case a "year or so later"- was not a "who-done-it" to him- never believed ninja story "I did not need to determine who did it"

needed all evidence could find "that would demonstrate to a jury the history of the relationship... evidence that relationship itself gave rise to any psychological issues..."

if he didn't seek out the evidence, could be grounds for conviction/sentence being overturned for ineffective assistance of counsel

entitled to text messages by law and State was required to give them to the defense

State did not give all texts to him

2 reasons- could be

-no text messages?

-State not following law?

- knew texts existed- issue became forcing State to comply- "had the State been complying with the law, they would have been turned in already"

needed " courtroom intervention" - filed Motion to Comply - response from State- texts didn't exist

State served search warrant on cell phone co- there were 100s of texts! ("not shocking to me at all")

talks about not receiving texts from phone co himself- State received them 1st- "would have preferred this [received them directly] so I could feel more confident that the messages themselves were unaltered"

"..it is amazing how the State when called out for violating the rules suddenly cares about them when it is to their advantage."

talks about "after several weeks of litigation...weeks of waiting, I had info...that should have been automatically handed over to me when I first received the file" (pg 75)

Note: seems the page #s are screwed up (thought I was going crazy) Chapter 13 ends on pg 89- then next- Section 3 Preparing for the Guilt Phase is pg. 71 :scared:

received many text messages "not spelled out in a cohesive manner"

TA and the murderer texted a lot, every day, often several times day- frequency demonstrated that they were really involved with each other

"demonstrated to me that there was no point in time where Mr. Alexander tried to disengage from Ms. Arias by actually not communicating with her , he either responded
to her text messages or initiated a conversation...instead of wanting nothing to do with her as he told others, the objective data told a much different story, that he was very
into Ms. Arias....further evidence of the reality that Ms. Arias was not a 'stalker ex-girlfriend' but at the very least she was Mr. Alexander's friend and sexual partner"
(pg. 75)

to L texts were "genuine and objective..wrote at a time when neither had an incentive to fabricate.....no secret motive behind them... thinking that nobody but themselves would ever read them"

L thoughts about texts- "Wow this stuff is amazing"- provided him with insight into relationship- a "treasure trove"- illustrated "chaos inherent in this relationship"

talks about some of the texts- TA texted didn't want anything to do with the murderer- next, she was most beautiful : another text- called her a "evil liar" then he

loved her and "was awesome"; another text, TA
"even threatened to destroy Ms. Arias by turning everyone she cared about against her''

"remarkable" to L because they kept talking to each other- relationship was chaotic- TA "didn't hold anything back...was comfortable articulating his anger"

sex was important part relationship (talks about " BJs,mouth hugs", oral sex, spankings, re to anal sex, sexual intercourse, re their genitals) so many texts that they blended together

found it funny- "Funny because in one text Ms Arias was talking about how she groomed her vagina for Mr. Alexander and in the next text she asserted her support for Mitt
Romney in the upcoming election"


other texts found on the murderer's Helio phone (the one she said was stolen)

some texts were very graphic- nude photo shoots TA wanted her to participate in, rape after photo shoot

conclusions he came to: "My overarching thought was one of sadness- so many texts that were non-sexual, loving or downright mundane"- taken as whole, texts made him feel sad

"it was as if I was watching two people running towards a cliff that neither fo them could see but not being able to warn them because it was too late, they had already fallen" (pg 77)

L says that TA and the murderer were "dedicated to the relationship regardless of how unhealthy it was"

questions he had at this point:

- why did they still interact with ea other

- why did the murderer stay after TA had "disdain" for her- why not move on - had Ryan and others

- why continued sexual relationship after break-up

text messages were sent to others also- important to see how they interacted with others

L wasn't interested in TA's business, meeting schedules or other info about the murderer's misc texts

interested in TA's text messages to other women that were sexual- not to "trash " or "bash" the victim

"is it bashing the victim if it is the truth?"- context of massages is the truth- TA sent "graphically sexual messages to other women...in doing so...revealed that he was certainly not a one woman man" (pg 79)

stated that the murderer was not TA's only sexual partner- he was "reliving the moments he spent between their legs" in his texts to them

L states that TA was free to have sex with whomever he wanted and didn't deserve to be killed for having sex with others

BUT...

"However, you are wrong when you say it is not relevant in the sense that the Supreme Court says it is highly relevant to present the circumstances of the offense to the jury in a death penalty case, so relevant in fact that my failure to do so could have led to a reversal...these text messages negate any argument that Ms. Arias is responsible for luring Mr. Alexander into the evils of sex. Now you may believe that this is what she did but the facts, those stubborn things that they are, demonstrate that this is not true." (pg 80)

L states- some text messages were missing "from certain conversations"...intentional?

had concerns that someone deleted some data- could never prove it at the time
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Chapter 15

The Emails and Other Online Communications


State did not comply with rules for handing over emails/other commun- filed Motion to Compel

was ton of emails/online "chats"

also "objective" like the texts were, for same reasons

wonders why they just didn't talk to each other in person/on phone? this was how things were done by younger generation he assumes

but- considered possibility deeper psychological issues that made them less "vulnerable to each other's words"- may never understand tho'

many messages "blended together...a few stood out"

email the murderer sent to friend Abe- became big deal - 2nd trial

"..this email made it clear that at some point in time Mr. Alexander and Ms. Arias had a conversation about the interaction and/or relationship that Ms Arias had with Abe"....TA.."did not approve of any continued interaction between Ms. Arias and Abe. "- TA had "power and control over Ms. Arias"

speaks about online "chats"

-L states most important chat to him : 5/2008 (the "🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, 🤬🤬🤬🤬, 3-whole wonder, corruptive carcass")

- horrible things to say- amazes him that "MS. Arias simply took it and did not return fire by calling him names"...did not.."put an end to the conversation"

- why was TA still talking to 🤬🤬🤬🤬?, why the murderer kept talking to TA?

- conclusion for L- "they were addicted to each other"

another email: stands out to L: 1/2007- TA speaking to Chris/Sky Hughes ( background- Chris/Shy told the murderer to move on because TA "loved Deanna Reid and because he wasn't treating her well" The murderer told TA and he emailed the Hughes)

- "Mr Alexander begins this conversation by blaming Chris and Sky for speaking ill of him and/or bashing him in front of Ms. Arias. He expressed his unhappiness that Chris and Sky Hughes had called him a jerk who was abusive to woman. Mr. Alexander also seemed upset that the Hughes had told Ms. Arias that he was using her for a booty call and that he would never commit to her until he was over his feelings for Ms. Reid." (pg 84)

Hughes decide that they said things because the murderer lied to them

L says facts "as Mr. Hughes put it..in past 5 years" Ta "not committed to one woman..that Deanna was always in the background..." loved Deanna- no commitment tho' and he was "biggest flirt this side of the Mississippi"- TA likes to claims that "the T-Dog pulls chicks"

Chris amused by how TA "would hook up with chicks, get into their hearts and then become disinterested"

Sky said the murderer in love with TA and " to him she was just a booty call"- TA called the murderer a "🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬", she called TA a "heart predator", said TA "took great joy in making women fall for him and laughs about what he could get away with"

Shy also said that she wouldn't want sister to be with TA and would not allow it

"..one of Mr. Alexander's closet friends would be fearful of how he would treat her sister...ponder that statement... and ask yourself, would I want Travis Alexander dating my sister?" (pg 85)
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Next:

Chapter 16
The Letters

Chapter 17
The Phone Sex Tape
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Thanks YoNo for posting these segments and your impression of what Nurmi has written. I read all the texts that have been posted on the BK site, and I never read anything that would support an accusation that Travis was a pedophile. That is where I think Nurmi went too far. I truly believe he suborned? false testimony. I never saw nor heard anything during trial either that would support that claim.

I agree that they were both addicted to each other with the common theme being sex. Once Travis knew his friends did not approve of Heinous, he did become secretive and went "underground" as he calls it. Yes, Travis was living a double life in a sense, however he did not deserve to be brutally murdered for it. IMO
 
Sooooo...what is everyone's plans for Turkey Day? And what are you thankful for this year?

We are going my daughters, be the first time in years since I have not had it and for that I am THANKFUL :)

Enjoy your day CF :)

Home and cooking with my younger son.

I'm grateful for him (and my older son- his wonderfully nice girlfriend) and grateful to wake up each AM.
 
CoffeeJ, you better tell us what that weird pic is .... some kind of potato?

Our Thanksgiving will be simple. We aren't big on Turkey or ham, and with my teeth right now I need soft foods still. Pot pies, mashed potatoes, green bean casserole, candied yams ..... and Key Lime Pie and Chocolate Turtle pie.

Have you tried to make a Chocolate Dream Pie? I make it for the holidays- it's so easy to make and it's delish. (we put Lite Cool Whip on top :facepalm: )

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Morning! :wave:

Daisymae - I too have been watching the "Hunt for Hitler"! Very interesting!! (as the guy on Rowan & Martin's show would say!) :D

:praying: and JINGLES to your nephew's girlfriend ILikeToBendPages!!

and for some reason I can't Thank posts.... :gaah:

coffeejunkie said:
Soooo...what is everyone's plans for Turkey Day? And what are you thankful for this year?

Well... I going to "try" and roast a turkey breast, with the help of the Huz, mashed potatoes with gravy (of course), green beans and chocolate cream pie!! Thankful that my Huz is still around! :happydance: Don't know if the Huz is going to be okay doing the pie - so maybe not - I'm NOT going to attempt that! LOL!

Yuck on that large spider web... :scared: I do NOT like spiders... :hills:

Happy Thanksgiving to you too dog.gone.cute!!

Enjoy your Florida vacation atthelake!! :skip:

:yourock: YESorNO!! Thanks for the excerpts again!!

and :thanksgiving: everyone!!
 

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