SIDEBAR #6- Arias/Alexander forum

[Wishbone]

JM is a good lawyer with a controversial style. Most of the people critical of his style were concerned that he could turn off jurors. Apparently, he did. Jury Foreman made it clear he was offended by JM and he felt sympathy for Jodi during her time under his questioning. No accounting for taste?

You summed it up.

 

[bobloblaw]

JM is a good lawyer with a controversial style. Most of the people critical of his style were concerned that he could turn off jurors. Apparently, he did. Jury Foreman made it clear he was offended by JM and he felt sympathy for Jodi during her time under his questioning. No accounting for taste?

Apparantly Juror #17 loved Juan...

Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 2h @DianaWaschicago yes I loved Juan!!! I knew he was very passionate for the Alexander family! His reaction to the hung jury said it all!

 

[Karmady]

Actually, no laywers in this case wooed me. There is only one who has in recent history and I will not mention his name :silenced:

True Dat!!!!

eta: I never could stand to listen to defense counsel either.

 

[MsJoni]

Yeah, and didn't Bundy charm the pants off 1-2 female jurors during his trial?

No, Bundy received Death penalty in both Florida cases. First trial I watched that was televised.

 

[TexMex]

The thing many people forget or don't realize is that Juan is not there for entertainment purposes, it does not matter if you or I like him. He is there to get a conviction and Justice for the victim. He has a stellar record. Doesn't matter what Josephine Public thinks.

Well said. One thing I admire about the guy is that he was doing two jobs. He was proving Jodi guilty of Felony Premed Murder plus rehabbing Travis's reputation. He proved he didn't break her finger and proved the pedo story was utter nonsense.

 

[ElleElle]

She got there @ 4am, they slept, woke up around noon, Travis checked his texts etc... came back upstairs and they have sex around 1pm imo.

The photos tell the story and computer data tell the story.

Also, it takes about 6 hours to drive from Pasadena (Starbucks where the plates were flipped) to Mesa. The ETA is correct.

The part I do not believe about the middle of the night arrival of CMja is that Travis let her into his bed so soon after she got there.

His text made it plain he no longer trusted her. Why would he let her sleep in his bed and they didn't even have sex right away?

Yes, maybe she still had her manipulative power over him, but it's really hard to believe.

She had to worry the whole time she was there that he might mention to someone else that she was there via phone or text. Put nothing past her is what I say. She orchestrated every detail to fit her story.

I, to this day, do not believe things went down the way it was told by CMja.

 

[ShadyLady]

Yes, I've seen you post that before, I think. Like I said, I understand that my pov is contrary to what most people here believe. But it is definitely what a lot of people who are not here think. Including a lot of the locals. I'm not lying when I tell you that I don't know one single person in my personal or professional life that has said that they like Juan's style and many have said (totally independent from any comment by me) that he has done his case more harm then good considering the mountain of evidence against her. If they're thinking that, and I'm thinking that, and people's moms are thinking that, and the foreman of the jury apparently thought that, then maybe it's worth considering that there might be something to it, imo.

Maybe foreman came in with preconceived notions?

Most people? Broad brush.

He got M1, and from the comments from Bill Z, he thinks poor Jodi was abused and was a perfectly normal woman before she met Travis. Now that says volumes. At least to me.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

For a change of pace that may fit someone's mood.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwEBzhEpr1M"]The Durutti Column - Without Mercy 1 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[OEJ]

Well...we do know Jodi owned Travis a lot of money. She probably brought the $200 for the last two months...and maybe he was grateful she was FINALLY paying up.

I still think part of the reason she killed was related to money and PPL. She was on the hunt for her next victim and did not want Travis messing with her plans.

I have a feeling she owed him way more money than we know. I think between Travis' May 26th text to her and the day she arrived, she pulled another con on him, and he thought they were cool. I believe she brought that check with her with some phony story about how there was more on the way very shortly. I think she might have told him she was going on this wonderful road trip and that she might stop by but she didn't know and would give him a head's up before she did. But, instead, she just showed up unexpectedly.

 

[daisymae]

Last week while doing laundry, after the clothes were dry, I opened the dryer to find I had put the entire box of dryer sheets in there ... and the single sheet was where the box is usually kept. It was indeed the softest load I've ever dried!

 

[bobloblaw]

It's an opinion on his professional style! Not a personal attack ....

Actually when someone says they can't stand him, thats a personal attack, not an opinion on his professional style... Just my opinion...

I had a hard time listening to him and when family and friends came by they couldn't stand him either.

 

[aa9511]

Yes, I've seen you post that before, I think. Like I said, I understand that my pov is contrary to what most people here believe. But it is definitely what a lot of people who are not here think. Including a lot of the locals. I'm not lying when I tell you that I don't know one single person in my personal or professional life that has said that they like Juan's style and many have said (totally independent from any comment by me) that he has done his case more harm then good considering the mountain of evidence against her. If they're thinking that, and I'm thinking that, and people's moms are thinking that, and the foreman of the jury apparently thought that, then maybe it's worth considering that there might be something to it, imo.

This is the same Foreman who kept saying he took "emotion" out of it and only focused on the "evidence," but in the same breath made statements indicating the contrary.

I do not agree that Juan's style was not good for his case. MOO. He was dealing with people who are used to being, "for lack of a better term," SHADY. If he had gone soft-ball and let them ramble on and on, it would have been bad for his case. These are people who, as we saw on the stand, try to deceive people. You cannot go soft-ball on people like that. For example, a straight-forward witness was Dr. Horn. Then you see the difference between Dr. Horn and ALV, Samuels, CMJA, and even Geffner. They are of a different type. He was dealing with a type of people such that he HAD to use that technique.

 

[Fuskier]

For God's sake, there is nothing to prove she raped him.

Why is it so difficult to believe Travis slept with her that day? I know we wished Travis would have completely cut off contact with her on May 26. But he didn't. He was extremely pissed at her but he didn't think she would kill him.

They had sex that day, we've seen those pictures. No, they weren't staged. IMO the crime is even more brutal because they had sex that day and Travis would have never have expected that day's outcome.

We are opening the possibility for different opinions. We cannot establish that the sex was consensual or not. The question posed in the post was hypothetical. It is the murderer's use of sexuality to seduce which is at question here.

 

[AZWatcher]

Apparantly Juror #17 loved Juan...

Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 2h @DianaWaschicago yes I loved Juan!!! I knew he was very passionate for the Alexander family! His reaction to the hung jury said it all!

I loved him, too! My BF thought he was over the top and grating. I loved watching him go after that smug defendant and ALV too..What I was saying was ....different strokes for different folks. Obviously he didn't win EVERYONE on the jury over. Bolded part is not my opinion. It's a fact.

 

[Wagara]

All I know is, if I get killed while visiting California I want someone to drag me across the state line to AZ so Juan can prosecute my murderer!:rockon:

Yes!! Me too!! But if not I would quote what I read previously ... if I were killed I would rather my murderer go free then to have my family go through what Jodi has put the Alexander family through.

WagaraTapaTalk

 

[Lochlynsmom]

They agreed to disagree, lol

Or believed the misguided fm that the judge would decide.

 

[dani]

Something tells me juror 9 won't be tweeting....

You're right! He's still on that train, somewhere in Arizona, with JVM's producer hot on his trail. :floorlaugh:

(I laughed 'til I had tears rolling down when JVM told that story.)

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

I admire JM tremendously, but there were times he made me wince. Other times I wished he'd draw more examples/info out of witnesses like Dr. Horn and Dr. DeMarte than he did. JM was uber-organized throughout, knowing exactly what he wanted from each witness and, when he got it, moving on. If there's a Round 2, I hope he extracts every morsel of goodness from every witness and connects a lot more evil dots re JA for the jurors.

JMO ... I think he hung back on Dr. D and Dr. Handsome because they were true scientists, know what I mean? They were so clinical and unflappable. Dr. Handsome just had the medical facts to explain and that was ok.

But I noticed during Dr. D's testimony that she wanted to talk more about CMja's BPD and I was wincing, screaming, "NO, NO, NO! Don't go theeeeere!" because I felt it would confuse the jury and/or open them to the possibility from the DT that something OTHER THAN PURE EVIL and PREMEDITATION caused her to do what she did.

JMO but I too would have tried to keep Dr. D straight on one path, get the responses and try not to have her leave a thread the DT would see as a place to start tugging.

Dr. Hayes was MUCH better at it because she put it into language the average Joe/Josie could understand.

 

[Karmady]

I don't understand the personal attacks being made on this site anymore.

Just to be clear, I'm only discussing what I and others think of him in court. I don't know him personally and neither do any of the others I referred to afaik. So when I say "can't stand him" I'm not referring to him personally. I have no idea what he's like outside the courtroom.

 

[Angelina Frost]

Maybe foreman came in with preconceived notions?

Most people? Broad brush.

He got M1, and from the comments from Bill Z, he thinks poor Jodi was abused and was a perfectly normal women before she met Travis. Now that says volumes. At least to me.

ITA. The foreman's word is about as credible a source as Dr. Samuels at this point. Fruit of a poisonous tree.

Regardless, it was his job to render an impartial decision in spite of whatever negative feelings he might have had about JM's style. His comments clearly indicate his bias had nothing to do with JM and everything to do with his need to fashion a cold-blooded killer into a damsel in distress who was just like the rest of us prior to her meeting TA.

I half expected him to say, "I know she murdered him, but she must have had her reasons."