SIDEBAR #7- Arias/Alexander forum

[outofstatelawyer]

O/T Hi Outofstate, can JM use the interview that inmate A's friend Patricia gave to news media where she said that yes she had threats but she also indicated that she was ambivalent about speaking for her friend given what JA did? thanks

No, because it's hearsay. Now if Patti shows up and testifies for the Defendant it "might" be used to impeach her live testimony (it would be a prior inconsistent statement) but since Patti didn't say very much, I doubt it could be used.

 

[Dana]

Thanks. I was wondering whether she was to be called as an expert or just as a lay rebuttal witness. I thought that maybe she was just a lay witness and that she was known to currently work as a fraud specialist at a bank based on google searches once her name was found out. If the former, I'd agree that it would probably have been significant. If the latter, she could just be someone with knowledge about the case who just happens to have that job.

Do you remember her name? I've seen all the rebuttal lists but the very last one. Is that the one she was on?

The woman from the bank's name is Suzie Dittman. Is that who you're inquiring about?

 

[DairyGirl]

I don't think any prisoner "needs" to be kept in perpetual solitary confinement. Cruel and unusual punishment means it's cruel and unusual for anyone. Perpetual or long term solitary confinement is cruel and unusual punishment. There's no getting around that. A human being cannot survive those conditions without losing their mind. It's legally cruelty to keep a dog that way, so why in the world is treating a human being that way considered acceptable? It was the US that taught other countries that this sort of treatment of prisoners is cruelty, and now we do it ourselves.

The death penalty also needs to go. How is it logical that the punishment for killing someone is to kill them? Either killing is bad except for self-defense/defense of another or it isn't. Capital punishment is based on revenge, not punishment or rehabilitation. There is no logical reason why a prisoner guilty of the most heinous crimes can't just be confined to prison for the remainder of their life. Nothing is gained by killing them other than getting revenge. Just as subjecting a prisoner to cruel and unusual treatment like solitary confinement has no logical purpose other than revenge.

Treating human beings with decency and the basics of human needs is a requirement of any just and civil society. Otherwise we become what we claim to despise.

Like most people, I detest the idea that prisoners get to have adequate food, medical care, a roof over their heads, sanitation and basic human dignity when so many poor or ill don't. But that doesn't mean we're treat our prisoners too WELL it means we treat our poor or ill too BADLY.

If you had a dog that tried to kill people when it gets mad would you try to rehab it? Or put it in a cage, alone because it also could kill other dogs? Would you want that dog around your child after an attempt to rehab it or because it served it's time? Or what if that dog was able to escape it's confinement and attack again. Wouldn't you want that dog to be isolated from other people and animals? Or just put down to eliminate any possibility that it get loose and do more destruction?
For me the DP isn't about revenge, it's about protecting society from any possibility of their return to society. And make no mistake, JA can and will kill again given the opportunity. I'll bet she has a list a mile long for her hoped for release. She had no problem killing Travis and then going about her life like nothing happen, not a shred of remorse for anyone but her. If anything she has probably used her trial to pick up pointers on how to get away with it next time. I don't want her punished as much as I want the rest of us protected.

 

[polleypockets]

Alexa ‏@Alexarenee1 3m

@tarakelley320 Tara How did you feel about the pedophilia accusation by Jodi and the defense? #jodiarias #justicefortravis
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Tara Kelley Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 2m

@Alexarenee1 disgusting and ridiculous! I asked her for proof in my questions to her! Of course she said she didn't have any!

 

[aa9511]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-jurors-sentenced-death-matter/story?id=19259867

Here's the link for GMA interview with 3 jurors.

 

[bellaalex]

Because JM has to pick a new jury real soon. Apparently older men are disposed to feel sorry for JA. I've said before, most trial experts will tell you that cases are usually won or lost during jury selection.

I completely agree. There are often people hired by both sides specifically to choose/recommend jurors. During jury selection, the defendant is normally present. I wonder if the jurors saw JA then and formed impressions even before the trial.

If there had been different alternates or if the 3 jurors were never dismissed, the outcome may have been very different.

 

[Karmady]

The woman from the bank's name is Suzie Dittman. Is that who you're inquiring about?

yes, thanks. You don't happen to know whether she was to be called as an expert, document custodian or lay witness, do ya?

 

[polleypockets]

Rose ‏@SJCheermom 3m

@tarakelley320 @espy25 @JustifyTravis @DrDrewHLN @MarkEiglarsh have u spoken to the jurors that deliberated and if so do u think they tried
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Tara Kelley Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 2m

@SJCheermom @espy25 @justifytravis @drdrewhln @markeiglarsh some tried really hard!!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I kind of feel badly for the foreman (ducks) and the others who voted for LWOP (ducks again). My opinion only is that it's easier to say that you are in favor of the death penalty and that you could vote for it than it is to sit through a grueling five month trial and then vote for it. The three jurors on GMA this morning also stated that when they first walked in to the courtroom, they couldn't believe Jodi was the defendant, that she had an "innocent look". I think the foreman thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to speak to the press (as he was probably getting deluged with inquiries and yes, it seems he has or had a wish to be high-profile) and let's face it, don't we all want to hear from all of them? I don't think he went to these interviews thinking he'd be receiving death threats from sharing his views.

I know this is a very minority opinion on here - please don't hurt me

On a lighter note - are we sure that Juror #7 (Paul Rudd) is married? He is cute!

They need to ask these jurors if they are capable of reasoning without emotion and if they understand basic logic. Better yet, test them in some way. The public's safety depends on it.

 

[MeeBee]

Perhaps he saw Juan's sarcasm as talking down to them, like the whole "what's a girl to do?" and the skateboarders with screwdrivers thing. I guess I can understand that but not sure why he'd take that personally since Juan was clearly not talking down to them but to Jodi, using sarcasm to outline the ridiculousness of her story. Since he felt something for Jodi, though, that may be our answer.

So glad this guy was at least able to think logically and give her M1, in light of what we've learned (convinced this was also the juror asking the sympathetic questions, like, "did she snap?" and "large scale public accusation?" which also gave me pause at the time because, if he was obeying the admonition, how would he know how large scale the accusations were?)

 

[rose222]

I'm following juror 17's tweets although I don't have an account myself. She says some tried really hard during deliberations. Of course. Imagine 8 jurors who would not back down. Poor Nancy.

 

[21merc7]

They need to ask these jurors if they are capable of reasoning without emotion and if they understand basic logic. Better yet, test them in some way. The public's safety depends on it.

Not every human is capable Horace...

 

[Sweet Fox]

The day they called a mistrial I watched them getting on the bus. I think it's 3 males and 1 female..

-2nd juror to get on the bus, woman in white smiling, the foreman, and older bald male in dark blue shirt. Based solely on their body language. Out of all the jurors they seem to be in the best of spirits given the circumstances, while the rest either look PO'ed, or like they are carrying the weight of the world on them.


http://www.azcentral.com/video/2405490606001#top

I also think it's 3 males and 1 female based on the same reason.

-6th juror to get on the bus, the woman in white, the foreman, and older bald male in dark blue shirt.

 

[MidwestMama]

I was just thinking. What if the next trial is NOT televised?? Oh no, I so want to watch it. It could happen. Please say that it won't.

If it isn't maybe we can get tweets from our WS court watchers!

 

[21merc7]

Perhaps he saw Juan's sarcasm as talking down to them, like the whole "what's a girl to do?" and the skateboarders with screwdrivers thing. I guess I can understand that but not sure why he'd take that personally since Juan was clearly not talking down to them but to Jodi, using sarcasm to outline the ridiculousness of her story. Since he felt something for Jodi, though, that may be our answer.

So glad this guy was at least able to think logically and give her M1, in light of what we've learned (convinced this was also the juror asking the sympathetic questions, like, "did she snap?" and "large scale public accusation?" which also gave me pause at the time because, if he was obeying the admonition, how would he know how large scale the accusations were?)

One of many points you are sharing here. I've had neighbors tell me they simply did not like an attorneys attitude and display, so they chose to vote against the theatrics. Scary to hear and to know.

 

[kpm]

Perhaps he saw Juan's sarcasm as talking down to them, like the whole "what's a girl to do?" and the skateboarders with screwdrivers thing. I guess I can understand that but not sure why he'd take that personally since Juan was clearly not talking down to them but to Jodi, using sarcasm to outline the ridiculousness of her story. Since he felt something for Jodi, though, that may be our answer.

So glad this guy was at least able to think logically and give her M1, in light of what we've learned (convinced this was also the juror asking the sympathetic questions, like, "did she snap?" and "large scale public accusation?" which also gave me pause at the time because, if he was obeying the admonition, how would he know how large scale the accusations were?)

I honestly am shocked that he did vote M1 after listening to him. Thank goodness !

 

[Maryann123]

Is there more than one, the foreman, yet, who felt sorry for her?


IIRC, most of the Pinellas County jurors who spoke and let off FKA were pretty young and very ignorant, at least the ones I saw who were all over the news (young female and male). I don't know the age range of those jurors, but making generalizations in this case is premature, IMO, unless I've missed a lot.

You've missed nothing, and you made an excellent point. Ignorant old people, were once ignorant young people. Grumpy old people were once grumpy young people. Age has nothing to do with common sense. Either you have it, or you don't. Health problems would change that, but I don't believe any of these jurors had age related illnesses. My opinion.

 

[TXProfessional]

I completely agree. There are often people hired by both sides specifically to choose/recommend jurors. During jury selection, the defendant is normally present. I wonder if the jurors saw JA then and formed impressions even before the trial.

Bella, thanks for this. I was wondering about that, i.e., whether or not the jurors would have seen her during jury selection. So I have the same question but more specifically did the JF form his impression at that time.

 

[kscornfed]

Angie Lewis ‏@lilangiepangie 1h

@tarakelley320 I would love to hear the reason Juror 5 got kicked off.
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Tara Kelley Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 19m

@lilangiepangie she made a comment that someone overheard! I am waiting to see if she speaks out about it!
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Teresa Pruitt Teresa Pruitt ‏@tpruitt52 4m

@tarakelley320 @lilangiepangie what did she say???
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Careyanne Careyanne ‏@careyanneb 3m

@tpruitt52 @tarakelley320 @lilangiepangie said "$300/hr 4 an expert, u wld think they'd get us more comfortable chairs!!" Not a big deal IMO
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Tara Kelley Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 1m

@careyanneb @tpruitt52 @lilangiepangie yes that's what was said!

yep, as most of us knew, it was not a big deal but of course, the DT pitched a fit and out of an abundance of caution, the judge had to boot her.

i knew it would be something dumb like that.

 

[MidwestMama]

I kind of feel badly for the foreman (ducks) and the others who voted for LWOP (ducks again). My opinion only is that it's easier to say that you are in favor of the death penalty and that you could vote for it than it is to sit through a grueling five month trial and then vote for it. The three jurors on GMA this morning also stated that when they first walked in to the courtroom, they couldn't believe Jodi was the defendant, that she had an "innocent look". I think the foreman thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to speak to the press (as he was probably getting deluged with inquiries and yes, it seems he has or had a wish to be high-profile) and let's face it, don't we all want to hear from all of them? I don't think he went to these interviews thinking he'd be receiving death threats from sharing his views.

I know this is a very minority opinion on here - please don't hurt me

On a lighter note - are we sure that Juror #7 (Paul Rudd) is married? He is cute!

I agree, to a point. When the GMA interview came out and he was being bashed, I stuck up for him. I thought all he said in THAT interview could be explained/understandable. But then he went and proved me wrong with the things he said in further interviews.
I agree it is far easier to say you would give the DP than to actually do it. I don't know if I actually could, even if I knew it was deserved, because of some conflicts inside of myself. Therefore, I would TELL THEM THAT in questioning to avoid putting myself (or the jury at whole) in that position.