SIDEBAR #7- Arias/Alexander forum

[MeeBee]

ITA. He outed himself. I was really worried when I heard the question about the convicted murderer showing signs of PTSD after having "her privacy invaded." That was really late in the trial. And this guy was the foreman. Still having trouble processing this.... :facepalm:

That was totally his question.

 

[panthera]

When someone commits a crime of this magnitude, lack of criminal history shouldn't be a facor. She took her sweet time planning this murder, carrying it out and killing him three times over so who cares if she's never had a DUI, bounced a check or stolen a candy bar from the 7-11.

Agree. What she did to Travis was enough overkill for three or four murders.

MOO

 

[thefragile7393]

BBM--Not the same at all. The Pinellas-12 acquitted Casey Anthony.

IMO

And who agreed with that decison? Definitely not the majority of people. Who respects this guys decison? Definitely not many. Regardless if the crimes are the same or not my point was people don't have to respect decisons made by individuals or juries because of the reasoning behind them.

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[ElleElle]

Juror #17 speaks out.

"Tara Kelley, one of the alternate jurors has been tweeting answers to peoples questions via twitter. Here is some of what she has to say:"

http://mixedbagblog.com/2013/05/26/juror-17-answers-questions/

 

[Apollo]

Yes, did you read the instructions to the jurors?

"The jurors must consider whether there were mitigating factors that would warrant Arias getting life in prison. Here are the factors that Arizona law says the jury can consider as "mitigating factors":

1. Arias' capacity to appreciate the wrongfulness of her conduct or to conform her conduct to the requirements of law was significantly impaired, but not so impaired as to constitute a defense to prosecution
2. She was under unusual and substantial duress, although not such as to constitute a defense to prosecution
3. Arias was legally accountable for the conduct of another, but her participation was relatively minor, although not so minor as to constitute a defense to prosecution
4. Arias could not reasonably have foreseen that her conduct in the course of the commission of the offense for which Arias was convicted would cause, or would create a grave risk of causing, death to another person
5. Arias’ age

They also can consider these points:

• Cooperation with police/investigation
• Lack of prior criminal record
• Difficult childhood or family background
• Family and community ties
• Lack of intent in Felony murder
• Good character prior to murder
• Intelligence and education (often times lack of education is a mitigating factor)
• Good conduct in prison
• If victim's family asks for leniency
• Possibility of rehabilitation, will convicted be a danger in the future
• Shows remorse, grief "

Source: http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/05/16/what-could-save-jodi-arias-life


We all have emotions, but this is the justice system, the rules must be followed. :notgood:

Right--it says they are the factors they CAN consider. It doesn't say they HAVE to take into account she has no criminal history. They have the right to feel that the madnitude of crime she commited far out weighs the fact she has no criminal history and it's not important to them. That may have been the thinking of the 8 that voted for death---they were following the rules.

 

[ElleElle]

Just because you find a mitigating factor (Jodi having no criminal history was just a fact) you aren't obligated to vote for life. You have to weigh it against the crime.

I know, but obviously 4 jurors found mitigating factor(s), no?

That's all i'm saying.

The jurors were not on WS, HLN, whatever source 24/7 since trial began- we were.

I'm not sure why this is so complicated to understand. Not saying you MeeBee, but everyone is going off on some jurors and why? Each to their own. Because there was a hung jury, no DP yet.

IDK- I guess I don't invest my emotions to much into other people's opinions and spew that comes out of their mouths. Sorry... rant over. :seeya:

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

There is no proof that any "threats" we're made. We only have the word of the foreman and his son and, frankly? I don't believe either of them.

Yep, just as there was never any proof of threats against Patti or ALV.

 

[TexMex]

I have thought the same thing....and remember her dropping the bomb that the ninja did try to shoot her but it just went click?

She completely made it her survival story, like, you said, forget about the guy shot unable to feel his legs....it's all about JA dontcha know, she survived after all....feel sorry for her not Travis!

Ugh I get so mad !

I think it shocked her when Flores calmly says, "I don't believe you". She thought he'd hug her and say, "Thank God! You're ok!"

 

[Jane Jetson]

Please can some one answer a few questions for me....my earache of 1 1/2 years decided to flare up and I have not been reading.

or send me to the right area to find answers...

Thanks so much

1. What happened to Donovan?

2. Why were FJA family not at final court hearing?


Again...thank you very much

[Respectfully snipped] So sorry about your ear - that can really be painful! Hope it's better soon.

1. Donovan is still alive and kicking, and was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in April of 2012. Here's a song that relates to the topic at hand: [video=youtube;JAzTnsSgs2s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAzTnsSgs2s[/video]

2. The best answer I've heard is that CKJA can hardly plead neglect if her family is there every day. One person, at least, felt it was a ploy that could be used when and if another penalty jury was empaneled.

(#1 was a joke. :floorlaugh

 

[ElleElle]

Agree. What she did to Travis was enough overkill for three or four murders.

MOO

imo, some of the jurors felt sympathetic towards Jodi, that is wrong to me.

The killing 3 x's over (throat slash) and the premedetation would have been enough for me to give her the DP.

I'm just saying it's easier to look from outside in then from the inside out. :twocents:

 

[ElleElle]

Right--it says they are the factors they CAN consider. It doesn't say they HAVE to take into account she has no criminal history. They have the right to feel that the madnitude of crime she commited far out weighs the fact she has no criminal history and it's not important to them. That may have been the thinking of the 8 that voted for death---they were following the rules.

:seeya: So, 4 were not following the rules? How can it be unanimous then?

Sorry, I don't mean to be a pain, but maybe i'm lost in translation. lol

 

[kscornfed]

When someone commits a crime of this magnitude, lack of criminal history shouldn't be a facor. She took her sweet time planning this murder, carrying it out and killing him three times over so who cares if she's never had a DUI, bounced a check or stolen a candy bar from the 7-11.

I totally agree. It shouldn't be a mitigating factor in a case like this. No weight given by me. Not when someone commits their first offense in such a shockingly gruesome fashion. I really don't care that it's her first time, thanks very much.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Juror #17 speaks out.

"Tara Kelley, one of the alternate jurors has been tweeting answers to peoples questions via twitter. Here is some of what she has to say:"

http://mixedbagblog.com/2013/05/26/juror-17-answers-questions/

Love her, very down to earth! Good sense about her, I wish there were 12 more like her about to be seated in this jury!

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I've never tried it...just have to get the gravy hot enough to cook the shrimp...so I guess so..
First place I had Louisiana style BBQ shrimp was at Pascal's Manale in NOLA

My best friend gave me a copy of Paul Prudhomme Louisiana Kitchen in 1984 and it was one of the first and still favorite I did. His is very close to yours. And a good french bread for sopping is a must.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The threats are disgusting.

I'll thank foreman for his murder 1 with aggravator.

He should have called it quits when he felt he couldn't handle making a decision, let an alternate take his spot, not threw his hands up and say it shouldn't be his job.....hoping the judge would do it for him.






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[kscornfed]

Lots of :scared: going on here, it was nearly worse than watching the trial.

Ammonitida was spot on about having a clear pro-defense juror on the panel though. Hearing from him now, that panic was totally justified because I have no CLUE how the State secured a murder 1 conviction.

Listening to this guy, I am half ready to believe the 15 hours deliberating the guilt phase were talking this guy down from buying manslaughter.

Hmmmmm......I think he was there to save her life.

 

[Maryann123]

ITA. He outed himself. I was really worried when I heard the question about the convicted murderer showing signs of PTSD after having "her privacy invaded." That was really late in the trial. And this guy was the foreman. Still having trouble processing this.... :facepalm:

I read somewhere that he was the one that asked the bear/tiger question. When I heard that question, it freaked me out. Then, when Dr. D answered the question, I was more freaked out. I thought she should have passed on that question without knowing exactly what the juror was getting at. Dr D was slamming Dr Samuels for using the test answers to which Jodi was basing her answers on the Ninja story. So, this question was asking....so what? Regardless of whether it's a bear or a tiger attacking you, you would still answer the same way. I didn't like the question. I didn't like the answer.

 

[thefragile7393]

When someone commits a crime of this magnitude, lack of criminal history shouldn't be a facor. She took her sweet time planning this murder, carrying it out and killing him three times over so who cares if she's never had a DUI, bounced a check or stolen a candy bar from the 7-11.

All criminals have a lack of criminal history at some point. Like JM said we shouldn't have to keep them out in society until they kill several ppl. If, for instance,Ted Bundy had been caught and convicted very likely that would have been his only murder.

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[Angelina Frost]

I totally agree. It shouldn't be a mitigating factor in a case like this. No weight given by me. Not when someone commits their first offense in such a shockingly gruesome fashion. I really don't care that it's her first time, thanks very much.

Count me in. :seeya:

Lack of criminal history. K. So....since this was her first offense, you know..stabbing a man 29 times, nearly decapitating him and shooting him in the face, but that's ALL she's ever done. No prior pops for jaywalking, no grand theft auto, not so much as a parking ticket. Just this one murder.

That makes zero sense to me.

 

[ElleElle]

Love her, very down to earth! Good sense about her, I wish there were 12 more like her about to be seated in this jury!

ITA ~ I can't wait to see her on Dr. Drew. She sounds like she has common sense and saw right through Jodi as we have.