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Does anyone here think Donovan or Ann will drive to visit her once a week? Who will she have? Darryl is on her 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 list now for calling her a liar, disrespectful, manipulative and evil, besides he's not coming back to AZ anymore.

Would you be able to elaborate? Is there a link for this? Woud appreciate the info.
 
I hope they negotiate. I wonder too, ALV and Samuals can clearly not return, but Geffner may I guess.

What good was Geffner?
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I can't remember a thing he said that made any difference.
He was not qualified to give his opinion on the sequence of events,
regarding gun or knife first either, as he is not an ME.
All I remember about him is a lot of spilling of his water.
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The only gun and knife that is relevant to the case is the gun and knife that killed Travis. Any other guns or knives that Jodi had have nothing to do with the case. She could have had an aresenal of guns and a kitchen full of knives but if none of them were the murder weapons (and none of them were) they've immaterial.

Why in the world should the prosecution be allowed to even mention a gun she had in her car that was not the one that killed Travis or knives in her car that were not the ones that killed Travis? Just because she had them and they were in her car doesn't have anything at all to do with the case. They're irrelevant.

Besides, it was already known that she disposed of the murder weapons somewhere on her way from Travis's house to Utah. She testified to having disposed of the gun that way, and it's logical that she also would have disposed of the knife that way not wanting either one of the murder weapons with her in case she got caught. The prosecution already had no reason to attempt to bring in the knives in her car as one of them being the possible murder weapon (the Barretta was the wrong caliber so couldn't have been), so why would they even WANT to mention the Berretta and the knives in her car when they agreed that she disposed of both weapons she used to kill Travis somewhere on her way from AZ to UT? The Berretta and knives in her car have nothing to do with the case since they weren't the murder weapons, and the prosecution AGREED that they weren't.

They may be relevant in the case of she is not so gun shy as she portrayed herself....moo
 
Yeah meaning no more long days in court! No more cameras! Poof she's gone

Yes. Let the people in Arizona deal with it. It's their state, after all. This young woman has to face her consequences. I'm not a blood-lust person, and to tell you the truth, some of the media-engendered hysteria about this case has disgusted me.

Let 'er go.
 
Because it proves to me she was out on another 'adventure' and that she should be put away for good. And as far as juror 18 saying he didn't know they would get a hung jury I say ignorance of the law is no excuse. He had the instructions, did he not read them or listen to the judge when she read them? He in my opinion is just like Jodi. Blaming someone else (JM) for his stupid decisions.

Why would a harmless little waif have those weapons in her car and have them hidden. A gun and knives. Her weapons of choice. I think it is very relevant because it speaks to her personna and if she can ever be a functioning member of society. And no they were not used in the crime, she had moved up a knotch in her gun of choice. jmo

Jodi was on trial for killing ONE person. It doesn't matter what the gun and the knives in her car "prove" to you. They have nothing at all to do with the case, and she wasn't on trial for being a possible serial killer. The prosecution doesn't even believe that since they believe that she killed that ONE person because she wanted him, couldn't have him, he was looking for someone else to marry, and she killed him in a jealous rage. The prosecution also agreed that she disposed of the gun and knife used to kill Travis somewhere along the way from leaving his house and going to Utah, so they have no REASON to attempt to bring up the gun and knives in her car that weren't the murder weapons. The prosecution attempting to make Jodi appear as a potential serial killer would be stupid because it would look desperate as if there wasn't enough evidence that she did kill that one person she was on trial for killing.

You're free to believe whatever you want to believe about Jodi and why she had the gun and knives that were not the murder weapons in her car, but they have nothing to do with what she was on trial for, and they don't say anything about her character - she had the right to own a gun and a set of kitchen knives, and there isn't anything nefarious about her having them in her car unless you WANT to believe that. People keep their guns in the car all the time, and when one is transporting a set of kitchen knives it would be a normal thing to have them in the car.

The prosecution's job in this case was to get a guilty verdict for her especially cruel killing of ONE person, and even attempting to paint her as a potential serial killer just because she had a gun and knives in her car that were not the murder weapons would be stupid and desperate of them and not what the prosecution believed about her and the killing of that ONE person she was on trial for in the first place.
 
Because Jodi had the 9mm and several knives in the rental car when she was arrested, along with the rest of her belongings. Unfortunately those items do have a bearing on this case. Jodi was on her way to kill/harm someone when she was arrested. Question is, who was it? This female was on her way to becoming a serial killer.

Also, was it not shown to the jury in the interview with Flores that Jodi had the 9mm that she bought legally after she killed Travis? I was pretty sure that it was. And if it was shown to the jury then the State did not agree that the 9mm and several knives were not important to the case of the murder of Travis Alexander.

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they did know abut the 9mm gun she bought iirc she brought it up in her testimony first saying she got it cuz she was going on that cmping trip w/ the purple plum guys - for safety :facepalm: - and then later she said she got it to commit suicide
 
Does anyone here think Donovan or Ann will drive to visit her once a week? Who will she have? Darryl is on her 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 list now for calling her a liar, disrespectful, manipulative and evil, besides he's not coming back to AZ anymore.

Can you elaborate please? Are there any links for this? A video ect. I would love to see it.
 
I've been meaning to post this since yesterday, but got busy with some other things. I can't find it buried amongst the threads, but ElleElle posted a transcript of a voice mail left on the Judge's voicemail; I believe it was in regards to Juror # 5's supposed "coaching" of JA on the witness stand. This FLOORED me because I can VIVIDLY recall reading the *ahem* you-know-who is innocent website awhile back & they were discussing this! That one of them was in the court room, supposedly saw this "coaching" (uh huh, suuuuuuure) and everyone there was encouraging this person to call the Judge. Do they (meaning the court) investigate these things at all or can anyone call willy nilly & make such claims??
 
they did know abut the 9mm gun she bought iirc she brought it up in her testimony first saying she got it cuz she was going on that cmping trip w/ the purple plum guys - for safety :facepalm: - and then later she said she got it to commit suicide

And she brought knives, in case she missed. Right. If you are going to kill yourself why hide the gun that your parents already know you have?????
 
How exactly was Juan going to prove that it was not Travis? I know, get Daryl on the stand and pull a defense trick.......ask him about it, browbeat him until he admitted that yes it was in fact his male part. In a trial, like in life, you have to pick your battles. This was not one that was worth Juan's time to really fight over. Especially when the bigger picture was the fact that Jodi stabbed Travis at least 27 times, slit his throat from ear to ear and shot him in the face.

There was also, btw, no evidence or testimony that the pic was on Travis' phone. Only the word of a known liar and her defense team.

I think that's the point. Jodi was framing him or trying to make him jealous or setting it up to use it in court, just in case. But I believe she caused it to be on her phone, not Travis. And she caused it to be on her phone for her own diabolical reason(s)
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Does anyone here think Donovan or Ann will drive to visit her once a week? Who will she have? Darryl is on her 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 list now for calling her a liar, disrespectful, manipulative and evil, besides he's not coming back to AZ anymore.







Can you elaborate please? Are there any links for this? A video ect. I would love to see it.

deedee21, were you asking for the Darryl Brewer interview? Here is the interview.

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/articles/20130520jodi-arias-darryl-brewer-interview.html
 
Yes, there is confusion. I think Juan needs to make things clearer in his next go-around. I thought JW did a good job in conveying to the jurors that they didn't have to use only the 8 mitigating factors they presented -- they could use other factors. I am confused about what these "other" things could be. I don't think it can just be a free-for-all. That would not make sense. There is a way to do it under the law, but it's just that apparently no one knows how.

To open up everything, I don't see how that's possible under the law. For example, what if someone says I don't believe in the death penalty...I think it's up to God to take someone's life and not me? Well, that is obviously not allowed in a death-qualified jury. Once they are in that jury box, they HAVE to go by what the law of their state says. Furthermore, if a mitigating factor is allowed by law, it has to be substantially proven by the defense. JSs said that means "more often true than not true." IMO, by law that would mean there was NO verbal abuse, because what the defense showed was just one text exchange, and to me that does not meet up to the standard, more often than not. Even if one takes that text messge as verbal abuse, it's still fact based on the evidence, that Travis was NOT verbally abusive more often than not abusive.

So there is some law aspect of it involved in the penalty phase. I thing right there is what Juan needs to make MUCH MORE CLEAR to the next jury. That they cannot go about making up their own laws, even in the life/death stage.

You might want to re-watch the 10 minutes of this youtube from about the 55 minute mark. JM explains that even if someone finds there are some mitigating factors they need to be weighed against horrendously cruel murder JA committed and already found guilty of M-1 Premeditated. I can't wait to find out how the Foreman was selected. I think we might find he nominated himself. The way the foreman decides carries a lot of weight, more than his one vote.

Jodi Arias Trial Day 61 Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrAKwvOT4Uw
 
How exactly was Juan going to prove that it was not Travis? I know, get Daryl on the stand and pull a defense trick.......ask him about it, browbeat him until he admitted that yes it was in fact his male part. In a trial, like in life, you have to pick your battles. This was not one that was worth Juan's time to really fight over. Especially when the bigger picture was the fact that Jodi stabbed Travis at least 27 times, slit his throat from ear to ear and shot him in the face.

There was also, btw, no evidence or testimony that the pic was on Travis' phone. Only the word of a known liar and her defense team.

ok that pic confused me, when it was initially brought in by the DT who "accidentally" flashed the pic to the jury, and juan objected, long side bar and after that i thought the pic was never brought in as evidence or talked about, but then nurmi brought it up in closing?? did i miss something???
 
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