Sidebar Discussion #4

[bayouland]

Can't help but think that by her doing all this, wasn't in some way to get an early release from her probation, you know, for 'security reasons'? And then this closed hearing happened, the Judge ruled and the information was put out to the media, so now, even more of a reason to cause havoc. She might be trying on purpose to run scared, once again try to run away from the problems that always surround her. ACK:banghead:!

I have the same fear.....anything to get rid of the problem. I work in Government and can tell you that it works that way.

 

[krkrjx]

Wait a minute, are you referring to the statement that George stole panties - that isn't defamatory?

You're saying that you can make up any lie you wish about a person, launch it to the public and it isn't defamatory? :waitasec:

It isn't defamatory if a guy stole panties as a prank in high school or college. That has been known to happen, even with the gals sometimes cooperating.

What can be defamatory is to speak of it years later but not provide adequate qualifiers, i.e, specifically and clearly stating it was years ago and as part of a prank rather than making it sound as if he has done (and possibly is doing) this as an adult. If anyone reads it and comes away with the idea that a man might be stealing personal items from women he doesn't know, or women in his neighborhood, etc., without their knowledge and as some sort of sickness...then it is defamatory and IMO is meant to mislead.

It's wrong, and it's irresponsible for professionals to lead people's opinions in this way.

ETA: Sorry if I am not with the conversation at this point; I am seriously behind in my reading.

 

[MaryAnn]

Port St. Lucie citizens threaten to boycott business if they hire FCA. Owner says it was a joke.

http://www.demotix.com/news/1007614/strip-club-manager-harassed-over-casey-anthony-joke-job-offer

That is pretty bad if you can't even get a job as a stripper. :floorlaugh:

KARMA FCA!!

 

[Spice]

Yes. I believe a true minister is one who has spent 4 years of his life in a college learning how to minister his faith and certainly not of someone who did not want to invest their time and energy but decided to jump right in. How do you do a professional job without the educational background.

I think that anyone who counsels should have a proper education and should be certified, and not an online certificate, not just draw on their own life experience. jmo

Just want to clarify that I don't know that he hasn't studied theology or Christianity in an academic way.

A poster asked if " a person had to go to college" to become a minister/preacher/pastor and I responded that anyone with the desire, resources, and werewithal, could open the doors and lead a religious establishment.

I have no idea of what Pastor Camp's academic background is regarding his leadership in that church.

Does anyone know? Did he get a higher education in relation to religion or Christianity?

 

[octobermoon]

I think churches of all kind are coming under much more scrutiny than they used to be, particularly since we found out how many pedophiles have been sheltered, protected and moved around to avoid prosecution.. they are not above inspection or honest criticism.

I live in the bible belt of the rockies. And dear old Ted (iamnotgay/methuser) Haggard is still here. :sigh:

 

[jon_burrows]

I just wanted to bring this post forward again because it makes so much sense to me. This looks like something JB set up with his buddy JLyons and it just might have worked if not for those "unedited" videos and pictures leaking out showing that KC has not changed a bit. I bet they did ask her to make personal video blogs as part of the media deal they were going to market. It appears as though that first one was her attempt at being all quiet and introspective...you know, learning valuable lessons from her new found spiritual journey. But of course it was just an attempt...that would be a tough one for her to pull off. But then the subsequent ones that got released seemed to be a show for her admirerers. And somehow those admirerers got a hold of them, plus pictures and sent them out to the WWW. If this is the case no wonder JB was so mad and appears to have left the scene.

MOO

I think we're on the same page. Looking back, I think the rumors of FCA living with Dottie and studying Buddhist Meditation came straight from the defense camp. Diversionary tactics...look here, no look here. Dottie knew the $#%@ was going to hit the fan and she wanted out. They were all still holding out for the big pay day.

IMO

 

[natsound]

Oh goodness, someone on twitter thinks he knows KC's phone number and he's given it out.

 

[Sleuths4Me]

MY POINT OF ALL OF THIS below is for the people who are out there believing Casey’s lies (people who are now her supporters)....from her own hand is a version of Casey’s truth.....yet another “truth” that is very, very different than what was presented to the world at trial. For people who did not read the discovery, these letters were not introduced at trial. Why? I don’t know. TO ME - these should have been used at trial to contradict JB’s opening statement. Since he was more or less testifying as to what Casey said happened, these letters testify as to statements she made in jail.
But for the record, people need to know that it is there, and that is one of the MANY, MANY reasons most of the posters here at WS know what happened at trial was just another lie that fooled 12 gullible people. And continues to fool people.
This is more or less therapy for me, as I still cannot accept that she walked out of that courtroom a free woman. So I apologize in advance, I know this is a dead issue, but I still want the truth about Casey Anthony to be known to the world and NEVER FORGOTTEN.

From doc dump of letters WRITTEN BY CASEY TO BFF COOKIE. This was the Casey 1.2 I guess you would say....BEFORE the defense started concocting the "George did it" defense:


QUOTE:
I’ve had to forgive what happened to my Caylee, but I’m still angry. If it weren’t for God, screw where I’m sitting now, if it weren’t for him and for my unconditional love for my daughter, I would end whoever is responsible. It’s not my battle. You want to know something, I know that Caylee’s nanny, the “real” Zenaida, the girl who was my friend for 4 years, I know in my heart that she’s not responsible and I don’t blame her for not showing her face. ....but outside of myself and my legal team, not a soul knows this. I was going to take Caylee and move away. Unfortunately, my plans got beyond tangled when Zany wouldn’t tell me where she and Cays were. I had asked her to take Cays for a few days so I could put the rest of our stuff together, money I had saved, new clothes, new everything. That’s why I waited to report her missing, because she was and wasn’t.

can M& M use these in the ZG case?

 

[Sherbie]

Among all the other bizarre "rules" of that church, I found this bit especially troubling:

"... Possible exceptions to this rule include the reporting of criminal offenses to the proper authorities (beginning with the Elders)..."

In other words, come to US before going to LE. Gee, I wonder why.

 

[NocturnalLady]

MY POINT OF ALL OF THIS below is for the people who are out there believing Casey’s lies (people who are now her supporters)....from her own hand is a version of Casey’s truth.....yet another “truth” that is very, very different than what was presented to the world at trial. For people who did not read the discovery, these letters were not introduced at trial. Why? I don’t know. TO ME - these should have been used at trial to contradict JB’s opening statement. Since he was more or less testifying as to what Casey said happened, these letters testify as to statements she made in jail.
But for the record, people need to know that it is there, and that is one of the MANY, MANY reasons most of the posters here at WS know what happened at trial was just another lie that fooled 12 gullible people. And continues to fool people.
This is more or less therapy for me, as I still cannot accept that she walked out of that courtroom a free woman. So I apologize in advance, I know this is a dead issue, but I still want the truth about Casey Anthony to be known to the world and NEVER FORGOTTEN.

From doc dump of letters WRITTEN BY CASEY TO BFF COOKIE. This was the Casey 1.2 I guess you would say....BEFORE the defense started concocting the "George did it" defense:


QUOTE:
I’ve had to forgive what happened to my Caylee, but I’m still angry. If it weren’t for God, screw where I’m sitting now, if it weren’t for him and for my unconditional love for my daughter, I would end whoever is responsible. It’s not my battle. You want to know something, I know that Caylee’s nanny, the “real” Zenaida, the girl who was my friend for 4 years, I know in my heart that she’s not responsible and I don’t blame her for not showing her face. ....but outside of myself and my legal team, not a soul knows this. I was going to take Caylee and move away. Unfortunately, my plans got beyond tangled when Zany wouldn’t tell me where she and Cays were. I had asked her to take Cays for a few days so I could put the rest of our stuff together, money I had saved, new clothes, new everything. That’s why I waited to report her missing, because she was and wasn’t.

Getting the truth out there is never a dead issue. :clap:

 

[octobermoon]

Among all the other bizarre "rules" of that church, I found this bit especially troubling:

"... Possible exceptions to this rule include the reporting of criminal offenses to the proper authorities (beginning with the Elders)..."

In other words, come to US before going to LE. Gee, I wonder why.

:waitasec: sounds like Penn State to me but what do I :waitasec:

 

[essies]

Among all the other bizarre "rules" of that church, I found this bit especially troubling:

"... Possible exceptions to this rule include the reporting of criminal offenses to the proper authorities (beginning with the Elders)..."

In other words, come to US before going to LE. Gee, I wonder why.

Ya know FCA made a HUGE mistake by outing herself and losing her hidey-hole!! This church looks like it would have gone to the wall for her!:waitasec:
Closet thing to living on Hopesprings Dr.!!:innocent: IMO

 

[NocturnalLady]

You wanted SNEEZES... you got SNEEZES. Along with a whole lotta CRAZY.
This must be the first reference about the messages from God to Casey.

Letter to BFF Cookie:

...No matter how I feel, I get so much satisfaction from a good beat, or powerful lyrics. Peace. Memories. I look at my pictures of Caylee so many times throughout the day and can’t help but smile at my little Rock Star. I miss her, more than I can ever express in words. Somedays the tears just won’t end, and others, I cant stop giggling and sighing and smiling because of her beautiful smile, big hazel eyes and the belly laugh that still remains in my ear. (I just sneezed my confirmation from God. I’ve been doing that a lot lately. Very rarely do I just “sneeze” anymore. It tends to follow a thought, action or spoken word-prayer, praise, even the occasional joke. Rarely can I blame my whacky allergies on them. One of the few things I actually like the cold weather for it stiffles my allergy attacks. I do like wearing cute boots and a leather jacket. And hats. Mittens. I want a leather bomber jacket......
(AND FADE INTO A WHOLE BUNCH OF CRAZY....)

I'll post more sneezy stuff as I find it. Stay tuned.

I'll never get over the way she can just ramble on and on and on. It's insane. This is a huge insight into what goes on in her mind. I wish the people who think Casey got away with murder by out smarting everyone would read these letters. Casey couldn't out smart a flea! That's why her circle of friends was constantly changing - as soon as people wise up to her she moves on. I'll never believe Casey is some kind of criminal mastermind - I mean come on! Her lies are so stupid and outrageously transparent.

 

[Sherbie]

Ya know FCA made a HUGE mistake by outing herself and losing her hidey-hole!! This church looks like it would have gone to the wall for her!:waitasec:
Closet thing to living on Hopesprings Dr.!!:innocent: IMO

That they consider the church leadership the first and most important "proper authority" to notify of crimes is downright frightening. Reading their rules puts me in mind of an FLDS type situation. Truly concerned for members of that group, especially children.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

can M& M use these in the ZG case?

I don't know. I would think so and I would think they would be useful in Tim Miller's case. By her own handwritten account, she was still blaming ZFG at this time. And I do know Civil laws are different from Criminal laws as to what is/is not admissible.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I'll never get over the way she can just ramble on and on and on. It's insane. This is a huge insight into what goes on in her mind. I wish the people who think Casey got away with murder by out smarting everyone would read these letters. Casey couldn't out smart a flea! That's why her circle of friends was constantly changing - as soon as people wise up to her she moves on. I'll never believe Casey is some kind of criminal mastermind - I mean come on! Her lies are so stupid and outrageously transparent.

I had printed out some of them and had my DD read them last night...she looked at me with the most incredulous look on her face. She said "she is crazy".....It is most apparent in the early letters where she didn't realize they would be released in the media. After that, she went into cover-up/diversion mode. My daughter said "you should write a book showing all of these inconsistencies with what happened in court". I believe someone could do just that....because people who believed that crapola DID NOT follow this case like we did and know all of the bizzarro-world stuff that came out over the course of 3 years. While I loved, loved, loved JA's book, it was an "on the surface" kind of innuendo thing. But when you print it side by side....it shows the truth of the matter. IMHO.

 

[Spice]

That they consider the church leadership the first and most important "proper authority" to notify of crimes is downright frightening. Reading their rules puts me in mind of an FLDS type situation. Truly concerned for members of that group, especially children.

Remember when Jose said she was staying somewhere where and working on her spirituality? He never said Dottie. Just spirituality.

This is part of the major Karma coming her way. She may have Got out of jail and away with murder but....there are no money deals coming her way, just a place to stay with an extremist religious leader and a built in community of brainwashed wackadoos to accept her and keep her company.

If it were me, I would lose my MIND. God only knows what is going on there and what is expected of her in exchange for her "safe shelter".

In my opinion, this will only exacerbate her disordered personality and make it worse. And that pastor better start praying very hard, because no one escapes a relationship with Casey unscathed or in one piece.

No one.
JMO.

 

[Sherbie]

I don't know. I would think so and I would think they would be useful in Tim Miller's case. By her own handwritten account, she was still blaming ZFG at this time. And I do know Civil laws are different from Criminal laws as to what is/is not admissible.

I guess the old, "Were you lying then or are you lying now?" line would have to be modified for her.

Were you lying then...or then...or then...or then...or then...

 

[cyberborg]

Well, Eric would be the one. November to August is 9 months.

I so wish that KC's jail house letters are pulled out if ever KC does an exclusive interview and used to ask her which story is correct, the one she is telling now or the one she told then.

I agree that everyone needs continually reminding of KC's evolving stories and she needs to be confronted with them and held to account.

Pick a version KC and stick with it.

 

[lowens1975]

Funny...he says Baez hasn't represented her for months...

Cheney Mason: Jose Baez no longer Casey's attorney

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/cheney-mason-jose-baez-no-longer-caseys-attorney/nGWNp/

Short article:

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. —

One of Casey Anthony's attorneys, Cheney Mason, confirmed on national television that her lead attorney, Jose Baez, is no longer Casey's attorney.

After weeks of speculation, Mason said on "In Session" Thursday night that Baez hasn't been representing Casey for months.

But when WFTV checked the clerk of courts website, Baez had not filed a notice that he's no longer representing her.

Mason said he and Lisabeth Fryer are representing Casey in her appeal and her probation.