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I think we should be careful in our judgement of this church. None of us know with any certainty what their true motivation may be. I want to believe they are innocent and well intentioned but I can also see that the entire situation is ripe for abuse.

Time and the church's actions will reveal their motivation soon enough. I'm going to wait to see what they do before I say any more. . . "You will know them by their fruits."
 
As another poster astutely pointed out: What kind of church asks members to alert "The Elders" of any crimes committed before alerting Law Enforcement. No way is that normal in any way.

Major MAJOR MAJOR red flag.

Just my opinion.
 
As Sherbie astutely pointed out: What kind of church asks members to alert "The Elders" of any crimes committed before alerting Law Enforcement? No way is that normal in any way.

It begs the question of Why do they need and demand so much control?

Major MAJOR MAJOR red flag.

Just my opinion.
 
Remember when Jose said she was staying somewhere where and working on her spirituality? He never said Dottie. Just spirituality.

This is part of the major Karma coming her way. She may have Got out of jail and away with murder but....there are no money deals coming her way, just a place to stay with an extremist religious leader and a built in community of brainwashed wackadoos to accept her and keep her company.

If it were me, I would lose my MIND. God only knows what is going on there and what is expected of her in exchange for her "safe shelter".

In my opinion, this will only exacerbate her disordered personality and make it worse. And that pastor better start praying very hard, because no one escapes a relationship with Casey unscathed or in one piece.

No one.
JMO.

I understand a pastor trying to minister to those perceived to be most in need. So I wouldn't knock it if it weren't for the bizarre nature of this "church" leadership and doctrine. Any organization that needs to micromanage and control their members to the extent laid out in those rules is mighty dangerous, IMO.
 
Yup. Anyone with the money, resources, personality , and werewithal can start a church or a place of religious worship. No education needed. Their success would depend on their ability to lead or to get people to "believe in them" and create a loyal flock.

In my opinion, this is how some preachers and pastors come to be. It is all about magnetic personalities and charisma (for better or worse) and has very little to do with having studied theology in any academic way.

No offense intended to anyone, but in my opinion, that is the gist of what I would see as the darker side of religion. There are always people that are ready to believe and people that are more than ready and willing to capitalize on that blind faith.

There is a lot of money and attention in it for the preacher/pastor and some (not all) are nothing more than snake oil salesmen. I'm not saying that his guy is or isn't but from what I am reading on his website regarding his church, I consider him a controlling extremist. (Every religion has them) And if there is one thing in the world I do not trust and am suspicious of it is an extremist. That applies to any extremist in any context and not just religion.

I would not be so quick to believe that this guy is innocently trying to "save" her or is so pious that he can see past what she has been accused of. He is getting something out of risking his reputation by hiding her there. It could be sex, a book deal, it could be money, it could even be aspirations of future fame. Narcissism and sociopathy can be behind it, the need for power and constant adoration. Who gives that more than a flock of loyal followers? Followers that could be "admonished" and thrown out of the community at anytime for transgressions that he has outlined from his perception of the bible.

Whatever it is, I am not inclined to believe that it comes from a place of enlightenment. I know my opinion sounds cynical but I am just not buying it for one second.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
I understand a pastor trying to minister to those perceived to be most in need. So I wouldn't knock it if it weren't for the bizarre nature of this "church" leadership and doctrine. Any organization that needs to micromanage and control their members to the extent laid out in those rules is mighty dangerous, IMO.

Exactly. That place does not "read" like the average church. Not at all.
 
Just want to clarify that I don't know that he hasn't studied theology or Christianity in an academic way.

A poster asked if " a person had to go to college" to become a minister/preacher/pastor and I responded that anyone with the desire, resources, and werewithal, could open the doors and lead a religious establishment.

I have no idea of what Pastor Camp's academic background is regarding his leadership in that church.

Does anyone know? Did he get a higher education in relation to religion or Christianity?

His Bio is here
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/bio.php?authorid=116
 
As another poster astutely pointed out: What kind of church asks members to alert "The Elders" of any crimes committed before alerting Law Enforcement. No way is that normal in any way.

Major MAJOR MAJOR red flag.

Just my opinion.

I think like many questionable churches out there-it's more the leadership, Elders, of the church that need the scrutiny more so than the congregation. They are the ones who write the doctrine and church rules-while most of the congregation, in these types of churches, are just seekers of what they feel is the way to their God.
But, you're right-red flags for sure! And fertile ground for misadventure!!:twocents:
 
NancyGraceHLN Nancy Grace
Sounding off on Tot Mom Casey Anthony reported $1M offer... what do you think?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viSt_Gquz2E"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viSt_Gquz2E[/ame]
 
I think we're on the same page. Looking back, I think the rumors of FCA living with Dottie and studying Buddhist Meditation came straight from the defense camp. Diversionary tactics...look here, no look here. Dottie knew the $#%@ was going to hit the fan and she wanted out. They were all still holding out for the big pay day.

IMO

It's funny but if you go back and put all the rumours together it pretty much adds up to what eventually came out. I remember JB talking about her being somewhere "spiritual". I also remember a rumour about being her with a family with children. I think the sightings of her in Port St Lucie rumour was out very early on but was discarded. I'm sure there were a couple others that were actually true but I can't think of them at the moment.

Now if all the rumours had come out as one big rumour at the same time she would have been found long ago. I wonder if DD eventually put them all together or if she got even more info from the admirers. :waitasec:

But when JB used the word "spiritual" and because of DS's connection to that Buddhist Meditation Camp, KC being there was the rumour that had staying power and DS nor the defence team did anything to dispute it. DS could have bailed long ago and at least put out something to indicate that KC was not at her camp so she could get the heat off it. (I'm sure there was some action around there looking for her) I guess once the truth was about to come out though DS did decide enough is enough, we're not making anything off this albatross and got the heck out of dodge.
 
So no he has no formal theological or ministry academic background. He went to school for Business Law/Music Production.

Thanks so much for the link!

I thought he had 7 kids? Not 5.
BBM
I believe 2nd wife has 2 children.:waitasec:
 
So no he has no formal theological or ministry academic background. He went to school for Business Law/Music Production.

Thanks so much for the link!

I thought he had 7 kids? Not 5.

That's an old bio. I believe he's on a second marriage. Could be a blended family or a younger wife who has since had a couple of children with him.

MOO
 
It's funny but if you go back and put all the rumours together it pretty much adds up to what eventually came out. I remember JB talking about her being somewhere "spiritual". I also remember a rumour about being her with a family with children. I think the sightings of her in Port St Lucie rumour was out very early on but was discarded. I'm sure there were a couple others that were actually true but I can't think of them at the moment.

Now if all the rumours had come out as one big rumour at the same time she would have been found long ago. I wonder if DD eventually put them all together or if she got even more info from the admirers. :waitasec:

But when JB used the word "spiritual" and because of DS's connection to that Buddhist Meditation Camp, KC being there was the rumour that had staying power and DS nor the defence team did anything to dispute it. DS could have bailed long ago and at least put out something to indicate that KC was not at her camp so she could get the heat off it. (I'm sure there was some action around there looking for her) I guess once the truth was about to come out though DS did decide enough is enough, we're not making anything off this albatross and got the heck out of dodge.

I couldn't agree more. They got her a computer in October and it took her no more than three months to blow her own cover. Her "supporters" on the internet used her and couldn't keep it to themselves. Either that or she used them as a VECTOR :wink: to get her duckface out there again because she was desperate for publicity and attention.

Whatever the case, it all fell apart when she was given unlimited access to the interwebz.
 
So no he has no formal theological or ministry academic background. He went to school for Business Law/Music Production.

Thanks so much for the link!

I thought he had 7 kids? Not 5.

I think this was written a few years ago. The article states they were living in TN when his bio was written. He does have 7 now.
 
I wonder if that one was drafted in preparation for her arrival :floorlaugh: It makes no sense as you point out. I assumed they were operating on forgiveness as well. They are a scary group. You know my thoughts have been as to what MCA may do to this Family and/or Congregation. It just dawned on me if this Pastor isn't operating with all oars perhaps FCA has met her match.

bbm this was my thought the instant I read through the "church" website.

this group is to god as scientologists are to thetans IYKWIM.

ETA one wonders (well I do at least) if mr mason is responsible and in a backwards kinda way, he knows exactly what he's doing.
 
It's funny but if you go back and put all the rumours together it pretty much adds up to what eventually came out. I remember JB talking about her being somewhere "spiritual". I also remember a rumour about being her with a family with children. I think the sightings of her in Port St Lucie rumour was out very early on but was discarded. I'm sure there were a couple others that were actually true but I can't think of them at the moment.

Now if all the rumours had come out as one big rumour at the same time she would have been found long ago. I wonder if DD eventually put them all together or if she got even more info from the admirers. :waitasec:

But when JB used the word "spiritual" and because of DS's connection to that Buddhist Meditation Camp, KC being there was the rumour that had staying power and DS nor the defence team did anything to dispute it. DS could have bailed long ago and at least put out something to indicate that KC was not at her camp so she could get the heat off it. (I'm sure there was some action around there looking for her) I guess once the truth was about to come out though DS did decide enough is enough, we're not making anything off this albatross and got the heck out of dodge.

Agree - also CM made a point of saying JB is not her lawyer. My guess is JB is trying to get the media deals. JB was treading on thin ice negotiating the deal with abc for 200k while he was her attorney. He won't make that mistake again.

MOO
 
Totally - you rock! I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed the revisit to those letters. It's like peeking into the mind of and entitled and overindulged 12 year old.
 
It's funny but if you go back and put all the rumours together it pretty much adds up to what eventually came out. I remember JB talking about her being somewhere "spiritual". I also remember a rumour about being her with a family with children. I think the sightings of her in Port St Lucie rumour was out very early on but was discarded. I'm sure there were a couple others that were actually true but I can't think of them at the moment.

Now if all the rumours had come out as one big rumour at the same time she would have been found long ago. I wonder if DD eventually put them all together or if she got even more info from the admirers. :waitasec:

But when JB used the word "spiritual" and because of DS's connection to that Buddhist Meditation Camp, KC being there was the rumour that had staying power and DS nor the defence team did anything to dispute it. DS could have bailed long ago and at least put out something to indicate that KC was not at her camp so she could get the heat off it. (I'm sure there was some action around there looking for her) I guess once the truth was about to come out though DS did decide enough is enough, we're not making anything off this albatross and got the heck out of dodge.

JB used the word 'spiritual' for the press. We don't really know who is posting here or any other site. The DT could be dropping hints here and there on different sites to steer us in one direction or the other.

IMO
 
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