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[BBB167893]

In any case, what is it people think their telephone records would have revealed?

Possibility: calls to a lawyer before the 911 call.

 

[Shae]

Here is a cached page of the old Websleuths with lots of comments/posts regarding the possible Anthony Shore/JonBenet connection. It's good reading! Very interesting......I, too, would love to know where he was back in 1996. I was going to search online for Boulder County Court Cases just to see if he had any civil or criminal record there, but it's a pay site & I'm not going to pay.

Anyway, here's the link.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-36551

This is my first post here (I have been a long time lurker). I went to the old websleuths site and was reading through when this comment from thelmadawg caught my attention.

Is this a sample of Shore's handwriting? Where it says "no photo yet" on the drawn graphic? Not sure if that's his handwriting. If it is, it doesn't appear to match the Ramsey ransom note - the "no photo yet" has very straight lines, not the curvy wormy lines in the ransom note.
http://www.todesstrafe-usa.de/death...es_tx_shore.htm
Is that a victory sign he's flashing?! I.E. the ransom note, Victory - SBTC. While I agree at first glance the "curvy" aspects of the ransom note are dissimilar, it's likely (perhaps possible is a better word) that the writer conciously altered his normal writing style


That link didnt take me directly there for some reason, if you have problems google http://www.todesstrafe-usa.de shore
Go to the second link down

If you look closely at the picture it does look like a victory sign. Also have a look at this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_cross

You use the same three fingers (on the right hand) to make the sign of the cross. The whole saved by the cross, Victory! idea is very interesting in this drawing, especially with the Texas written on his t-shirt (use that good southern common sense of yours) Sorry in advance if i have linked anything wrong here or anything else, This is my first ever post on a forum, LOL.

I wonder if this guy did get checked out in relation to this case?

 

[Solace]

Of course you get records from the telephone company, but the implication yesterday was that the Ramseys should have provided those records or that they and the DA were instrumental in the records not being provided.

Did you see the conversation yesterday about the fact that police officers get search warrants from judges - not from DAs?

And, I'm still not sure that local telephone numbers were recorded in 1996. Long distance numbers, yes. But for local calls only the total number of minutes was recorded - if I am not mistaken.

There you go spinning again. I never said the DA signs off on a search warrant. I said, and I repeat, that the DA, especially in a high profile case such as this, okays the the going to the Judge for a supoena. He specifically told Steve Thomas that there was not enough cause to arrest them. And lets not forget that Steve Thomas was not allowed to testify before the Grand Jury.

 

[Show Me]

I doubt the telephone company would have released the records without a search warrant as a matter of policy. However, the Ramseys could have requested copies of their "records" and turned them over to LE. Do we know that LE asked the Ramseys for copies of the records?

And, again I don't think local calls were recorded by the telephone in 1996 - just the minutes of use, i.e., for purposes of billing measured local service.

In any case, what is it people think their telephone records would have revealed?

Calls from a monitoring murderous kidnapping foreign faction pedophile.

I'm sure the killer would call the number ahead of time to make sure it is working. You'd think someone who wanted to do anything to find the killer will quickly offer their phone call records on ALL phones.

 

[IrishMist]

I posted on here somewhere that I thought he was incarcerated at the time of JonBenet's death. I was wrong. He wasn't arrested until October 2003.

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2003_3702644

ETA: You may have to register to read this. If you don't want to, you can get a good sign-in at Bugmenot dot com

 

[Alexi]

Hi all - first time poster here.

Regarding the original thread subject, a couple of similar cases come to mind as being similar at least in some aspects to the JBR murder case. One is the Jaclyn Dowaliby (also discussed on this forum).

The other, I just heard part of, and I was hoping someone else remembered it. It was on A&E's Cold Case Files. A young girl was raped and strangled to death in her own bedroom while her parents slept in the room next door! This crime was solved in 2004 or 05 I think - 15 years after the crime!

I find this interesting because, first, it gives hope that the JBR case may still be solved and, second, it would have spanned the time of JBR's murder.

Anyone else familar with this case?

Alexi

 

[Eagle1]

Hi all - first time poster here.

Regarding the original thread subject, a couple of similar cases come to mind as being similar at least in some aspects to the JBR murder case. One is the Jaclyn Dowaliby (also discussed on this forum).

The other, I just heard part of, and I was hoping someone else remembered it. It was on A&E's Cold Case Files. A young girl was raped and strangled to death in her own bedroom while her parents slept in the room next door! This crime was solved in 2004 or 05 I think - 15 years after the crime!

I find this interesting because, first, it gives hope that the JBR case may still be solved and, second, it would have spanned the time of JBR's murder.

Anyone else familar with this case?

Alexi

I just know about the same you do about this, and hope you get an answer. I'd like to know more about it too.

You're not referring to the other case in Boulder, I know, where a 14-yr old girl from the same dance school (Dance West) as JonBenet was acosted in her room, but her mother heard something and came with Mace. The intruder jumped from their balcony. Her father was out of town at the time, and if I remember correctly their alarm was either not on, or the intruder came in via the balcony. but there were no footprints in the frost on JonBenet's balcony, according to ST.

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

Here is what the wiki says about prusik knots:



There are some pictures of the knot at the above link as well.

TREE SWING!!!

MY GOODNESS, that is a tree-swing knot!!!

It took me a few seconds, as I have never looked at a photo of the actual type of knot. Then, I remembered having to make a knot like that recently (in the last few years). It is the type of knot you use to tie a child's tree-swing to the limb of the tree. I am sure of it!

Did JBR and Burke have a tree swing? And did Patsy put it up??? Perhaps? Did LE check on this?

 

[christine2448]

Jaclyn Dowaliby Alexi

Hiya Alexi! Thanks for posting. Interesting. I looked this up, and I found this

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/depts/clinic/wrongful/exonerations/Dowaliby.htm

The step dad and mom were charged, mom got not guilty, dad got conviction but it was later reversed. I didn't know all of this.

 

[christine2448]

Hiya Alexi! Thanks for posting. Interesting. I looked this up, and I found this

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/depts/clinic/wrongful/exonerations/Dowaliby.htm

The step dad and mom were charged, mom got not guilty, dad got conviction but it was later reversed. I didn't know all of this.

This is also relating and VERY interesting, seems there may be more child deaths relating?

 

[Show Me]

I just know about the same you do about this, and hope you get an answer. I'd like to know more about it too.

You're not referring to the other case in Boulder, I know, where a 14-yr old girl from the same dance school (Dance West) as JonBenet was acosted in her room, but her mother heard something and came with Mace. The intruder jumped from their balcony. Her father was out of town at the time, and if I remember correctly their alarm was either not on, or the intruder came in via the balcony. but there were no footprints in the frost on JonBenet's balcony, according to ST.

Seems the only thing the two cases had in common was the girl and JB attended the same dance school.

 

[JMO8778]

Hi all - first time poster here.

Regarding the original thread subject, a couple of similar cases come to mind as being similar at least in some aspects to the JBR murder case. One is the Jaclyn Dowaliby (also discussed on this forum).

The other, I just heard part of, and I was hoping someone else remembered it. It was on A&E's Cold Case Files. A young girl was raped and strangled to death in her own bedroom while her parents slept in the room next door! This crime was solved in 2004 or 05 I think - 15 years after the crime!

I find this interesting because, first, it gives hope that the JBR case may still be solved and, second, it would have spanned the time of JBR's murder.

Anyone else familar with this case?

Alexi

it was on unsolved mysteries,but he took the girl from her bed and raped and killed her somewhere else.It was portrayed in the movie that way, too.He took her wrapped up in the comforter that was on her bed.
I think it turned out to be her uncle,who had mental problems and had someone lying for his alibi,which they later found out.
I think this is an entirely different type of case though.

 

[Alexi]

Hi JMO,

I respectfully disagree - the differences in the Jaclyn Dowaliby are not all that great in so far as any of us knows. Neither crime has been solved - the Dowalibys and the Ramseys could still both be guilty. Or they may all be innocent.

The crime you from Unsolved Mysteries is not the same second crime I heard about. This was on Cold Case Files, and the girl was definitely molested/raped and strangled in her bedroom. I just wish I had been listening more closely.

I've heard about the second case in Boulder. Interesting that the father says he asked the BPD about a possible connection between his daughter's intruder and the JBR murder and they pretty much brushed him off.

Guess they'd already made up their minds.

 

[BBB167893]

Or they were being advised by the big guys.

 

[JMO8778]

Hi JMO,

I respectfully disagree - the differences in the Jaclyn Dowaliby are not all that great in so far as any of us knows. Neither crime has been solved - the Dowalibys and the Ramseys could still both be guilty. Or they may all be innocent.

that's ok,I respect your opinion,but there isn't any evidence against the parents in the JD case;not so with the JB case,starting with that ridiculous long-winded rambling ransom note,which I think PR should have just signed , 'Love,Patsy',not to mention the pineapple,and so on.

The crime you from Unsolved Mysteries is not the same second crime I heard about. This was on Cold Case Files, and the girl was definitely molested/raped and strangled in her bedroom. I just wish I had been listening more closely.

ok,I misunderstood then.

 

[JMO8778]

Or they were being advised by the big guys.

yea,that's it !!

 

[Toltec]

JAR was a rock climber and Patsy said that she was going to place JonBenet in a class.

My guess is that JAR knew how to tie prusik knots and like any big brother, would teach his little brother Burke.