Simple question...

[BBB167893]

If Sir Voynich doesn't want to tell you something you don't know, I can.

I'll bet.

And you know I'm good for it.

I REALLY wish you didn't give me set-ups like that.

It starts with you telling me what you believe is a 'fat cat'.

That's easy: a big-time businessman who uses his power to enrich himself and screw everybody else.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I'll bet.



I REALLY wish you didn't give me set-ups like that.



That's easy: a big-time businessman who uses his power to enrich himself and screw everybody else.

Got any famous examples from lore or fiction?

 

[cynic]

...it's not the science that limits our arguments anywhere NEAR as much as it is the gutlessness of the politico-prosecutors who couldn't be bothered to follow up on any of it.
...The greenest rookie on a BEAT would be expected to do the kinds of things that were refused in this case!

:clap:

 

[BBB167893]

Got any famous examples from lore or fiction?

Well, just off the top of my head:

Mr. Burns from The Simpsons

Lex Luthor, Superman's enemy

Ebenezer Scrooge

Mr. Potter from It's A Wonderful Life.

Noah Cross from Chinatown

A LOT of Ayn Rand characters

Jack Donaghy and Devon Banks in 30 Rock

Where are you going with this, anyway?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Well, just off the top of my head:

Mr. Burns from The Simpsons

Lex Luthor, Superman's enemy

Ebenezer Scrooge

Mr. Potter from It's A Wonderful Life.

Noah Cross from Chinatown

A LOT of Ayn Rand characters

Jack Donaghy and Devon Banks in 30 Rock

Where are you going with this, anyway?

Please note that two of your suggestions are directly related to Christmas, and one is fairly related.

Scrooge is where I am going with this. Were these really off the top of your head for 'fat cats'?

 

[BBB167893]

Please note that two of your suggestions are directly related to Christmas, and one is fairly related.

I know. I had thought about mentioning that, but I figured, "why beat them over the head?"

Scrooge is where I am going with this.

Then talk plain. Just say what you're thinking. (Maybe you can spare some thoughts for the "rookie on a beat" post, too.)

Were these really off the top of your head for 'fat cats'?

Sure. Are you insinuating something?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I know. I had thought about mentioning that, but I figured, "why beat them over the head?"


Then talk plain. Just say what you're thinking. (Maybe you can spare some thoughts for the "rookie on a beat" post, too.)



Sure. Are you insinuating something?

You're talking in code. Why beat who over the head? Who is a rookie on the beat?

I thought I was very clear. You're the one who said Scrooge. He's a fat cat, according to you. He's also a Christmas character. A coincidence. I also thought you don't believe in coincidences.

 

[Ames]

Same writer?Don't analyse,what does your first instinct tell you?

They are identical. Look at the way the e is squared off at the bottom. Yes, it's the same writer. And this is not to mention, the way that Patsy and the RN author put little hooks at the end of their letters with a tail...like Y's for example.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hey SD get a load of this:

I have always had a problem thinking of an intruder, who wasn't known to the child, committing this murder. I considered Elizabeth,however, her sister saw the intruder,then Polly whose intruder was hardly stealth, the other girls witnessed her abduction, and Danielle, which was the oddest of all. Westerfield, who was balding, had a mustache, and was drunk, managed to slip into the house while parents were home, climb those stairs, quietly remove her, not waking her parents or brothers,even the dog wasn't alarmed, and yet, not a fiber, not a hair, not a fingerprint of his was found in that house. Is this not amazing!! Of course Westerfield didn't leave a ransom note, because likely an adult who commits this type of crime has no reason to leave one,not when his only motive is murderous lust. What kind of person needs to leave a ransom note? A person who fantasizes about kidnapping? A person who didn't admit to himself that he was going to kill her? ....and why is that note so personal, asking for John's bonus, mentioning his business, showing his hate for "fatcats", clearly saying, I took her, I killed her, because you have it all and you didn't share.
It sounds like tiny tims father ,given a temper and a sociopathic personality could have "dunnit" as retribution for the injustices, or tiny tim himself protected by his parent who "understands".

You're probably thinking 'get a load of what', right?

There ARE some parallels between 'A Christmas Carol' and JBR's murder that others besides myself have noted.

 

[Chrishope]

What a load of ........

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

More coincidence: In 'A Christmas Carol' there are two characters that are never referred to as anything except 'two gentlemen'. They were snubbed by Scrooge.

 

[Chrishope]

You've convinced me. Charles Dickens did it.

 

[DeeDee249]

I never trusted that Tiny Tim, either...

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I never trusted that Tiny Tim, either...

Tiny Tim is the __________________ of JBR?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No, really. In "A Christmas Carol" there are 'two gentlemen' that are never referred to as anything but 'gentlemen'. They have no names. In a play script, they would be Gentleman 1 and 2.

And they were snubbed by Scrooge.

Narrator
Ebenezer Scrooge
Jacob Marley, his late partner
Ghost of Christmas Past
Ghost of Christmas Present
Ghost of Christmas Future
Bob Cratchit, his clerk
Mrs. Cratchit
the Cratchit children:
Martha
Peter
Belinda
a Cratchit Boy
a Cratchit Girl
Tiny Tim
Fran, his sister
Fred, his sister's son
Fred's Wife
Charity Gentleman #1
Charity Gentleman #2
Schoolmaster
Mr. Fezziwig, his former boss
Belle Fezziwig, his former fiance
Tut, Belle's husband
Man With A Monstrous Chin
Another Man
Third Man
Man With Red Face
Wealthy Man #1
Wealthy Man #2
Charwoman
Old Joe
LaundressVicky
UndertakerBR> Caroline, Poor Wife
Poor Husband
Intelligent, Fine Lad
Children's Chorus
Fred's Guests, other demons, etc...

 

[DeeDee249]

Tiny Tim is the __________________ of JBR?

You just never know, do 'ya? It's always the sweet, innocent looking ones you have to watch out for. Maybe his crutch was the murder weapon.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You just never know, do 'ya? It's always the sweet, innocent looking ones you have to watch out for. Maybe his crutch was the murder weapon.

Tiny Tim is the antithesis of JBR. Exactly opposite.

 

[Chrishope]

You just never know, do 'ya? It's always the sweet, innocent looking ones you have to watch out for. Maybe his crutch was the murder weapon.

Maybe the crutch was used and not the paintbrush handle.

 

[cynic]

You've convinced me. Charles Dickens did it.

The dickens you say!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Its not like there's no precedent for criminals inspired by a fictional work.

We already know the RN author used some lines from fiction.