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You're talking in code. Why beat who over the head?

No one. I was saying that it seemed fairly obvious that some of those examples were Christmas-related and there didn't seem to be any reason to state that explicitly.

Who is a rookie on the beat?

It refers to a response I gave you about how the DA's office refused to follow through on procedures that the newest rookie on a beat would be expected to do.

I thought I was very clear. You're the one who said Scrooge. He's a fat cat, according to you. He's also a Christmas character. A coincidence. I also thought you don't believe in coincidences.

NOW who's speaking in riddles?
 
Hey SD get a load of this:

You're probably thinking 'get a load of what', right?

There ARE some parallels between 'A Christmas Carol' and JBR's murder that others besides myself have noted.

I think the whole idea is humbug!
 
1, 2, and 3 AM, if memory serves. What's the point?

You don't know your Scrooge?

Jacob Marley set the schedule, near the beginning:



MARLEY
You will be haunted by Three Spirits.

(Scrooge's countenance fell almost as low as the Ghost's had done.)
SCROOGE
(in a faltering voice) Is that the chance and hope you mentioned, Jacob?


MARLEY
It is.

SCROOGE
I -- I think I'd rather not.

MARLEY
Without their visits, you cannot hope to shun the path I tread. Expect the first tomorrow, when the bell tolls One.

SCROOGE
Couldn't I take `em all at once, and have it over, Jacob?

MARLEY
Expect the second on the next night at the same hour. The third upon the next night when the last stroke of Twelve has ceased to vibrate. Look to see me no more; and look that, for your own sake, you remember what has passed between us!
 
Hiya Hotyh,

In the spirit of giving ......


I... I don't know. I don't know anything. I never did know anything.
But now I KNOW that I don't know anything!
I don't know anything!/ I never did know anything!/ But now I know that I don't know/ All on a Christmas morning!
Shall I stand on my head? I must stand on my head. - ES
 
"The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you, so I advise you not to provoke them."

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"Gentlemen of the free-and-easy sort, who plume themselves on being acquainted with a move or two, and being usually equal to the time-of-day, express the wide range of their capacity for adventure by observing that they are good for anything from pitch-and-toss to manslaughter; between which opposite extremes, no doubt, there lies a tolerably wide and comprehensive range of subjects. "

http://www.literature.org/authors/dickens-charles/christmas-carol/chapter-03.html

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This lunatic, in letting Scrooge's nephew out, had let two other people in. They were portly gentlemen, pleasant to behold, and now stood, with their hats off, in Scrooge's office. They had books and papers in their hands, and bowed to him.

``Scrooge and Marley's, I believe,'' said one of the gentlemen, referring to his list. ``Have I the pleasure of addressing Mr Scrooge, or Mr Marley?''

``Mr Marley has been dead these seven years,'' Scrooge replied. ``He died seven years ago, this very night.''

``We have no doubt his liberality is well represented by his surviving partner,'' said the gentleman, presenting his credentials.

It certainly was; for they had been two kindred spirits. At the ominous word ``liberality'', Scrooge frowned, and shook his head, and handed the credentials back.

``At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,'' said the gentleman, taking up a pen, ``it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.''

``Are there no prisons?'' asked Scrooge.

http://www.literature.org/authors/dickens-charles/christmas-carol/chapter-01.html

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I suppose we could simply forget JBR's dad was referred to as a 'fat cat' in a vicious writing from Christmas Day, by someone associated with a vicious child murder on Christmas Night. DA and mass media are telling us that the R's didn't do it. This even further raises the questions "why Christmas Night?" and "why the big long literary work instead of a real ransom note?"

The idea here is that someone was inspired by the spooky Christmas story, donned the character of the Ghost of Christmas Present, and arrived Christmas Night. The ransom note did not need to refer to two gentlemen, 'fat cats', or how brainless JR was in order to get JR to go to the bank. The crime did not need to be comitted on Christmas Night. These are superfluous to a kidnap for ransom, sexual assault, or familial coverup. But these are not superfluous to a Scrooge-inspired crime.
 
That's what happened to me too, at first. But now I think someone put too much brandy in the boiled custard.

I'm surprised the ridicule and insult took that long.

JBR's murder inspired by Scrooge is a bizarre idea (Of course an FBI profiler with 35 years experience called it a bizarre case). I'm going with it though because it accounts for a Christmas Night murder by someone who doesn't like fat cats. According to RDI elitist SD, Scrooge is right up there on the fat cat list.
 
I'm surprised the ridicule and insult took that long....

Lighten up HOTYH. Tis the season and all that. I'd hate to get you confused with Ebenezer Scrooge, especially since he is the villain of your story.

Besides, professional profilers don't base their probabilities on fairy tales (except on "Criminal Minds -- they do get carried away with their story lines sometimes.")
 
Lighten up HOTYH. Tis the season and all that. I'd hate to get you confused with Ebenezer Scrooge, especially since he is the villain of your story.

Besides, professional profilers don't base their probabilities on fairy tales (except on "Criminal Minds -- they do get carried away with their story lines sometimes.")

I take it from this you don't get out much.

There are a few famous crimes that were inspired by fiction. That a criminal used fiction for inspiration isn't without precedent, as you seem to be implying incorrectly. "A Christmas Carol" story is one of the most famous for the 'have and have not' relationship, which has motivates criminals throughout time.


Besides, the villian of my story is the Ghost of Christmas Present, not Scrooge.
 
let me get this straight HOTYH.
Your saying someone who wanted to make JR change his ways decided to use ideas from a christmas carol.
Ok so the killer of JBR takes the role of the ghost of christmas past to scare JR so much he what gives all his money away, quits his job i dunno whatever.
I might buy this if there had been a real kidnapping but just doesn't ring true with the way things happened IMO
 
let me get this straight HOTYH.
Your saying someone who wanted to make JR change his ways decided to use ideas from a christmas carol.
Ok so the killer of JBR takes the role of the ghost of christmas past to scare JR so much he what gives all his money away, quits his job i dunno whatever.
I might buy this if there had been a real kidnapping but just doesn't ring true with the way things happened IMO

It doesn't ring true because it's total nonsense. The two gentlemen are referred to that way (as two gentlemen) because the RN author hadn't imagined them fully enough to give them names, or nationalities, or race, or ethnicity, or age .....and so on.
 
I'm surprised the ridicule and insult took that long.

JBR's murder inspired by Scrooge is a bizarre idea (Of course an FBI profiler with 35 years experience called it a bizarre case). I'm going with it though because it accounts for a Christmas Night murder by someone who doesn't like fat cats. According to RDI elitist SD, Scrooge is right up there on the fat cat list.

Even if we play along and pretend that this explains the Christmas night murder, it dose not explain the fake kidnapping. Or, if we want to pretend that it starts out as a kidnapping, it doesn't explain why it "went wrong" and morphed into a sex murder.
 
Even if we play along and pretend that this explains the Christmas night murder, it dose not explain the fake kidnapping. Or, if we want to pretend that it starts out as a kidnapping, it doesn't explain why it "went wrong" and morphed into a sex murder.

A vicious child murder on Christmas Night does need an explanation.

RDI's only explanation of 'holiday stress' doesn't even stick to the wall for more than a minute. Add to that the DNA evidence that the DA says points to an intruder.

Nobody has to pretend or play along very much to figure out that we have a vicious child murder on Christmas Night that came with the War and Peace of ransom notes. And the note is based on economics and status, just like the story.

Check SD's definition and examples for 'fat cat', I think that explains it all.

Maybe also keep in mind that without LA, JBR would've been found hours later and under different circumstances. That is, JR would have his money and be sitting there...

That is the essence or effect of the crime, as it would have been left by the criminals, had it not been thankfully interrupted by LA.
 
A vicious child murder on Christmas Night does need an explanation.

True.

RDI's only explanation of 'holiday stress' doesn't even stick to the wall for more than a minute. Add to that the DNA evidence that the DA says points to an intruder.

Holiday stress isn't my explanation. No reason to assume all RDIs think the same way. The DNA doesn't point to an intruder doing the killing - no matter what the DA says. It's simply non-Ramsey male DNA. We don't know how it got there, or why it's there. We don't know who it belongs to. Most likely we never will.

Nobody has to pretend or play along very much to figure out that we have a vicious child murder on Christmas Night that came with the War and Peace of ransom notes. And the note is based on economics and status, just like the story.

Oh, I thought it was based on a SFF's dislike of the USA. Or based on an actual kidnapping attempt which then inexplicably "went wrong". Pretty convenient to forget about the other "motives" and just focus on the fat cat angle.


Check SD's definition and examples for 'fat cat', I think that explains it all.

Maybe also keep in mind that without LA, JBR would've been found hours later and under different circumstances. That is, JR would have his money and be sitting there...

That is the essence or effect of the crime, as it would have been left by the criminals, had it not been thankfully interrupted by LA.

Laughable. No way would JR have been sitting there with his money waiting for a ransom call. I assume that's what you were getting at.

A real kidnapper would have known very well that the body would be found. Had there actually been an intruder, he'd have scratched his head in disbelief when he found out the BPD, JR, and FW all failed to find the body when they were down in the basement that morning, and that it would take 7 hours for JR to go back down and discover the body.
 

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