Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #14

[SeriouslySearching]

oh.... and a year or so ago, they prosecuted a judge in Creek county for having a sex toy operating on him while he was on the bench. He served time, if I remember right

Well...technically it wasn't a sex toy. It was a penis pump so it is in the category of sexual aides. Yes, he was arrested for using it during trials (court reporter testified she could hear it during trials and had seen it at least 15 times). He was sentenced to 4 years and was fined $40,000.00. He retired in 2004.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13599320/
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=38981

 

[FlowerChild]

So it is your belief that the police would never put out a false picture of a POI in order to manipulate possible witnesses, to make them feel comfortable? I admit I know nothing about the professional ethics of sketch artists, but would they never work with police to influence the parties to the case? And if a POI was made up out of whole cloth, he would have to be described as having some general appearance. Since (maybe) he doesn't exist, what difference would it make to say he was NA, or whatever? When a suspect is described with my general appearance (middle aged Caucasian woman), it doesn't bother me. Just wondering...I don't think this would disrespect the NA community.

It would be discriminatory - anywhere, but especially in Oklahoma. You must understand that like African Americans, Native Americans were treated like like they were less than human - they even took their CHILDREN away to Indian Schools (boarding schools) and tried to make the kids more "white". They have endured 200 years of abuse and lies from the white man who took their land, their languages, their religion, their way of life and finally their children. The 5 civilized tribes in OK are there because they were forced from their homes in many other states to walk to OK on a march every bit as brutal and deadly as those death marches by the Nazi's in Germany.

The Native American community is quite powerful in OK and they would be marching on the capitol building in a heartbeat and holding press conferences if this "fake POI" were to happen. Members of the NA community have already spoken out about the POI being a NA man with long hair (considered traditional NA) being too generic and possibly encouraging racist behavior by potentially targeting too many innocent NA men.

I can assure you this did NOT happen and no traditional Peace Chief of the Cheyenne Tribe would EVER agree to do this, he would resign first.

My Opinion

 

[frogjustfrog]

forgive me please. Back to topic. Did anything ever get resolved about this old guy? Last I heard he hasnt been cleared.

 

[LifeSaver]

I've been there many times, and usually its pretty crowded. Cars going in and out, pumpers and oil trucks etc. Just watch the woods very closely, I do

 

[Fairy1]

Peter Placker said Taylor had been walking down to the bridge for several months to exercise - he did not say so, but I betcha there were a few boys hanging around down there sometimes too, Taylor was 13, old enough to be a little interested in the boys. The bridge was a bit of a "kids" hangout - not much else to do out in the country for kids under 16.

Peter Placker did say that it was just in the last few months that they allowed Taylor to walk down there alone - after she told them she was getting older and they should trust her --- the usual "give me some freedom" phase that 12 and 13 year olds go thru. Taylor had turned 13 a few month ago - she was a year behind in school - kids her age are usually going into the 8th grade, not the 7th. Taylor would have turned 14 before she finished 7th grade and 16 before she finished 9th grade

My Opinion

Oh - this is so very sad. From everything we've learned, Taylor was their baby and I believe they did everything in their power to protect her. I'm certain that - in their worst dreams - they NEVER could have imagined something like this would happen. Who would? My heart goes out to them and I honestly believe that when this case is solved, it will be something that none of us could have imagined. IMO, of course.

 

[LifeSaver]

Patterson? is that who you are referring to

 

[LifeSaver]

I think everyone has fallen asleep.

 

[LifeSaver]

Good night everyone

 

[frogjustfrog]

Patterson? is that who you are referring to

Life, if you would hit the quote button when you are responding to a posting, it would be easier to know what you are refering to.
Smiling and just trying to be helpful.
I think the server is still very busy. I keep getting that.

 

[Fairy1]

It would be discriminatory - anywhere, but especially in Oklahoma. You must understand that like African Americans, Native Americans were treated like like they were less than human - they even took their CHILDREN away to Indian Schools (boarding schools) and tried to make the kids more "white". They have endured 200 years of abuse and lies from the white man who took their land, their languages, their religion, their way of life and finally their children. The 5 civilized tribes in OK are there because they were forced from their homes in many other states to walk to OK on a march every bit as brutal and deadly as those death marches by the Nazi's in Germany.

The Native American community is quite powerful in OK and they would be marching on the capitol building in a heartbeat and holding press conferences if this "fake POI" were to happen. Members of the NA community have already spoken out about the POI being a NA man with long hair (considered traditional NA) being too generic and possibly encouraging racist behavior by potentially targeting too many innocent NA men.

I can assure you this did NOT happen and no traditional Peace Chief of the Cheyenne Tribe would EVER agree to do this, he would resign first.

My Opinion

I don't understand - what would not happen? IIRC - there were 6 witnesses who saw the POI. It would be ignorant and irresponsible for ANYONE to say that just because he appeared to be NA, he wasn't. They can only go on what the witnesses said. Never should the fear of racial profiling stand in the way of an honest description of a POI. If that is the way the wind is blowing, we can ALL kiss our a**es goodbye!

 

[GetSmart]

Is Patterson the hermit guy?

 

[frogjustfrog]

It would be discriminatory - anywhere, but especially in Oklahoma. You must understand that like African Americans, Native Americans were treated like like they were less than human - they even took their CHILDREN away to Indian Schools (boarding schools) and tried to make the kids more "white". They have endured 200 years of abuse and lies from the white man who took their land, their languages, their religion, their way of life and finally their children. The 5 civilized tribes in OK are there because they were forced from their homes in many other states to walk to OK on a march every bit as brutal and deadly as those death marches by the Nazi's in Germany.

The Native American community is quite powerful in OK and they would be marching on the capitol building in a heartbeat and holding press conferences if this "fake POI" were to happen. Members of the NA community have already spoken out about the POI being a NA man with long hair (considered traditional NA) being too generic and possibly encouraging racist behavior by potentially targeting too many innocent NA men.

I can assure you this did NOT happen and no traditional Peace Chief of the Cheyenne Tribe would EVER agree to do this, he would resign first.

My Opinion

I understood ya. I think sometimes people get confused when we are responding to a posting which could have been on an earlier page

 

[frogjustfrog]

Is Patterson the hermit guy?

Yes. He is one we spoke of earlier. A neighbor who has been interviewed, but I dont think he has been cleared yet. I believe it was said that he had his children taken away from him, years ago. And that maybe his mind just snapped, hearing these girls playing from time to time.

 

[FlowerChild]

I don't understand - what would not happen? IIRC - there were 6 witnesses who saw the POI. It would be ignorant and irresponsible for ANYONE to say that just because he appeared to be NA, he wasn't. They can only go on what the witnesses said. Never should the fear of racial profiling stand in the way of an honest description of a POI. If that is the way the wind is blowing, we can ALL kiss our a**es goodbye!

This is the entire thread below, I was responding to Morag suggesting the POI was made up as a ruse by the OSBI and a Native American Sketch Artist (and the POI was made NA because the artist is Native American) - below is the entire conversation. What Morag suggested is discriminatory, unethical and racist anywhere, but especailly offensive in OK. That the POI is NA American is NOT a problem (or racist or discriminatory), that the OSBI and Harvey Pratt would have made him up out of whole cloth is.

I am part Cherokee and I would be offended if this occured and I don't want anyone to be misinformd that this is even a possibility.

My Opinion

They also said it was hard to interview kids...and that they knew that someone knew something. And over and over they said the girls might have interupted/encountered something at the bridge.

Why play that heart-rending 911 call, if not to shake the conscience of the someone who knows something? And they still believe it was locals.

I'm going to make a big guess here- there is no POI- he's just a ruse to make the killers feel comfortable enough to talk among themselves or others.
And the reason he looks like a Native American is because the sketch artist is NA.

Boys with guns, a dog who showed up at the bridge the next day...no motive to kill these children...I think LE thinks that this is a stupid, spur-of-the-moment crime which can happen when people/young people are fooling around with guns...

That would be a HUGE NO-NO! The equivalent of making up an African American POI because the artist happened to be African American. Over 25% of Oklahomans are members of an American Indian Tribe and probably 50% have some Native American blood. The Sketch Artist is himself a high ranking member ( a Peace Chief) of the Cheyenne Tribe and has a traditional Native Amercan family. There is NO WAY he would be a party to such a discriminatory act. The POI was not made up and he exists - but in Oklahoma there are probably 10,000 men who resemble the POI - and only ONE is the POI.

My Opinion

So it is your belief that the police would never put out a false picture of a POI in order to manipulate possible witnesses, to make them feel comfortable? I admit I know nothing about the professional ethics of sketch artists, but would they never work with police to influence the parties to the case? And if a POI was made up out of whole cloth, he would have to be described as having some general appearance. Since (maybe) he doesn't exist, what difference would it make to say he was NA, or whatever? When a suspect is described with my general appearance (middle aged Caucasian woman), it doesn't bother me. Just wondering...I don't think this would disrespect the NA community.

It would be discriminatory - anywhere, but especially in Oklahoma. You must understand that like African Americans, Native Americans were treated like like they were less than human - they even took their CHILDREN away to Indian Schools (boarding schools) and tried to make the kids more "white". They have endured 200 years of abuse and lies from the white man who took their land, their languages, their religion, their way of life and finally their children. The 5 civilized tribes in OK are there because they were forced from their homes in many other states to walk to OK on a march every bit as brutal and deadly as those death marches by the Nazi's in Germany.

The Native American community is quite powerful in OK and they would be marching on the capitol building in a heartbeat and holding press conferences if this "fake POI" were to happen. Members of the NA community have already spoken out about the POI being a NA man with long hair (considered traditional NA) being too generic and possibly encouraging racist behavior by potentially targeting too many innocent NA men.

I can assure you this did NOT happen and no traditional Peace Chief of the Cheyenne Tribe would EVER agree to do this, he would resign first.

My Opinion

 

[Claycat]

You know, Frog, if I had a lot of money, I would hire a couple of armed bodyguards and you I and would physically search those back roads!

:bud:

 

[frogjustfrog]

You know, Frog, if I had a lot of money, I would hire a couple of armed bodyguards and you I and would physically search those back roads!

:bud:

Me in a long sleeved shirt and a floppy hat, leading the way with a ... what o ya call it? Yep, I can see that. lol

 

[frogjustfrog]

You know, Frog, if I had a lot of money, I would hire a couple of armed bodyguards and you I and would physically search those back roads!

:bud:

I think if I had a whole lot of money, I would move those people away from there.
We'll just have to pray for it. :angel:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think Moraq was being derogatory. I think the crux of what he/she was saying is that IF OSBI did make up the POI in an effort to make the real perps feel too comfortable so they would make a mistake...the artist could have come up with a NA sketch because he related to it is all. I think you might be making a big thing out of nothing.

At this point, since I find it difficult to believe in anything they have told us...I can't say it would surprise me. Being misled has left a very sour taste in my mouth and even tho it was only last week that I was defending them...I can't anymore. So do I think they would do it? After Monday...Anything is possible.

 

[Fairy1]

This is the entire thread below, I was responding to Morag suggesting the POI was made up as a ruse by the OSBI and a Native American Sketch Artist (and the POI was made NA because the artist is Native American) - below is the entire conversation. What Morag suggested is discriminatory, unethical and racist anywhere, but especailly offensive in OK. That the POI is NA American is NOT a problem (or racist or discriminatory), that the OSBI and Harvey Pratt would have made him up out of whole cloth is.

I am part Cherokee and I would be offended if this occured and I don't want anyone to be misinformd that this is even a possibility.

My Opinion

Thank you FC - I didn't see all of this conversation. I understand. I do believe the POI is real and as described. I do not believe - necessarily - that he was directly involved in the crime. I'm more inclined to believe that he's afraid to come forward. I suppose, under the circumstances, I would be too. And I'm an almost middle-aged white woman! Then again, I assume he could call in an anonymous tip, right? Thinking out loud....

 

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2080

According to Rosser this is an illustration of where the bodies were found

I am still not convinced these are totally accurate. Not that you didn't put them where he motioned, but that he did it so generally. I still don't believe the girls were face down either. It would have been impossible to put all the shots in the front (as they claim they were) with the girls having been face down. This would have required them being moved after the fact and I don't think that happened.