Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #6

[evelyn24]

Do you need a family tree really? It sounds like you just need to determine if the Gordon's match up.

Not that it's admirable to do that, but I don't think it really helps you with Skyla's side as it does with Taylor's side. I guess if you find a second Bandidos snitch, you might have something.

A second Bandido's snitch? I don't think it was determined Joe Placker in the Bandidos snitched on anyone in the contraband trial, correct?
In the case of the Kansas murder trial involving Edward Gordan, it's clear he made a plea to testify against another defendant next month.
It looks like this murder was a pretty big deal locally in Kansas, because they killed a college sport's star.
I have no idea if any of this is related to Taylor and Skyla's murder, but I will say this, the Edward Gordan angle makes more sense than anything I saw involving Taylor's extended family. imo

 

[MissHolmes]

Regarding Edward Gordon on trial. I have found nothing substantial that ties him to the Whitaker family. Maybe someone else will have more luck. And as far as the Whitaker family the only information I have found was from the obituaries. Havent stopped looking yet though.

 

[Ruflossn]

Thanks to all for the warm welcome.

Does it strike anyone as strange that no one could tell if the white pickup was a Ford or Chevy? It is not a huge 'thing' to ponder but, (as someone who once lived in Oklahoma) most everyone falls into the "Ford Pickup is what I drive" or the "Chevy pickup is what I drive" kind of attitude. For people to not have id'ed the type of truck seems strange to me. Again, it is not a huge thing but an unusual occurance.

What could this tell of the witness? Were they so frightened / intimidated by what they may have stumbled upon that they just got out of there ASAP. Seems unlikely since the composite sketch was so detailed. Maybe the witness was a young person who doesn't pay attention to such things? Again, unlikely since so many young people are fascinated by automobiles and pick up trucks. Or lastly, perhaps the witness saw the truck from the front and did not have the opportunity to view the tailgate and see if it was marked Chevy or Ford. Maybe the witness (es) were to intimidated to turn around and take a 2nd look at what they had seen with the POi and the strange way the pick up was parked in the road.

On my lunch hour, I followed a thread from this site that led me to a (journalistic) article that stated the POI had a "long pony tail that was tucked underneath the baseball hat". This was a first for me to read a description with that detail about the pony tail being tucked under the hat. It seemed in all references, it was stressed that the POI had a very long pony tail. Which honestly, is not such a big deal because at this point, he has probably cut it off. I am sorry that I do not have time to backtrack on the previous pages to find the link but, If it is needed I will try to do that later this evening.

I wish I could stay and read all the follow up responses but, it is time for me to be a responsible adult that has priorities and not be a crime enthusiast that could be on the Websleuths for hours at a time. I'll be back later tonight~

 

[evelyn24]

I think the POI had on a black baseball cap, but the ponytail was out, and hanging down to the small of his back.
I'm pretty sure that is what Brown said at the presser.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I just cannot buy the American Indian deal. Possible I just do not want to lower my idea of the "Eagle" and all the honorable stuff. Also possible he was driving by, saw something-pulled over and said "oh sh-t" and boogied. And if it WAS him why did he not take the driver out? I wondered WHY the driver did not pull over to offer help? This was just too weird. Mutually odd either perspective.

I have thought all along that witness was of "convenience." They had time to get a story together. If I felt my "son" or whoever was close to me-may have been involved--I would clear the WHOLE DAMN community by saying it was an Oriental dude. Then cops won't be hanging out day after day in my back yard.

I do not believe the Indian sighting and I NEVER did-except he may have happened upon, heard something and drove up to look, at best. I would polygraph whomever. There is so MUCH illegal crap going on in that area-it may not even be an actual killer they are hiding. It could be a big field of reefer-who knows.

Drug crazed people, would make us feel better to believe. Drug crazed people want money and their goal is their next fix. Killing two girls does not play in at all-as well as druggies are sloppy and this was not sloppy. Also they are unstable and someone would have folded by now. They do not want to attract attention, and are going to care less about to girls-seeing what? A brown paper bag exchanged. It would mean nothing. Last but not least-of a druggie had a gun-they would have sold the gun for drugs.

I am with whoever here feels it was a "message" but I feel it was a show of power and retaliation for something that already happened. Heck, it could have even been an upset dude from eBay.

Maybe I have a little more faith in the OSBI because I don't see them being hoodwinked easily by just a layperson. They said they had done over a 100 interviews and administered some pollys IIRC. Maybe this witness was one of them because they came out and said they deem them very credible. Not only that, in a few days they said there was more witnesses that had seen the same man in the composite. So imo, yes this POI is legitimate.

I see nothing unusual by the person that passed him. It was on a dirt road, they did not know him, they said he was acting suspiciously. He vehicle certainly wasn't broken down as he hightailed it out of the area quickly. If he needed help why didn't he throw up his hand,smile and try to stop them? Why hide what he was doing where they couldn't see what he was up to?

I have always admired the American Indian and when I think of all the injustices that has been done to them I am deeply saddened. However, I also know that even they can be capable of violent crimes against others. I do believe this man was at the scene of the crime when it happened. In fact he may be the one and only shooter.

No police department puts out a national BOLO on a "pretend" POI. He is real alright, now finding him is another thing, especially now that so much time has lapsed.

imoo

 

[Littledeer]

Ruflosson:

There is a picture of the POI here. I am sure you have seen it. If not, I believe it's on the 1st or 2nd page of this thread.

This why we need a forum, a place for all the media links which you could have gone to and gotten exactly what the LE said about the POI description without having to search through threads.

(hint hint)

 

[Ruflossn]

Littledeer~

I have seen the picture and read all the descriptions. That is why I was so shocked to have read that the ponytail was tucked under the baseball hat. I was wondering if more info had inadvertently been released. Just a thought................

Okay, I have really got to get off of here befopre my family rips the computer off the wall.

 

[txsvicki]

Someone quoted a comment by a local at the beginning of this thread. It mentioned something about a neighbor having a business and diesel. Does anyone know anything about this neighbor? I'm still wondering if the girls saw someone stealing fuel. Someone they knew.

 

[MissHolmes]

Thanks to all for the warm welcome.

Does it strike anyone as strange that no one could tell if the white pickup was a Ford or Chevy? It is not a huge 'thing' to ponder but, (as someone who once lived in Oklahoma) most everyone falls into the "Ford Pickup is what I drive" or the "Chevy pickup is what I drive" kind of attitude. For people to not have id'ed the type of truck seems strange to me. Again, it is not a huge thing but an unusual occurance.

What could this tell of the witness? Were they so frightened / intimidated by what they may have stumbled upon that they just got out of there ASAP. Seems unlikely since the composite sketch was so detailed. Maybe the witness was a young person who doesn't pay attention to such things? Again, unlikely since so many young people are fascinated by automobiles and pick up trucks. Or lastly, perhaps the witness saw the truck from the front and did not have the opportunity to view the tailgate and see if it was marked Chevy or Ford. Maybe the witness (es) were to intimidated to turn around and take a 2nd look at what they had seen with the POi and the strange way the pick up was parked in the road.

On my lunch hour, I followed a thread from this site that led me to a (journalistic) article that stated the POI had a "long pony tail that was tucked underneath the baseball hat". This was a first for me to read a description with that detail about the pony tail being tucked under the hat. It seemed in all references, it was stressed that the POI had a very long pony tail. Which honestly, is not such a big deal because at this point, he has probably cut it off. I am sorry that I do not have time to backtrack on the previous pages to find the link but, If it is needed I will try to do that later this evening.

I wish I could stay and read all the follow up responses but, it is time for me to be a responsible adult that has priorities and not be a crime enthusiast that could be on the Websleuths for hours at a time. I'll be back later tonight~

As far as the identity of the truck, Ford or Chevy, I would think men would take more notice what brand it was. But, women, I would think not as much.

And the rear of the truck must have shown as it was identified as having Oklahoma tags.

Respectfully

 

[MeoW333]

They said the POI was Native American with European ancestry. So what if he is just tan as it is summer, and normally he looks white, so people won't recognize him if he has been away from his home for awhile? He could have dyed his hair i suppose. Hazel eyes; you would think one would have been close to tell the eye color.
I am also surprised no one noticed the make of the white pickup truck. I am a female and live in suburbia and i can identify must all makes and models of them. (lived a stint in the country as well).

 

[Littledeer]

Ruflossn:

Now your a true WS!! LOL, watch it though. It does take you hook, line and sinker!!!

I can't tell you the number of times my computer was going to get thrown out the window, etc. etc. etc.

Sorry for the O/T.

You say it was "tucked under" the baseball cap. Where did you see/read this at? If it was tucked under, how would anyone be able to describe the length of it??????

 

[Beyond Belief]

Just a couple thoughts, if you all have already discussed them, forgive me, I can't keep up with all the posts:

It was mentioned somewhere that Taylor like to wander the field/fields. What field?
Has it been considered this (the murders) was a diversion?

 

[Spazkat9696]

Any reason for the long sleeves to be used for the making of meth? Like a herione addict to cover tracks?

I think a lot of the stuff used to make meth could burn your skin. Plus you have to cook it so maybe the long sleeves are to prevent buns. I'm not really sure how to make meth though so I could be wrong. I'm not going to google a recipe for meth to find out either. I don't want to be on anymore government watch lists than I'm probably already on.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks to all for the warm welcome.

Does it strike anyone as strange that no one could tell if the white pickup was a Ford or Chevy? It is not a huge 'thing' to ponder but, (as someone who once lived in Oklahoma) most everyone falls into the "Ford Pickup is what I drive" or the "Chevy pickup is what I drive" kind of attitude. For people to not have id'ed the type of truck seems strange to me. Again, it is not a huge thing but an unusual occurrence.

What could this tell of the witness? Were they so frightened / intimidated by what they may have stumbled upon that they just got out of there ASAP. Seems unlikely since the composite sketch was so detailed. Maybe the witness was a young person who doesn't pay attention to such things? Again, unlikely since so many young people are fascinated by automobiles and pick up trucks. Or lastly, perhaps the witness saw the truck from the front and did not have the opportunity to view the tailgate and see if it was marked Chevy or Ford. Maybe the witness (es) were to intimidated to turn around and take a 2nd look at what they had seen with the POi and the strange way the pick up was parked in the road.

On my lunch hour, I followed a thread from this site that led me to a (journalistic) article that stated the POI had a "long pony tail that was tucked underneath the baseball hat". This was a first for me to read a description with that detail about the pony tail being tucked under the hat. It seemed in all references, it was stressed that the POI had a very long pony tail. Which honestly, is not such a big deal because at this point, he has probably cut it off. I am sorry that I do not have time to backtrack on the previous pages to find the link but, If it is needed I will try to do that later this evening.

I wish I could stay and read all the follow up responses but, it is time for me to be a responsible adult that has priorities and not be a crime enthusiast that could be on the Websleuths for hours at a time. I'll be back later tonight~

It if had nothing that made it stand out it may not have been noticed or if the witness is a woman she may not care to look all that closely. Maybe it is just an older Chevy or Ford and if so,I don't think it would be all that memorable.

Just checking white trucks is such a arduous task for police. I read a recent article that said "white" is the most common color over any other color for pickup trucks. It is literally trying to look for a needle in a hay stack in the State of OK.

I think he will look the same though as the frontal sketch released. What they were wanting was to juggle people's mind of how he normally looked before he may have modified his hair cut. I am not so sure he will cut his hair if he has always kept it long. Maybe keep the long hair twisted up under a cap now.

imo

 

[MissHolmes]

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-06-16_Sketch.html

 

[noZme]

ruflossn
welcome aboard, there's always room for one more..... "responsible adult??? "... oh how i admire your willpower !

msholmes
you are amazing... so new here & have already become indispensible!!!! please relay my fondest regards to sherlock.

 

[Littledeer]

MissHolmes:

You beat me to it. Was going going to post the pic until I looked below and saw you had already done it!!

Thanks!

For someone who has been registered since 2005 with so few posts, your doing GREAT!

I'm still a newbie.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

As far as the identity of the truck, Ford or Chevy, I would think men would take more notice what brand it was. But, women, I would think not as much.

And the rear of the truck must have shown as it was identified as having Oklahoma tags.

Respectfully

For some reason I keep seeing this witness as a woman. If it were a older pickup I don't think it would catch her eye to care enough whether it was a Ford or Chevy but imo she did come very close to the vehicle if she/he remembered the metal strip down the side. They may have showed her truck pics and she couldnt decide between a Ford and the Chevy.

If it were a woman this would even more fully explain why her hinky meter went off by seeing him there.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-06-16_Sketch.html

It looks like he wears it loose on the top and sides but a tight ponytail going all the way down his back.

Thanks MissHolmes.

 

[Littledeer]

oceanblueeyes:

I am assuming you are talking about the "first" witness that came foward?? The one that had to go around the vehicle?

If so, I can see if it was a female in not knowing the make of the truck.

But then, where do the other so called witnesses come into play here? Were they also all females? Or did they see no truck, but saw the POI?