Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #7

[christine2448]

Welcome new posters! Some very interesting and possible theories being brought forth.

 

[MeoW333]

I asked about that, too, yesterday. I would hope that LE would have ran ballistic tests on the guns the boys were using down there before declaring them not involved. There is a scenario that could have easily played out: the boys got bored with shooting down by the bridge and decided to shoot the girls for the thrill of it. As I see it, they had a gun/(maybe guns?)... they were in the area shooting... it should have put them at the top of the suspect list until their gun was thoroughly tested in a lab.

Most likely if the boys were involved, they would have rid of the guns they used if they shot the girls with them. I wouldn't put it past families covering for their own, either. Early on, wasn't it rumored the girls were meeting up with some boys on quads (ATVs)?
Upon finding the girls, and in the funeral article (i think it was) Taylor's grandpa refers to finding "them" and "they" shot them, implying he believes there is more than one killer.

 

[PGW]

I picked up a face similar to that young face you were talking about. However, he had a kind of sparse mustache, like he was just trying to grow one. There was another boy, too. He was red-headed and had a heavy forehead with deep-set eyes. He was slender. That was when I got the names Brian and Lazarus.

No, the image I saw would not be old enough or mature enough to even begin producing a mustache. I would place him around 14 maybe if I had to give an actual age. Didn't get another boy with him with his image, just him.
He was very boyish but big for his age. Stocky. That's all I got on him.
Well no, a striped shirt. Boots.

Thanks for responding to me, everybody.

I don't feel like the spurned love theory fits this. It's a good theory, but doesn't feel right.

 

[KR2tonenow]

No, the image I saw would not be old enough or mature enough to even begin producing a mustache. I would place him around 14 maybe if I had to give an actual age. Didn't get another boy with him with his image, just him.
He was very boyish but big for his age. Stocky. That's all I got on him.
Well no, a striped shirt. Boots.

Thanks for responding to me, everybody.

I don't feel like the spurned love theory fits this. It's a good theory, but doesn't feel right.

What fits, then? Was the boy acting out a video game?

 

[TeeOne]

Well, one of the posters got photoshop and placed the sketch right over Creech's photo and its stated, " it looks just like him.", accept for the eyebrows. Seems were not the only ones that feel this way.

Good, looks like I'm not the only one that thought so!

 

[Trino]

IMO after reading Roy's posts on Topix, it's fairly obviously he has not offered any info, only four letter words and raunchy opinions that have nothing to do with this tragedy. AND, I believe you got the name LAZARUS from one of Roy's comments.

MeoW, I have not heard the girls were meeting with anyone on an ATV, only that it was possible that someone on an ATV could have done this. However, this has been a WS opinion, since OSBI has not led the investigation this direction.

 

[PGW]

What fits, then? Was the boy acting out a video game?

What fits, if this was deliberate murder and not an accidental one, and if it was by a young male as we're describing, then your concept of something setting him off fits, but just the spurned romance thing does not, at least not in my opinion. I am no expert, but I know children in this age group, and romance does not get usually get them fired up like that. What causes a lot more disturbing fights are things like tattle-telling, or talking about someone's family, or personal jabs about how someone looks or how stupid they might be. But love? No. At least not the majority of kids I know. They get their hearts broken but they mend quickly. It's more a ritual at that age. But it's the he said-she said about family that gets the fists flying. So if this were a deliberate killing by a local youth of their age group or slightly older, then I would venture to say he had more anger about something said or misperceived that dealt with personal issues or family or a school-related incident in which he felt betrayed by one of the girls.

However, I can even more see it being purely accidental and a kid that age not knowing how to cope with it at all. I can see him not ever admitting to it until the evidence is right in his face that everyone knows.

I'm also quite familiar with that area of rural Oklahoma. I don't know what it's like now, but I knew it not too far back. The people I knew in that area were very open about everything. I can't see a big conspiracy happening.

I could be so very wrong with everything I've said, so please don't think I'm knocking your theory. I think it has a lot of merit. It has equal merit to what I said. Who knows, something totally entirely different could surface.

 

[Claycat]

IMO after reading Roy's posts on Topix, it's fairly obviously he has not offered any info, only four letter words and raunchy opinions that have nothing to do with this tragedy. AND, I believe you got the name LAZARUS from one of Roy's comments.

MeoW, I have not heard the girls were meeting with anyone on an ATV, only that it was possible that someone on an ATV could have done this. However, this has been a WS opinion, since OSBI has not led the investigation this direction.

If you will go back to the beginning of the discussion about Lazarus, on topix, you will see that I asked him if he knew anyone named Lazarus. He asked me how I knew Lazarus. (I posted as Mary.)

Actually, upon looking back, I asked about a Lazarus as a general question. Roy answered me about Lazarus.

Here is the link to the beginning.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p56

 

[MeoW333]

In Thread #1, post # 17,
Seriously Searching mentioned local rumors of this:

"One of the locals on the comments section mentioned the rumor is that the girls were meeting a couple of boys on ATVs. It is only chatter, but we know how word does get out at times from the local grapevine. The girls also attend a school at Graham according to those posters, too. (must be a tiny community as I have never heard of it)"

I wonder if there has been anything else on this, or has it been ruled out? I think she is local to OK

 

[noZme]

KR2tonenow

What does anyone know about this all boy school, that these 2 young girls were attending?
someone answered this already but i'd like to add there were only about 6 students in her whole class... by coincidence, taylor was the only girl who attended the school..... some students in remote areas were "online students".

What do we know about the population of Weeleka? refer to post # 15 on thread 6 for data on weleetka.


Do the parents of these boys have criminal pasts? as far as i know, names of those boys have not been released.

 

[sweetheart29]

And if OSBI is talking about bullet casings (literally) at least one of the guns had to be NOT a shotgun. Bullet casings are not found from a shotgun (shells are).

And that's all I know...
My Opinion

Bullet casings and shell casings are interchangeably words.

Bullet

A generally cylindrical shaped projectile that travels through the air after being fired from a firearm. This is only one component of a cartridge, which is a single piece of ammunition.

Shotshell*

A self-contained round of ammunition consisting of a case of brass head, a primer, a powder charge, wads, and a load of shot, being close by means of a crimp. Early shotshell cases were made of brass and were reloaded many times by the shooter. Paper hulls with a brass head replaced the brass cases and the paper hulls have now been replaced by plastic hulls with brass heads.

Shell Casing

A hollow, bottle or drinking glass shaped, piece of metal that is closed on one end except for a small hole which holds a primer. The open end holds the bullet. The hollow portion holds the powder. Together the assembled unit is called a car
cartridge.

http://www.boomershoot.org/general/GunDict.htm link to where I got this information from.
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Now, logically, looking at the facts that have come out, I would say, and this part is not intuition just based upon my conclusions of facts, that the shooters could have had guns they weren't supposed to have, and they got carried away. The girls could have been mistaken for deer at their heighth and any movement in the wood area or seen from far off. If the young guys were shooting at what they thought was game, they'd definitely overshoot, "shoot to kill".

Other impression based upon intuition is that the one weapon is in a nearby creek/river.

Even if they had been mistaken for a deer you don't shoot a deer that many times with 2 diffrent guns. If you going to shoot a deer out of season you make sure you can drop it with one shot. If you get caught the least you would get is a fine and lose you gun.

Wouldn't surprise me, and I hear its quite easy to get semi-automatic online now. Maybe the computers will deem something, an IM, email, is there a myspace for any of the girls? How long has OSBI had them?

Welcome to WS!

You can get semi-automatic guns just about any where anymore. I bought mine at a pawn shop pretty cheap.

Taylor was into rescuing turtles. Anyone else here familiar with the disgusting "hobby" some redneck males (of all ages) participate in called "Turtle Popping"? It means to deliberately run over turtles in the road to "pop" them under the car wheels (with the attendant "pop" sound).


My Opinion

Since I'm a redneck Okie I should know about this. I have never heard of it before. I even did a internet search on it and did not find anything.

 

[cloudajo]

This troubles me.

The OSBI came out fairly quickly after they released the sketch to clarify that the ponytail was long.

So why don't they state whether the white pickup was an older or newer model? Wouldn't they have the witnesses try to pick out a picture of the truck to say "it looked like this" and then include a picture that "it was an older/newer model and it looked like this."

Also, why don't they include the description of clothing and black baseball cap as an update along with the sketch?

Wouldn't they want all of that key data together and shown so the public could get the most details available?

I did send these suggestions via the OSBI website contact page early last week I think. Maybe I'll try again.

 

[KR2tonenow]

If you will go back to the beginning of the discussion about Lazarus, on topix, you will see that I asked him if he knew anyone named Lazarus. He asked me how I knew Lazarus. (I posted as Mary.)

Actually, upon looking back, I asked about a Lazarus as a general question. Roy answered me about Lazarus.

Here is the link to the beginning.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p56

<snip
Sure was, he used to work at Tiger Moutain auto salvage removing parts off wrecked car for a few buck to eat with. He lived up under the dustin over pass for a year or two. He was a transient mexican/indian looking feller >snip

I find this quite interesting, CC. I believe also, it is stated that he lives in Longtown, 40 miles from Weeleka.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is what I could find from articles. Anyone have more info?

&#183; They had gunshot wounds to the head and chest, according to the State Medical Examiner's Office.
&#183; Ballistics tests and autopsies indicate two weapons of different calibers were involved, raising the possibility of more than one killer.
&#183; Earlier in the day, investigators said shell casings from two guns were found at the scene, leading investigators to believe that more than one person may have been involved in the killings.
&#183; "They said there was a high-powered weapon and a low-powered weapon,&#8221; Jimmy Farrow said. "One of the TV stations showed shell casings piled up in the road where it happened.&#8221;

http://newsok.com/for-slain-weleetka-girls-kin-pain-keeps-coming/article/3256335/?tm=1213251030
http://newsok.com/article/3255944/

Thank you for the link, cloudajo.

I went back and listened to this video and clearly Rosser says from the bullet casings they cannot tell if they were used in a handgun or a long gun.

Did anyone ever see the shell casings that the reporters supposedly took photos of or video feed? I never saw them but I could have missed it.

So by what Rosser states even OSBI doesn't exactly know what weapons were used.

ETA: It also confirms that yes, indeed these were bullet casings.

imoo

 

[KR2tonenow]

I could be so very wrong with everything I've said, so please don't think I'm knocking your theory. I think it has a lot of merit. It has equal merit to what I said. Who knows, something totally entirely different could surface.

PW, none taken, all theories are welcome.

I think its plausible a teenager with a grudge could have done it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is what I could find from articles. Anyone have more info?

· They had gunshot wounds to the head and chest, according to the State Medical Examiner's Office.
· Ballistics tests and autopsies indicate two weapons of different calibers were involved, raising the possibility of more than one killer.
· Earlier in the day, investigators said shell casings from two guns were found at the scene, leading investigators to believe that more than one person may have been involved in the killings.
· "They said there was a high-powered weapon and a low-powered weapon,” Jimmy Farrow said. "One of the TV stations showed shell casings piled up in the road where it happened.”

http://newsok.com/for-slain-weleetka-girls-kin-pain-keeps-coming/article/3256335/?tm=1213251030
http://newsok.com/article/3255944/

Thank you for the link, cloudajo.

I went back and listened to this video and clearly Rosser says from the bullet casings they cannot tell if it was used in a handgun or a long gun.

Did anyone ever see the bullet casings that the reporters supposedly took photos of or video feed? I never saw them but I could have missed it.

So by what Rosser states even OSBI doesn't exactly know what weapons were used.

imoo

 

[Littledeer]

Please keep Topix at Topix. While they have theories just like we do, the two boards are separate.

Not saying a quote or two is wrong, but just remember this is WS and not Topix. Just wanted to say this so I don't see Topix and Roy's posts too much here.

CC......if and when we get a forum (hint hint ), I will have a thread for Intuitions and put your posts there! : You were spot on with McDonald's!

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[Littledeer]

Not sure if this will help in regards to the shell casings.

Here is the raw video of OSBI at the crime scene:
http://www.koco.com/video/16587861/

Here is the timeline map. I doubt it's to scale, but the girls could have been that close to home.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...elcrimemap.jpg

 

[strach304]

I am really hopeful that LE finds something of use from that big sweep they just did. 11 counties, almost 500 people that were fugitives or warrants they grabbed. Although I'm sure this undercover operation was started some time ago I have to wonder if they didn't go in full force earlier than planned because of this case. They have a sketch of a POI, possibility of a snitch and possible leads to weapons, cell phones and whatever else there may be. I was surprised at the number of fugitives in OK. alone when I was searching the corrections facility website.

 

[cloudajo]

Thank you for the link, cloudajo.

I went back and listened to this video and clearly Rosser says from the bullet casings they cannot tell if it was used in a handgun or a long gun.

Did anyone ever see the bullet casings that the reporters supposedly took photos of or video feed? I never saw them but I could have missed it.

So by what Rosser states even OSBI doesn't exactly know what weapons were used.

imoo

YW. No, I went and searched for early videos but couldn't find any video showing that.

I think this video was taken by news crew Sunday night, as it was posted Monday AM. It shows the crime scene but I don’t see any pictures of shell casings.

Koco - June 9 Video
Search last 30 days “Two Girls Found Dead Near Weleetka” (I can’t get a link directly to video)
http://www.koco.com/video/