SM as a potential focus of the investigation

[scandi]

But it would be even riskier for the total stranger or someone in general, who had no business being with Kyron. It would be risky (and dumb, as you said) for anyone to take this child. But it would be easiest for his stepmom to do so.

I think that speaks to OPPORTUNITY. She had means and with the family circumstances must have had some motive as well. Hmmmmm IMO

 

[Sherbie]

But it would be even riskier for the total stranger or someone in general, who had no business being with Kyron. It would be risky (and dumb, as you said) for anyone to take this child. But it would be easiest for his stepmom to do so.

Except that being known to so many at the school, she'd be instantly recognizable, whereas a stranger wouldn't be. I'd be scared to death someone might be peering out a window and wreck any lie I might've cooked up to tell LE, you know? But then, I'm just a chicken in general anyway. :crazy:

 

[Sherbie]

If that someone is blowing it out of their behind (you said it not me )wouldn't they be digging an even deeper hole for Terri, given they are "a longtime friend"?


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html

Finster said Horman had told Kyron's teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment.

Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said.


Looks to me like Terri told her friend a version of the appointment scenario.

Wasn't referring to that, only to the general comment that where there's smoke, there's usually some fire.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I don't really think she did and imo the police knew she really wasnt fully cooperating but lying to cover her pathetic butt.



IMO

Susan Smith at least tried to give the appearance that she was cooperating.. (just as I believe is going on here..moo)..right up to the very minute that Sheriff Howard Wells confronted her with her inconsistent stories (and the fact that the red light she was supposedly sitting at didn't turn red at that time of night unless there was oncoming traffic, which she had stated was not the case) at which time she confessed to everything..

Union SC is about 30 minutes from where I live and is still talked about quite a bit this many years later..

 

[Sherbie]

She may not have thought that but I am sure,if she did this, she would have seen if anyone saw her. I am guessing that as she left there wasn't a soul around. They were probably all in the classrooms or office. The truth is, no one DID see them leave. Not one person that we have heard of has said they saw Kyron leave with her or anyone else. Maybe if she had been seen this wouldn't have happened.

You're right -- frustratingly enough, apparently no one saw anyone or anything. But she couldn't have known ahead of time that she'd be that lucky (if it were indeed she who took him). That's what I was getting at. With so many other opportunities to do the deed away from any prying eyes (or at least eyes that might recognize and remember her), seems an odd choice of when/where to do the deed to me.

I'm not saying she's not involved, she could well be...that is just something that kinda bugs me, though. Maybe I have a lot less nerve than most people?

 

[saba]

Something that keeps bugging me is that SM would have to be about as dumb as a box of rocks to think she could get away with leaving with Kyron without a soul seeing her on such a busy day.

So many parents were there -- she could have been spotted by anyone from a window inside a building, from someone in a parked car, someone coming down the street, someone already outside or just stepping outside as she left...

All it would take would be one person remembering seeing her leave with Kyron to ruin the whole plan. That's just so extremely risky. We've seen crazier things, so I know it's possible, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

My mom used to get mad at me and my brothers and order us to go to the car and wait for her there- Kyron could have gone to the car first and been waiting

 

[Curious Me]

She has to take a 2nd polygraph tomorrow, Saturday..

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html

Thanks for posting this article, Luxbee. I'm finally catching up enough to understand why there may be mistrust of TM. (admit I took notice at the Presser of body language, and am curious as to why I did get a hinky feeling) The comments under the article helped too. Unconfirmed information so I won't get into it, but this is starting to get to me. What really happened to Kyron, a shining star, that day?

 

[mtnone]

You're right -- frustratingly enough, apparently no one saw anyone or anything. But she couldn't have known ahead of time that she'd be that lucky (if it were indeed she who took him). That's what I was getting at. With so many other opportunities to do the deed away from any prying eyes (or at least eyes that might recognize and remember her), seems an odd choice of when/where to do the deed to me.

I'm not saying she's not involved, she could well be...that is just something that kinda bugs me, though. Maybe I have a lot less nerve than most people?

That is the weakest part. You could reduce the risk but you wouldn't be able to control anyone seeing you, him or both. You also wouldn't want anyone to see you and Kyron in a vehicle together anywhere from that time on, by anyone.

This is where I get stuck too.

 

[DairyGirl]

That is the weakest part. You could reduce the risk but you wouldn't be able to control anyone seeing you, him or both. You also wouldn't want anyone to see you and Kyron in a vehicle together anywhere from that time on, by anyone.

This is where I get stuck too.

I do think it's possible that she had Kyron meet her at the car so that they weren't seen leaving together. Or they could have left together and no one noticed. It was a busy day and a lot of distractions. Maybe she really did have an appt with him that day and left with no bad intentions and something happened so she decided to say she left him at school figuring that nothing about their leaving stood out and wouldn't be remembers. Who knows but the same could be said about any other person taking Kyron. No one saw him leave with anyone. That much is clear.
As far as someone seeing them in the car together, I don't think it's likely that anyone would pay attention. Like I said, nothing stood out that would make seeing them memorable.

 

[Luxbee]

I'm on the east coast and Good Morning America just went to commercial and they will be talking about Kyron and the turns in case putting step mom under fire after commercial, if anyone is east coast turn on good morning america! 7:22am here

Well they didn't discuss anything new... just the flier, how they refuse to name a POI, the 2 times the family appeared and only spoke once... :/ sad, all his pictures get me so watery eyed, I hate how unfair the world can be

 

[squeaky]

I am still not convinced about any particular scenario or any specific people being involved in Kyron's disappearance. However, what does seem clear to me (at this point, anyways) is that LE has been interested in a specific person from very early. I would hope there is something pretty significant that led them to direct their investigation in that matter. But if by some miracle SM isn't involved in this at all, the political fallout will be epic.

 

[Morag]

It was a busy day at school, but how busy was it at 8:15 or so? There were only two (?) other people in his classroom when the picture was made...and most parents may have come to the SF a bit later. The halls could have been virtually empty at 8:15, and the windows overlooking the south exit seem to be gym/auditorium windows, high up for light rather than looking out/down, and basement windows- don't know if there are classrooms there.

At any rate, a truck or car could be pulled up far enough so that no one inside could see a child getting in it. And it would be easy enough for the driver to judge that the parking lot had no potential witnesses. As long as the perp/POI did not exit the building with Kyron, then there would be no one to see that they were together. Anyone who saw Kyron exiting (no one has claimed to) would have said, well, I saw him going out alone.

Also, a person who was very familiar with the school would know about any sight-lines from within the school to the door. And a person who had attended or participated in similar events might well know how many or how few people could be expected to be around at such an early hour of the school day.

If Kyron left the building very shortly after having his picture made, the chance of witnesses is minimized- school buses hadn't arrived, and not every parent/child attendee would get there so early.

Assuming that this disappearance was pre-meditated, the chances of being seen could have been minimized.

Does anyone recall having seen Kyron wearing a watch in his pictures?

 

[Luxbee]

I am still not convinced about any particular scenario or any specific people being involved in Kyron's disappearance. However, what does seem clear to me (at this point, anyways) is that LE has been interested in a specific person from very early. I would hope there is something pretty significant that led them to direct their investigation in that matter. But if by some miracle SM isn't involved in this at all, the political fallout will be epic.

I really hope she isn't. It's just unspeakable when people who are supposed to love and care for a sweet innocent child are responsible in their disappearance. I feel it is the ultimate betrayal and for Kyron's sake I hope that a) he will miraculously come home safe or b) if something did happen I hope it wasn't someone he loved and trusted. Cases like that are just sickening and heartbreaking :/

 

[tk71texas]

last time i saw this thread.....yesterday.....it was closed and only had 9 comments......oh my, now i have to catch up

 

[sofia76]

Something that keeps bugging me is that SM would have to be about as dumb as a box of rocks to think she could get away with leaving with Kyron without a soul seeing her on such a busy day.

(snip)
All it would take would be one person remembering seeing her leave with Kyron to ruin the whole plan. That's just so extremely risky. We've seen crazier things, so I know it's possible, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

I agree that it sounds risky, but so far it would appear that no one saw anything. So maybe not so risky after all.

 

[s_finch]

She may not have thought that but I am sure,if she did this, she would have seen if anyone saw her. I am guessing that as she left there wasn't a soul around. They were probably all in the classrooms or office. The truth is, no one DID see them leave. Not one person that we have heard of has said they saw Kyron leave with her or anyone else. Maybe if she had been seen this wouldn't have happened.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but has LE definitely said that no one saw KH and TH leave together?

LE has said TH was last to see him alive before he disappeared so to say that they know he was with TH and then he was "gone". Someone can put KH and TH together AFTER the science expo. or else LE couldn't make that statement.

 

[tehcloser]

Warning: It's early and teh tends to ramble without 2nd pot of coffee.

I am a SM, ours are grown now and have babies of their own...but, God forbid had anything happened to mine and I had found myself in the spot TH is in now and my husband was not screaming from the roof tops that I was innocent, I would have killed him. You can say there might be reasons for this...but to me to try and explain it takes too many turns to be logical. I think he knows.......jmo. And I think things inside the home may be ugly at this point. It's like Mark K. says, take the poly's, get the suspicion off of you so LE can focus on the real perp.....if ya didn't do it you would be screaming to high heaven to try and get LE going the right direction.

 

[mom_of_five]

I have five children ranging in age from newly graduated down to kindergarten and I have NEVER had to fill out any sort of paperwork regarding a child's appointment -- and definitely not BEFORE the fact (a note to the teacher letting him/her know in advance, yes, but never something the teacher had to fill out). Doc/dentists these days now automatically print off a confirmation slip for Mom/Dad to give to the school on the day the child arrives back. Do the schools do things differently there in Oregon? This claim has me stumped.

ETA: I can think of one scenario in which this might happen: if Kyron had a psychological appointment of some sort -- then, perhaps, the teacher's observations and opinions would be requested prior to the initial appointment. That would add a new dynamic IF true (not to say Kyron had ANY psychological issues...but that SM could have been trying to go down 'that' road).

 

[Cher352]

My mom used to get mad at me and my brothers and order us to go to the car and wait for her there- Kyron could have gone to the car first and been waiting

Yes, that is what I have been thinking, in fact I have that scenario in a theory a have written out, just haven't posted my theory yet.

 

[Cher352]

I have five children ranging in age from newly graduated down to kindergarten and I have NEVER had to fill out any sort of paperwork regarding a child's appointment -- and definitely not BEFORE the fact (a note to the teacher letting him/her know in advance, yes, but never something the teacher had to fill out). Doc/dentists these days now automatically print off a confirmation slip for Mom/Dad to give to the school on the day the child arrives back. Do the schools do things differently there in Oregon? This claim has me stumped.

ETA: I can think of one scenario in which this might happen: if Kyron had a psychological appointment of some sort -- then, perhaps, the teacher's observations and opinions would be requested prior to the initial appointment. That would add a new dynamic IF true.

When we had scheduled our son for tested for both ADHD and IQ we were given paperwork before hand for both his teacher and us to fill out. Once he was diagnosed as having ADHD we then had to have to have similar paperwork done once a year for the first few years by the teacher before they would refill his medicine.