Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[EvilSoup]

RE: BBM----Really? I'm thinking that since CH was a toddler (22 mos old), he certainly could've climbed/crawled/walked over to the car's window and cried to get attention while in the hot, rolled-up car if he wasn't bound by the belted carseat. Passerbys would've been more likely to have spotted him if he had some level of mobility. If only CH had some wiggle room---but he had none. Even a Houdini couldn't have survived it.

Poor CH was literally chained and bound in the backseat by that carseat. The carseat acted as a restraint and a weapon/instrument in this child's death.

Just terrible......

At two, my daughter could unbuckle herself from her carseat.

Of course, she was in a seat appropriate for her age and size, and was buckled in safely but not too tightly. In order to protect her in case of an accident.

If I had ever left her alone in a hot car, she wouldn't have been helpless and immobile. She would have been able to release herself.

Cooper was strapped into a too-small seat at the lowest strap setting. He was trapped and IMO, that was no accident. It was murder.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There was a link in the original post...here it is again: http://blog.usa.gov/post/91059214885...used-correctly. If you do a query on something like "incorrect use of car seat", you will find many reports on this subject, i.e.,:

www.parents.com/baby/safety/car/baby-car-seat-safety-check-avoid-common-mistakes/

http://www.utahsafetycouncil.org/child-safety-seat.asp

www.carseat.org/Resources/Sachs_CSS.pdf

I've seen it stated repeatedly.
I'm looking for the actual source of the statistics. Thank you for the links, but they're not what I'm looking for. I was interested in the year the study was done, where, and under what conditions and methodology used.

I'm not implying you have a duty to find the original source. I'm simply curious and don't arbitrarily believe statistics unless I understand the source.

Where's the study?


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[Mystymiss]

My question is why was it necessary to call the childcare after the fact? A dead baby in front of you is not enough to tell you he's not at the day care??? I don get it!

 

[EvilSoup]

How does anyone know whether CH was actually strapped all the way in? Has that information been reported?

Ross said he buckled Cooper in very tightly, because, as he told police, he was very concerned for Cooper's safety. I believe he mentioned he had taken a safety course or some such thing. He spent a lot of time lauding his own awareness of carseat safety to the police. A lot.

OTOH, maybe Cooper wasn't buckled in at all. Ross isn't the most truthful guy.

 

[Linda7NJ]

At two, my daughter could unbuckle herself from her carseat.

Of course, she was in a seat appropriate for her age and size, and was buckled in safely but not too tightly. In order to protect her in case of an accident.

If I had ever left her alone in a hot car, she wouldn't have been helpless and immobile. She would have been able to release herself.

Cooper was strapped into a too-small seat at the lowest strap setting. He was trapped and IMO, that was no accident. It was murder.

Ditto!


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[Linda7NJ]

Ross said he buckled Cooper in very tightly, because, as he told police, he was very concerned for Cooper's safety. I believe he mentioned he had taken a safety course or some such thing. He spent a lot of time lauding his own awareness of carseat safety to the police. A lot.

OTOH, maybe Cooper wasn't buckled in at all. Ross isn't the most truthful guy.

I never take the word of a liar with a huge motive to lie some more...

But in this case, when have the detectives testimony and the fact Cooper never left that seat until RH pulled him out for the show.

All IMO


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[Linda7NJ]

Found it

"The researchers behind the new study, published in the August 8 issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine, wanted to see how many kids - and their parents - were actually following these guidelines. They reviewed three years worth of data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's 2007-2009 National Survey on the Use of Booster Seats. Nearly 21,500 children were included in the analysis, in which researchers would stake out gas stations, fast food restaurants and child care and recreation centers to observe proper restraint use as parents pulled up to these establishments with their children.

The researchers interviewed drivers about their child's age, race and ethnicity. Their analysis showed that as kids got older, car seat safety and proper restraint techniques went down. As age increased, children were more likely to sit in the front seat of a car unrestrained, despite the guidelines.

More at link:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-chil...adherence-to-car-seat-guidelines-study-warns/

Of course the hyperlink to the study doesn't work:/




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[ATasteOfHoney]

Possibly he was on hold and didn't want to hang up until someone came to the phone. Daycare staff aren't always available to pick the phone up right away--I've had that experience personally. Or maybe he was talking to someone--it will be interesting to find out once more information is released and/or more witnesses come forward.

But what I'm finding odd is that RH was faced with a shockingly horrible, gruesome, tragic death of his beloved son RIGHT THERE. The visual, and olfactory image/smell of this dead toddler, his injuries, the rigor mortis, was beyond the pale---strangers were even taking action to perform CPR. I haven't heard that RH even tried to call 911. Most parents would be hyper focused on the here and now and in extreme urgency given the horrific event; most parents would be connected to the scene of this death in the present moment and to the dead toddler--both emotionally, and attentively. The immediate focus of the child, the immediate circumstances, and everything related geographically to that immediate area would be paramount is what I would expect from a parent.
Innate Focus => his dead son and what help he can obtain from LE or anyone who is RIGHT THERE.
The urgency and importance is right there in the immediate scene.
This was no little fender-bender. This was no trip and fall.
THIS WAS DEATH.

Nothing on RH's phone is going to be helpful or important in that scene. Call daycare---for what? To tell them CH wasn't going to be attending anymore? And then to start cursing LE as if they are annoying him (RH)? Really?

Yeah, there are variables that people may experience when they discover their child dead but RH's behavior was very weird. And we may all get to see it if they let the video out.

 

[EvilSoup]

But what I'm finding odd is that RH was faced with a shockingly horrible, gruesome, tragic death of his beloved son RIGHT THERE. The visual, and olfactory image/smell of this dead toddler, his injuries, the rigor mortis, was beyond the pale---strangers were even taking action to perform CPR. I haven't heard that RH even tried to call 911. Most parents would be hyper focused on the here and now and in extreme urgency given the horrific event; most parents would be connected to the scene of this death in the present moment and to the dead toddler--both emotionally, and attentively. The immediate focus of the child, the immediate circumstances, and everything related geographically to that immediate area would be paramount is what I would expect from a parent.
Innate Focus => his dead son and what help he can obtain from LE or anyone who is RIGHT THERE.
The urgency and importance is right there in the immediate scene.
This was no little fender-bender. This was no trip and fall.
THIS WAS DEATH.

Nothing on RH's phone is going to be helpful or important in that scene. Call daycare---for what? To tell them CH wasn't going to be attending anymore? And then to start cursing LE as if they are annoying him (RH)? Really?

Yeah, there are variables that people may experience when they discover their child dead but RH's behavior was very weird. And we may all get to see it if they let the video out.

Well said.

They would have to pry my baby from my arms and I would be giving her little blue mouth every breath I had in me, even if my head knew she was already gone.

 

[Bratislava]

If he had said "I forgot" that would have been an outright lie. No reason for that.

Okay, maybe I'm being unclear here. I'll try again.

Stoddard testified before a judge that RH sat in his car for about 30 seconds before getting out.

For most of us watching the video, 30 seconds seemed like WAY too long to hang out in a car and not remember. When Stoddard said this, it was clear to me that RH could not have forgotten Cooper as a result of being rushed.

Knowing the important difference that this "30 second" assertion made, Stoddard should have known that he can't play around with numbers in a court of law. He can't stretch anything to fit the narrative he's assuming. Instead, his job is to provide the facts of the case so that the judge and the jury can decide on the most likely narrative.

It's an outright lie to say "30 seconds" and to make it sound like RH was just hanging around in his car if that is not the case.

It's not an outright lie to say "I forgot" if you can't remember the facts about the video. That is the right thing to do. That's what everyone should do when they testify about the facts of a case.

 

[blue22]

Okay, maybe I'm being unclear here. I'll try again.

Stoddard testified before a judge that RH sat in his car for about 30 seconds before getting out.

For most of us watching the video, 30 seconds seemed like WAY too long to hang out in a car and not remember. When Stoddard said this, it was clear to me that RH could not have forgotten Cooper as a result of being rushed.

Knowing the important difference that this "30 second" assertion made, Stoddard should have known that he can't play around with numbers in a court of law. He can't stretch anything to fit the narrative he's assuming. Instead, his job is to provide the facts of the case so that the judge and the jury can decide on the most likely narrative.

It's an outright lie to say "30 seconds" and to make it sound like RH was just hanging around in his car if that is not the case.

It's not an outright lie to say "I forgot" if you can't remember the facts about the video. That is the right thing to do. That's what everyone should do when they testify about the facts of a case.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he said "around 30 seconds" and not "exactly 30 seconds, he was sitting in his car."

This can be talked in circles, but it's an incredible mountain out of a mole hill. I really hope common sense in regards to this starts to prevail

 

[cady]

My question is why was it necessary to call the childcare after the fact? A dead baby in front of you is not enough to tell you he's not at the day care??? I don get it!

To locate Leanna?

 

[blue22]

I was talking about before too.
RH had taken over the family finances.


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LOL, I thought you were talking about the bro.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he said "around 30 seconds" and not "exactly 30 seconds, he was sitting in his car."

This can be talked in circles, but it's an incredible mountain out of a mole hill. I really hope common sense in regards to this starts to prevail

One can only hope


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[ATasteOfHoney]

To locate Leanna?

Honestly, the sight of my dead child and the horrific injuries he suffered due to my "accidental negligence" would not allow me to properly dial a phone or even speak to my spouse for that matter for I would be overcome with angst, guilt, shock, despair, etc, etc.

I would definately have LE call and they could handle it better. I would also be afraid for the safety of my spouse driving to the scene if the bad news was relayed over the phone.

 

[blue22]

I would think it's incredibly disrespectful to be on the phone when law enforcement shows up and then to remain on the phone...beyond rude. IMO I don't care if the Pope is on the other end.


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Agreed. Let's go one further. It's disrespectful to your CHILD to leave their body on the pavement with a stranger while you NEVER call 911 and make phone calls, and then curse at an office who is trying to figure the situation and help your child.

 

[TorisMom003]

To locate Leanna?

At that time of day Leanna was not going to be at the day care yet. Her usual time, if I recall correctly, was 4:45 to pick up Cooper. Also Harris only called Leanna's cell phone once during those three phone calls. Why did he not try her more than just once? Why did he not text her and tell her to call him NOW? IMO, the answer to those questions is because Leanna already knew that Cooper was dead and the ONE phone call to Leanna was just in case LE did check their phone records. Much like the "when are you getting my buddy" text.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Agreed. Let's go one further. It's disrespectful to your CHILD to leave their body on the pavement with a stranger while you NEVER call 911 and make phone calls, and then curse at an office who is trying to figure the situation and help your child.

Yep, that too!



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[Bratislava]

Well said.

They would have to pry my baby from my arms and I would be giving her little blue mouth every breath I had in me, even if my head knew she was already gone.

I'm sorry, but everyone responds to horror differently. My dad couldn't bear to see his mother in the coffin- wouldn't go near her- while I needed to feel her skin, to cry on her chest and know she was gone.

It's just not fair to judge others for the way in which they respond to trauma and agony. People who live in conflict and war zones have a broad range of psychological responses to death. Some girls respond to being raped by getting a gun and deciding never again to trust a man, while other girls respond to being raped by internalizing the violation and giving their bodies to any man because they don't believe their bodies belong to them anymore.

Please don't oversimplify the human psyche when it comes to tragedy and trauma. I know it hurts to think of Cooper's death and I know it might make us feel better to see LH or RH pulling their hair out, wailing, and crying. But I also know that a good sociopath would have been grieving with lots of drama and public crying- a good sociopath would be giving us the grief we want to see in RH. So, maybe, at least this suggests RH is not a sociopath?

 

[blue22]

I'm sorry, but everyone responds to horror differently. My dad couldn't bear to see his mother in the coffin- wouldn't go near her- while I needed to feel her skin, to cry on her chest and know she was gone.

It's just not fair to judge others for the way in which they respond to trauma and agony. People who live in conflict and war zones have a broad range of psychological responses to death. Some girls respond to being raped by getting a gun and deciding never again to trust a man, while other girls respond to being raped by internalizing the violation and giving their bodies to any man because they don't believe their bodies belong to them anymore.

Please don't oversimplify the human psyche when it comes to tragedy and trauma. I know it hurts to think of Cooper's death and I know it might make us feel better to see LH or RH pulling their hair out, wailing, and crying. But I also know that a good sociopath would have been grieving with lots of drama and public crying- a good sociopath would be giving us the grief we want to see in RH. So, maybe, at least this suggests RH is not a sociopath?

With all due respect, it is fair to judge reactions when a man is sitting in jail for the murder of his child.