Sniff tests, hair decomp, really so conclusive? Fence sitters thread

[SewingDeb]

ImpatientRedHead,

I think you're on the right track about her wanting Mom's house. I think Casey's parents were in danger but I guess they will never believe that.

 

[JBean]

I think you are reading that different than I am. I don't see the implication that anyone had their "hand smacked" or that anythign was revealed prematurely. I don't see any sort of backpeddle.

I see the same statement they were making yesterday. They are not going to speak in 100% absolutes without a confession or body. There is a deal on the table - and they still want BOTH a confession AND a body.

I think some may be dissecting and picking apart the words used a bit too much. For them to state ANYTHING with 100% certainity, it could damage the prosecution and JB would have means to ask for a different venue. You will only see the trial lawyer/prosecutor doing so during the actual trials - not LE during an on going investigation. Tests confirming death, decomposition, etc does NOT mean they are done and ready for trial.

They have to hold some of their cards, they are still waiting for/working on a confession... if they point the finger with absolutes, they will seriously damage that. You have to listen to what LE IS saying... it seems that some here want it all right away. That's not the way and investigation, and prep for trial will work. They really don't have to tell us anything.

JMO

I only mean that yesterday they were speaking in absolutes and today not so much. I agree with your premise entirely and I am of the mind that the tests will tell the tale very clearly.
I think you just said it in your post and are kind of making my point when you said:
>>For them to state ANYTHING with 100% certainity, it could damage the prosecution and JB would have means to ask for a different venue.<<

Yesterday they said it IS Caylee's, today it is strongly probable or they cannot confirm. So, when I say hand smack, I meant along the lines of what you are saying that they shouldn't speak out in absolutes.

 

[Themis]

The information that Casey told people her mother was giving her the house and Casey would take over mortgage payments bothers me. Since she and Amy were going to live there, it appears George and Cindy would not be living there. Where were they going to go? If it didn't have a shred of truth, what are Cindy's or George's responses to this? If the question has not been asked by reporters, why not? If George and Cindy were not going to move out, what did Casey intend to do with them? Casey implies it was already in writing but Cindy had 30 days to revoke and did revoke it. Where's the writing? All transfers of rights in real property are required to be in writing. If there was no writing and no deal between Cindy and Casey, was Casey planning something to make the house vacant? Is this some evidence, however slight, of Casey's capacity to entertain thoughts of premeditation?

 

[SewingDeb]

The information that Casey told people her mother was giving her the house and Casey would take over mortgage payments bothers me. Since she and Amy were going to live there, it appears George and Cindy would not be living there. Where were they going to go? If it didn't have a shred of truth, what are Cindy's or George's responses to this? If the question has not been asked by reporters, why not? If George and Cindy were not going to move out, what did Casey intend to do with them? Casey implies it was already in writing but Cindy had 30 days to revoke and did revoke it. Where's the writing? All transfers of rights in real property are required to be in writing. If there was no writing and no deal between Cindy and Casey, was Casey planning something to make the house vacant? Is this some evidence, however slight, of Casey's capacity to entertain thoughts of premeditation?

How much life insurance do George and Cindy have and is Casey a beneficiary? How about their will, do they leave the house to Casey?

 

[DAWN TREADER]

The limited offer requires her to produce Caylee.

She either can't because the body is in a landfill and she can't lead them to her or leading her to them would give them forensic evidence that she intentionally killed her child. This "deal" has been out there since late July, she has no interest in it and appears to be willing to play the odds that they either can't charge her, or that she might be able to beat it in court. And she might.

I think we will see an indictment tomorrow after the offer officially expires.

Without a body they will have to use motive and behaviour afterwards to show intent, but in most cases without a body they show intent by motive, they have to. In the Laci Peterson case they had the bodies and cause of death was undetermined, still got murder one based largely on his behaviour after the fact. He was clearly moving on with his life, had told Amber his wife was deceased before she was. Casey's friends have said she didn't want to keep Caylee, that her life would be easier without a child, they can easily show that Casey was tied to her controlling mother because of the child and Casey wanted out (She also seemed to want moms house- she may have wished she could get rid of them all).

Agreed. The state is playing its cards one at a time backed up by the findings of a multi-task investigation. Gonna be an interesting week, that's for sure.

 

[Misfit76]

I am really bothered at how many people are insulting those who hold hope Caylee is alive. I chose to come to this site to discuss this case because it was supposed to be held to higher standards than the other similiar sites out there and that you could speak your mind and offer opinions without being belittled. Im not seeing that lately.

I have stated I STILL have hope that shes alive and I have my reasons. Let me expand on that because it prob wont make sense to alot of people but I do know theres a few others that feel the way I do.... I think Caylee is dead, and I think her mother killed her. I dont want to believe that shes dead, but I feel that thats the most likely situation and even more so now with more dna evidence coming out. I do believe science and that the tests done will prove it one way or the other. But I am a mom of a toddler, and I love my son more than life itself, I would die for him in a second. It makes me physically ill to think of a child being hurt or murdered and its very hard for me to accept. This is my own emotional issue and it causes me to have a hard time dealing with the death of a child under any circumstance. So, it is easier for me personally to keep hoping and praying that theres some mistake, something overlooked, that she is still out there. Do I feel deep down shes dead, yes, but I keep grasping at every little straw hoping thats not true and I cant help it. So for people to insult that or make snarky comments about those like me that cant help but hope shes alive even now, it is upsetting. I hate Casey with my whole being and feel that shes responsible for whatever happened to Caylee but being haunted with mental images of a dead child in my head, maybe its my way of coping with that to hold a glimmer of hope till I know her body is found.

 

[Gram2]

Slowly sliding off the fence, and it's breaking my heart.

 

[Boston]

Well the fact that no body has been found obviously helps a lot. The fact that the grandparents and Casey believe that the babysitter took her helps. The sighting reported in the airport helps. The fact that there was no history of Casey being anything other than normal and affectionate toward Caylee, according to the friends and acquaintances and family, that helps. The lack of motive also helps. Also the way the dogs alerted somewhat differently in the back yard...

LE has DNA & other evidence-They don't need a body

The Airport Sighting was checked-it was not Caylee

Casey did have a motive to kill Caylee-she was a burden to her lifestyle

Casey was not a normal parent-she brought Caylee to adult parties

The babysitter does not exist

And as far as the dogs alerting differently in the backyard - the only person who says that is Cindy Anthony


imo

 

[CHICANA]

Slowly sliding off the fence, and it's breaking my heart.

I'm right there with you.
Why can't there for once be a happy ending ?

 

[JBean]

I am really bothered at how many people are insulting those who hold hope Caylee is alive. I chose to come to this site to discuss this case because it was supposed to be held to higher standards than the other similiar sites out there and that you could speak your mind and offer opinions without being belittled. Im not seeing that lately.

I have stated I STILL have hope that shes alive and I have my reasons. Let me expand on that because it prob wont make sense to alot of people but I do know theres a few others that feel the way I do.... I think Caylee is dead, and I think her mother killed her. I dont want to believe that shes dead, but I feel that thats the most likely situation and even more so now with more dna evidence coming out. I do believe science and that the tests done will prove it one way or the other. But I am a mom of a toddler, and I love my son more than life itself, I would die for him in a second. It makes me physically ill to think of a child being hurt or murdered and its very hard for me to accept. This is my own emotional issue and it causes me to have a hard time dealing with the death of a child under any circumstance. So, it is easier for me personally to keep hoping and praying that theres some mistake, something overlooked, that she is still out there. Do I feel deep down shes dead, yes, but I keep grasping at every little straw hoping thats not true and I cant help it. So for people to insult that or make snarky comments about those like me that cant help but hope shes alive even now, it is upsetting. I hate Casey with my whole being and feel that shes responsible for whatever happened to Caylee but being haunted with mental images of a dead child in my head, maybe its my way of coping with that to hold a glimmer of hope till I know her body is found.

So you can probably imagine how the grandparents must be feeling.

You should be able to speak your mind here; whatever your opinion is. As long as we stay within TOS we can have any opinion we want and feel free to discuss. Just scroll by anything snarky or report.
welcome.

 

[AlishaGail]

*hugs* all around...

Personally I believe that Caylee has died. I do hope that the end of the case will give us one of the biggest unsuspected endings of all time and she will be found alive and well. If that happens, I will love to give every kudos for stating their belief that she is alive--and more for truly believing it.

As far as the whole accidental versus intentional thoughts--I'm inclined to believe that an accident happened, and that's what I HOPE to believe. I have always hated to consider what babies go through when their parents intentionally hurt them, so this is the belief that I want to hold onto--that a terrible accident happened, and afterward Casey totally screwed up and has no idea how to fix things.

Anyway, I just wanted to jump onto this thread to see the theories and feelings. I have to say that there are definitely some good points in here, and in the end, it doesn't really matter what we all believe--the truth will simply exist, no matter how terrible...

Lisha

 

[Cagney]

I agree that George and Cindy were both in danger. I have a feeling that was the catalyst for the entire abduction circus. Caylee was abducted and the kidnappers killed G and C and they leave everything to Casey. /jmo

 

[TakingALook]

I think there is alot of things pointing to her NOT being alive. I try to hope that in some way that she is out there somewhere with someone.......but nothing we have heard points to that theory (except Casey's stating that she dropped her with the 'Nanny')

And this is something that I have wondered about for some time ........ The friend whom she said introduced her to the Nanny (forget their name....also this friend had a son) ??? Has this ever been verified from that friend? I have never seen it in a post.......thanks for any answers you might could send my way........ Did this friend really use Zany the Nanny and refer her to Casey????? I pray to God everyday that little Caylee can be found(alive or dead) and returned to her family.

 

[Boston]

I agree that George and Cindy were both in danger. I have a feeling that was the catalyst for the entire abduction circus. Caylee was abducted and the kidnappers killed G and C and they leave everything to Casey. /jmo

As crazy as it sounds that thought entered my mine as well

Maybe thats why she was telling everyone that she would be getting the house soon.

Who knows.....She must have been planning something because she had to have known that sooner or later she would have to account for Caylee's whereabouts.

imo

 

[CHICANA]

I am really bothered at how many people are insulting those who hold hope Caylee is alive. I chose to come to this site to discuss this case because it was supposed to be held to higher standards than the other similiar sites out there and that you could speak your mind and offer opinions without being belittled. Im not seeing that lately.

I have stated I STILL have hope that shes alive and I have my reasons. Let me expand on that because it prob wont make sense to alot of people but I do know theres a few others that feel the way I do.... I think Caylee is dead, and I think her mother killed her. I dont want to believe that shes dead, but I feel that thats the most likely situation and even more so now with more dna evidence coming out. I do believe science and that the tests done will prove it one way or the other. But I am a mom of a toddler, and I love my son more than life itself, I would die for him in a second. It makes me physically ill to think of a child being hurt or murdered and its very hard for me to accept. This is my own emotional issue and it causes me to have a hard time dealing with the death of a child under any circumstance. So, it is easier for me personally to keep hoping and praying that theres some mistake, something overlooked, that she is still out there. Do I feel deep down shes dead, yes, but I keep grasping at every little straw hoping thats not true and I cant help it. So for people to insult that or make snarky comments about those like me that cant help but hope shes alive even now, it is upsetting. I hate Casey with my whole being and feel that shes responsible for whatever happened to Caylee but being haunted with mental images of a dead child in my head, maybe its my way of coping with that to hold a glimmer of hope till I know her body is found.

This was a great post. Exactly how I feel but couldn't express. I heard the DNA evidence and I cried. I heard LE wasn't confirming and a little glimmer of hope crept back in, that maybe they were bluffing to get Casey to talk.
I see the pics of Casey and caylee smiling and happy and it doesn't fit with the Casey walking out of the house showing no emotion whatsoever. I watched that and thought, what a !#!#!, then I think, wait a minute, the only way she could act like that is if she thought her child was alive.
I really thought that after she got out, Caylee would be home w/in a week and if she wasn't she was dead. That week's up and still nothing.
I almost want them to give her full immunity or a short sentence, short enough that nobody has the time to forget because I think there are some people that are PO'd enough to take the law into their own hands.

I'd be happy to help with the alibi.

 

[amethyst221]

I think there is alot of things pointing to her NOT being alive. I try to hope that in some way that she is out there somewhere with someone.......but nothing we have heard points to that theory (except Casey's stating that she dropped her with the 'Nanny')

And this is something that I have wondered about for some time ........ The friend whom she said introduced her to the Nanny (forget their name....also this friend had a son) ??? Has this ever been verified from that friend? I have never seen it in a post.......thanks for any answers you might could send my way........ Did this friend really use Zany the Nanny and refer her to Casey????? I pray to God everyday that little Caylee can be found(alive or dead) and returned to her family.

If you look at the discovery documents, you will find information about this. The Jeff person who supposedly referred her to the nanny, who supposedly kept his kid, has no children, never heard of Zanny, didn't refer her, and hasn't worked where CA says for years. I believe there was also no Juliet Lewis who was working with CA, or where CA said, since of course CA wasn't working anywhere. So it was all fabrication.

 

[CHICANA]

I think there is alot of things pointing to her NOT being alive. I try to hope that in some way that she is out there somewhere with someone.......but nothing we have heard points to that theory (except Casey's stating that she dropped her with the 'Nanny')

And this is something that I have wondered about for some time ........ The friend whom she said introduced her to the Nanny (forget their name....also this friend had a son) ??? Has this ever been verified from that friend? I have never seen it in a post.......thanks for any answers you might could send my way........ Did this friend really use Zany the Nanny and refer her to Casey????? I pray to God everyday that little Caylee can be found(alive or dead) and returned to her family.

No. They interviewed the friend and he didn't know ZG and didn't refer her to anybody. I have no idea if he has a child.

 

[tuppence]

I agree that George and Cindy were both in danger. I have a feeling that was the catalyst for the entire abduction circus. Caylee was abducted and the kidnappers killed G and C and they leave everything to Casey. /jmo

I wonder about this too. I think it's very creepy that she was telling people that her parents were letting her takeover the house.

I also wonder about Cindy warning Casey's long time friend Ryan very recently that she was a socipath. Those are strong words and suggest that Cindy was pretty freaked out about things.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I am really bothered at how many people are insulting those who hold hope Caylee is alive. I chose to come to this site to discuss this case because it was supposed to be held to higher standards than the other similiar sites out there and that you could speak your mind and offer opinions without being belittled. Im not seeing that lately.

I have stated I STILL have hope that shes alive and I have my reasons. Let me expand on that because it prob wont make sense to alot of people but I do know theres a few others that feel the way I do.... I think Caylee is dead, and I think her mother killed her. I dont want to believe that shes dead, but I feel that thats the most likely situation and even more so now with more dna evidence coming out. I do believe science and that the tests done will prove it one way or the other. But I am a mom of a toddler, and I love my son more than life itself, I would die for him in a second. It makes me physically ill to think of a child being hurt or murdered and its very hard for me to accept. This is my own emotional issue and it causes me to have a hard time dealing with the death of a child under any circumstance. So, it is easier for me personally to keep hoping and praying that theres some mistake, something overlooked, that she is still out there. Do I feel deep down shes dead, yes, but I keep grasping at every little straw hoping thats not true and I cant help it. So for people to insult that or make snarky comments about those like me that cant help but hope shes alive even now, it is upsetting. I hate Casey with my whole being and feel that shes responsible for whatever happened to Caylee but being haunted with mental images of a dead child in my head, maybe its my way of coping with that to hold a glimmer of hope till I know her body is found.

Thank you for posting that, Misfit76. That is exactly how I feel. I was really hoping to read this thread to find other theories about what may have happened. Unfortunately, I read through 20 pages of arguing and people being rude to each other.

 

[MommaShark]

I am beginning to think that the hair that they collected from the trunk did not have the root attached. And I think they are still waiting on results for the stain. I continue to sit on the fence in hopes of a shocking revelation. Regardless we know there was a dead body in the trunk. Unfortunately or fortunately at this time we can not say that it was for sure little Caylee's. Please God send us an answer and a miracle.