Sniff tests, hair decomp, really so conclusive? Fence sitters thread

[MBS]

IMO, sadly, Caylee is most likely deceased, and her death was most likely the result of Casey's actions. However, I recognize that this opinion is based solely on information I've gotten from the media and online forums, which may or may not be accurate. The LE have not released actual test results to the public, nor should they, and we really don't know what they have. LE have been known to release information that was maybe not inaccurate, but slanted towards the prosecution, to put pressure on suspects. Not saying that has happened in this case, just that it sometimes does. I haven't seen a statement that specifically said the hair found in the trunk was found to be Caylee's through DNA testing, and was also found to have definitely come from a deceased body. The statements I've seen say that the sniffer test determined that a dead body was in the trunk, and the LE are relying on the hair to conclude that the body was Caylee's. There is a subtle difference between the statements released and the conclusion that hair must have been determined to come from Caylee's dead body, through conclusive scientific testing.

Also, I don't know if this sniffer machine is always 100% accurate, and there are experts who disagree that it can be determined a hair definitely came from a dead body. Like I said, I have my opinions, but they are based on news reports, and are subject to revision. I recognize that I could be wrong, and surely hope I am.

 

[websurfer]

I am asking
anybody from FLORIDA
Georgia
anywhere near there if anybody has gone missing or presumed dead from the area during that time?
Other than Caylee?
Has anybody whose body could have ended up in the car trunk gone missing ?

If so please list date they went missing or were presumed dead.

Within this timeframe..
surely if somebody else ended up in that trunk
and if it was not Caylee then who the heck was it and where is that person buried now?

 

[LaLaw2000]

Not always a case of *believing* it or not. Can be a case of denying it. Even consciously. Some people enjoy being contrary. Some people enjoy jerking other people's chains. Some people particularly enjoy it in relation to a charged situation.

Disgusting when that situation is beautiful little 2 year old baby who's dead.

I just have to agree with you on this one, BeanE! We are talking about an innocent, sweet little Caylee here. Not defending Casey and her obvious lies.

I think you have sized up the situation quite nicely!

 

[LaLaw2000]

I, personally, don't want to wonder, speculate, second guess, hypothesize, even read this whole thread.... I believe Casey, whether accidentally or on purpose, killed that child. I believe Caylee was in the trunk of that car and that she is dead. I also believe Casey is a sociopath or a psychological liar or whatever you want to call her. If different evidence comes up that STRONGLY points elsewhere I may change my views, but for now I stand where I stand.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - it is in all PROBABILITY A DUCK!!!

I say it's a duck with no doubt in my mind whatsoever.

Very well said, poco. As much as we hate it, sometimes we just have to identify the duck.

Given the overall facts we do have right now (even knowing that is not all LE has), it is a duck.

 

[LaLaw2000]

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[poco]

Supporters for the theory that Caylee is "alive and well" are more than welcome on this forum. It might be a good idea for them to start their own thread and discuss where they think she is is and/or how they can go about finding her. If they truly believe this, they need to get it together and start looking for her, too, and not just give us posts that indicate that they think she is still alive. It is their right to believe how they want to believe. I, however, do not agree with them and do not intend to change my mind.
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[BeanE]

No, I agree with this, that is what I recall from the hearing also. It doesn't conflict with what I was saying about Cindy posting on her myspace or facebook essentially 'why have you taken the baby away' and how distressed she was to be separated from Caylee. I was answering someone else's question there about did I think the grandparents would have been happy to take Caylee back if Casey had wanted to be free of the child, etc. I do think they would gladly have taken her back. my opinion only

Indeed it does not. Only with what you stated about Cindy and Casey having *no* contact during that time, Slick.

 

[BeanE]

Cindy's concern was being out of contact with Caylee.

It's very obvious that Casey used Caylee as a weapon to hurt her mother & her mother responded by laying a little guilt trip on her ungrateful daughter.

I bet she even knew that it would have NO effect on Casey except to make her enjoy knowing how much she was hurting her mom but Cindy probably felt better after she vented at least.

No reports or evidence of this other than Cindy's facebook comment on July 3, and her 3rd 911 call on July 15.

Unless I missed something. Did I miss something?

 

[BeanE]

Very true! And it does rile me up, (I have a grandaughter that was 3 in June and one that will be 3 this month) we all held out hope. Even though most thought that she was not with us anymore ...having it confirmed is just the kick in the gut. And the idea that this precious little girl is tossed aside like trash just is more than we can bear. So very sad!

It shakes me to my soul when children's bodies are tossed like garbage.

Hugs to you, Pondering.

 

[RhondaIL]

Statement from John Anthony re: looking for a body - Time Stamp: 1:21 into video

http://www.wftv.com/video/17358012/index.html

 

[amethyst221]

Lack of body, for me, is a non-issue. There was DNA evidence in that trunk that proves Caylee's body was in it, and that her body was decomposing at the time. I trust the FBI labs, and I'm assuming that the OSCO labs have tested it as well.

What Casey believes is irrelevant. She's a POI in her daughter's disappearance, has been nothing but dishonest and unhelpful throughout the investigation. GPs are NOT reliable for so many reasons -- they are grieving, and denial is usually the first step in that process. We have -through their own actions- reason to question how rational they are at the current time.

The sighting in the airport does not help. It came from Cindy -see above- rather than LE, and when LE did look into it, they found nothing to validate the claim (no video footage, no pictures, no recollection of Caylee from ANYBODY other than the woman who had made the claim -- not security, not other passengers, not airport employees, not people who were there to pick up/drop off passengers). There have been NO confirmed sightings of his child since 6/15.

As for there being no history of Casey being anything other than normal and affectionate towards Caylee,

• We have at least one person who has stated to LE that Casey did not want Caylee when she was pregnant.
• IIRC, in recent months, Casey had complained to somebody about how she could not go out and party b/c she had a child
• Casey did very little, if anything, to provide for Caylee at any point in Caylee's life [unemployed since 2006. Per Cindy's blog on 7/3, Cindy fed, sheltered, clothed that child AND provided for her with medical care. Taking no responsibility for your child and their needs is anything but normal or affectionate]
• Letting your 2 year old sleep in the same bed with you and your boyfriend [when the relationship isn't serious] is, IMO, sortakindareally creepy, and _not_ normal
• Dragging your two year old to poker parties, and putting her to sleep on the couch while people drink, smoke and do god knows what? Not normal.
• Lying to people about who cares for your child? Not normal.
• Waiting 30 days after your child "goes missing" -and all the time living it up and feeding people a steaming pile about how she's just fine and in the care of a nanny or her grandparents-, reporting her "disappearance" to authorities ONLY when forced to? Not normal. Not affectionate. Doing nothing but feeding the investigators who are pouring time and energy into locating your child, lies and hostility? Abnormal and cold.

So agree with your excellent post, but I guess it's also minimally interesting to see that the trial balloons floated by the defense are pretty much the expected. It's not difficult to persuade people to remain hopeful, even against hope, that Caylee might be alive, but getting any support for the defendant and her actions, or reaching so hard to find excuses for her, is going to be a really hard sell.

 

[BeanE]

That's all fine and good. But I will hold off for the hard evidence. Especialy now that it's being reported they are not sure. Plus I think that if they were 100% they would have a briefing and not just tell some of the media one thing and the others another.

Shark posted that no one had seen Sgt Allen's video news statements. I responded that people right in this forum had seen the statements.

This post appears to be an attempt to distract from him/her posting an untrue statement as if it was fact.

Posting pattern noted.

 

[jbar]

It is the ONLY Orlando media outlet reporting this . . .

Just want to point out that local6 is the ONLY Orlando media outlet reporting that weird myspace email/12 yr old girl hospitalized story too. They seem to report a lot of stores that are a bit "off".

 

[jbar]

MamaShark, please watch this video. Near the end, Detective Allen, lead investigator on this case says (this is not a direct quote - but close) "Clearly there was a dead body in the trunk of Casey's car, and evidence shows through DNA that it was Caylee."

http://www.wftv.com/video/17358012/index.html

ETA new link http://www.wesh.com/video/17354638/index.html

 

[susiemc]

Very well said, poco. As much as we hate it, sometimes we just have to identify the duck.

Given the overall facts we do have right now (even knowing that is not all LE has), it is a duck.

The duck did it...

 

[librarian_mama]

I thought the definition of a fence sitter was one who had not made their mind up either way.......you and a few others are only stating one side, not both.

By definition, are you sitting on the fence?

ETA: sit on the fence
to delay making a decision when you have to choose between two sides in an argument or a competition

Just got here today...ITA! I've been accused of having my mind already made up (guilty as charged!). The OP is just as guilty!

 

[CHICANA]

Also check out the CHILDS pillow case!

I zoomed in on this picture and it doesn't look like Casey to me.

 

[Tate]

When the family grieves I will grieve, for now I still believe Caylee was alive on July 5th and still is.
Feeling the urgency in CA's voice to 911 and the urgency in her voice when she called me about the tip, I cannot forget.
For me, WS has been so helpful, Thank you all even though the ones who slammed me on my first post, I'm greatful. Encouraged me to stay with WS to prove ME wrong.
So still on the fence, I guess, with very few, wish it were all over, till then everywhere I go I still look with much more awareness than ever before.
Thank you for this Thread!

Um, you must be a family member or very close friend???

 

[CHICANA]

Just want to point out that local6 is the ONLY Orlando media outlet reporting that weird myspace email/12 yr old girl hospitalized story too. They seem to report a lot of stores that are a bit "off".

The 12 year old girl's mother made a statement and said that she'd called Cindy when her daughter was hospitalized and heard Casey crying in the background. I don't remember the exact words but she said she was disgusted by casey now. I got the impression because Casey showed more emotion for the 12 year old than for her own daughter.

 

[JBean]

Um, you must be a family member or very close friend???

Not necessarily. Could be someone that phoned in a tip.