So who does Aphrodite Jones think is the killer is?

[Roy23]

"Not really. I'm actually trying NOT to be a jerk about this. I'm serious."

I see why you are such in a bad mood these days then. I pretty much take the total opposite view. Really I do and that is not to piss you off. I don't know how much effort and resources they are using now to solve this case but I do believe they are at least looking in different spectrums without tunnel vision.

A lot of people care about this case. I wish we were privy to all the information but they won't make that mistake again.

 

[Roy23]

And let's not forget that in any case of abuse, whether it results in a death or not, there is always a FIRST time. Even serial killers have a FIRST victim. In the JB case, the sexual abuse occurred on more that one occasion, so obviously there was a first instance. As for the violence of the death, there need not be ANY prior history of physical abuse (as opposed to sexual abuse). A burst of temper- a knee-jerk reaction to her scream- both easily translate to bashing her on the head with whatever was handy (maybe the flashlight) or slamming her into something hard enough to punch a piece of her skull out. NEITHER require a pattern of abuse. Sometimes the COD is the ONLY time.

SO many cases of both physical and sexual abuse happen in families where there was absolutely NO indication or "history" of abuse. "Pillars of the Community" seem to be especially prone to such cases- you know- the SECRET abusers. The people NO ONE would expect or believe could be guilty.

I can live with that. If that was my only reason for my beliefs I would buy it even more.

 

[Agatha_C]

I wouldn't think of it. I just thought it would help her out.

It sure helped me out.. Wow, idiots and morons, those were harsh words Roy..

Roy, parents can and do desecrate their own children (Not all, but many are capable and I would warn you not to argue that point with me....

 

[joeskidbeck]

And let's not forget that in any case of abuse, whether it results in a death or not, there is always a FIRST time. Even serial killers have a FIRST victim. In the JB case, the sexual abuse occurred on more that one occasion, so obviously there was a first instance. As for the violence of the death, there need not be ANY prior history of physical abuse (as opposed to sexual abuse). A burst of temper- a knee-jerk reaction to her scream- both easily translate to bashing her on the head with whatever was handy (maybe the flashlight) or slamming her into something hard enough to punch a piece of her skull out. NEITHER require a pattern of abuse. Sometimes the COD is the ONLY time.

SO many cases of both physical and sexual abuse happen in families where there was absolutely NO indication or "history" of abuse. "Pillars of the Community" seem to be especially prone to such cases- you know- the SECRET abusers. The people NO ONE would expect or believe could be guilty.

DeeDee, a lot of what you wrote are big reasons I feel the way I do about this crime. EXACTLY. There are probably thousands of people who think the R's are innocent simply because they were too good to do anything like this. Without going into detail, there are two cases in my life alone that contradict this. One is close family. Dont get me wrong, we are not rich like the R's (not me anyway) but we are a good family with a good name and nothing along the lines of sexual molestation had ever happened in our family until the day it did. Now, I know what kind of families it happens in: ALL KINDS. It's nothing to do with socieo-economic classes, good names, good families or anything else. It's a sickness that happens and until we stop giving a pass to ANYONE because of their name, background, or money, these things will happen. I'm certainly not the only person here who has first hand knowledge of this but I will stand up for victims because I know how they hurt and how they deserve to be listened to and believed. Sorry, off my platform now.

 

[Agatha_C]

DeeDee, a lot of what you wrote are big reasons I feel the way I do about this crime. EXACTLY. There are probably thousands of people who think the R's are innocent simply because they were too good to do anything like this. Without going into detail, there are two cases in my life alone that contradict this. One is close family. Dont get me wrong, we are not rich like the R's (not me anyway) but we are a good family with a good name and nothing along the lines of sexual molestation had ever happened in our family until the day it did. Now, I know what kind of families it happens in: ALL KINDS. It's nothing to do with socieo-economic classes, good names, good families or anything else. It's a sickness that happens and until we stop giving a pass to ANYONE because of their name, background, or money, these things will happen. I'm certainly not the only person here who has first hand knowledge of this but I will stand up for victims because I know how they hurt and how they deserve to be listened to and believed. Sorry, off my platform now.

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[Roy23]

It sure helped me out.. Wow, idiots and morons, those were harsh words Roy..

Roy, parents can and do desecrate their own children (Not all, but many are capable and I would warn you not to argue that point with me....

Sorry to disappoint you. It wasn't one of my better moments but I will own up to it. As bad as my words were, I still think calling a family that just lost their child murderers is worse than anything on this entire website.

Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if one day this codis matches an intruder it won't be just me needing to own up to my indescretions.

 

[BBB167893]

I see why you are such in a bad mood these days then.

I doubt it. I was trying to give you a chance to explain yourself. You seem to put a lot of trust into a group of people who have consistently been an industrial-strength foul-up. I notice someone asked the question: how can you believe that anyone who would give us JMK could know more about this case that we do?

I pretty much take the total opposite view. Really I do and that is not to piss you off.

I get you.

I don't know how much effort and resources they are using now to solve this case but I do believe they are at least looking in different spectrums without tunnel vision.

I should certainly HOPE so! We certainly saw enough of it from 2003-2009. And don't bother to deny it.

 

[Agatha_C]

Sorry to disappoint you. It wasn't one of my better moments but I will own up to it. As bad as my words were, I still think calling a family that just lost their child murderers is worse than anything on this entire website.

Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if one day this codis matches an intruder it won't be just me needing to own up to my indescretions.

Roy, I was far more dissapointed by your opinion that parents like the Rs wouldnt desecrate their own childs body like it was. Many here know that I am a foster parent and it isnt just poor children that come to my home and many have come.


One of my children (as they are all mine now. a bond that will never break) came from an affluent family. Her mother was potty breaking her and the child just wasnt catching on (she wasnt ready) her mother sat her in boiling water and at some point sewed her vagina shut. This precious child almost died. She lost both legs, she will never have children, and forever use a bag to go to the bathroom. She has grown to be beautiful, intelligent (top of her class at Tulane, thank you very much) and strives to change the world for children. Her mother it was determined had psychological issues that were kept hidden by not only she but certain family members, as to admit them was unthinkable, a shame and mark on the families names. So the child suffered and when she was left less then was acceptable to the near do wells, she was thrown away... Please dont ever say, parents like the Rs would NEVER do something like desecrate their childs body or all bets are off.

I can be quite aggressive on this topic and I wont apologies for it. I'm giving you fair warning now. If you had read any of my past posts you will know what I mean.

As for the words Idiot and moron, you're far more intelligent than that or at least thats what I thought...

 

[Roy23]

I doubt it. I was trying to give you a chance to explain yourself. You seem to put a lot of trust into a group of people who have consistently been an industrial-strength foul-up. I notice someone asked the question: how can you believe that anyone who would give us JMK could know more about this case that we do?



I get you.



I should certainly HOPE so! We certainly saw enough of it from 2003-2009. And don't bother to deny it.

JMK was basically admitting to the crime. He certainly caught MT's interest. He is hiding in Thailand and due to the treasure trove of information and junk on the internet, he had enough of it right to create probable cause and be looked at. Just like our Gov't just did with Osama, their plan was to not spook anyone here into allowing JMK to run away. They caught him and he turned out to be a nutcase.

I don't think ML looks as bad as most of you say. But I am not going to paint her in great light either. At least she followed up on something. And that seems to be a criticism you have of all LE on this case right now.

 

[Whaleshark]

I'm sure a catholic priest doesn't fit what one would imagine your 'typical scary child molester' to look like either.....but we all know how rampant that is....

the people we trust the most are often in fact the ones utilizing their power, manipulating victims, and betraying & exploiting that trust: teachers, principals, church leaders, family members, counselors, caregivers, police officers....

it is what it is

 

[Agatha_C]

I'm sure a catholic priest doesn't fit what one would imagine your 'typical scary child molester' to look like either.....but we all know how rampant that is....

the people we trust the most are often in fact the ones utilizing their power, manipulating victims, and betraying & exploiting that trust: teachers, principals, church leaders, family members, counselors, caregivers, police officers....

it is what it is

And therein lies the sad truth Shark.

 

[Roy23]

Roy, I was far more dissapointed by your opinion that parents like the Rs wouldnt desecrate their own childs body like it was. Many here know that I am a foster parent and it isnt just poor children that come to my home and many have come.


One of my children (as they are all mine now. a bond that will never break) came from an affluent family. Her mother was potty breaking her and the child just wasnt catching on (she wasnt ready) her mother sat her in boiling water and at some point sewed her vagina shut. This precious child almost died. She lost both legs, she will never have children, and forever use a bag to go to the bathroom. She has grown to be beautiful, intelligent (top of her class at Tulane, thank you very much) and strives to change the world for children. Her mother it was determined had psychological issues that were kept hidden by not only she but certain family members, as to admit them was unthinkable, a shame and mark on the families names. So the child suffered and when she was left less then was acceptable to the near do wells, she was thrown away... Please dont ever say, parents like the Rs would NEVER do something like desecrate their childs body or all bets are off.

I can be quite aggressive on this topic and I wont apologies for it. I'm giving you fair warning now. If you had read any of my past posts you will know what I mean.

As for the words Idiot and moron, you're far more intelligent than that or at least thats what I thought...

I said it was my opinion that the R's would not desecrate their childs body due to an accident that happened. LE's theory was that an accident occurred and they covered it up. I know horrible things have happened to affluent children.

Not once did I say affluent families never do bad things to their children.

You don't have to give me any warnings. It won't do any good.

 

[Agatha_C]

I said it was my opinion that the R's would not desecrate their childs body due to an accident that happened. LE's theory was that an accident occurred and they covered it up. I know horrible things have happened to affluent children.

Not once did I say affluent families never do bad things to their children.

You don't have to give me any warnings. It won't do any good.

And I was so hoping that you would get the full message in my post. Affluent people like to sweep the family shame under the rug and go to great lengths and expense to do so. Just take a look at the Kennedys and Skakels.

Ask yourself what was the reason for the medical records being denied to LE? What were the Rs hiding?

Many here, both IDI and RDI dont feel that abuse was taking place in that home. I however do. Its my opinion that several different forms of abuse had taken place from mental to physical. Just because friends didnt see it doesnt mean it wasnt happening or maybe they were afraid of what the Rs and LW would have done to them.

Why were PRs friends planning an intervention?

Why are the Rs the only people that dont lie?

You cant see air, does that mean it doesnt exist? You cant see God, but many believe that he is there?

(snip from your post)

You don't have to give me any warnings. It won't do any good

Good to know. Let the games begin!

 

[Roy23]

www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=73774


Here is the link requested on Beckner's statement FWIW.

 

[Agatha_C]

www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=73774


Here is the link requested on Beckner's statement FWIW.

Thank you..

 

[eileenhawkeye]

David Crespi was a bank executive who stabbed his 5-year-old twin daughters to death. People who make over 157K a year are the top 5% of the country, so since there are less of them, there are going to be less wealthy parents murdering their children, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or that if you're wealthy, you're "exempt" from killing your kid.

 

[Roy23]

And I was so hoping that you would get the full message in my post. Affluent people like to sweep the family shame under the rug and go to great lengths and expense to do so. Just take a look at the Kennedys and Skakels.

Ask yourself what was the reason for the medical records being denied to LE? What were the Rs hiding?

Many here, both IDI and RDI dont feel that abuse was taking place in that home. I however do. Its my opinion that several different forms of abuse had taken place from mental to physical. Just because friends didnt see it doesnt mean it wasnt happening or maybe they were afraid of what the Rs and LW would have done to them.

Why were PRs friends planning an intervention?

Why are the Rs the only people that dont lie?

You cant see air, does that mean it doesnt exist? You cant see God, but many believe that he is there?

(snip from your post)

You don't have to give me any warnings. It won't do any good

Good to know. Let the games begin!

AC,

I don't play games.

And FWIW, I have an autistic child and an adopted child. So don't preach to me.

 

[Roy23]

David Crespi was a bank executive who stabbed his 5-year-old twin daughters to death. People who make over 157K a year are the top 5% of the country, so since there are less of them, there are going to be less wealthy parents murdering their children, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or that if you're wealthy, you're "exempt" from killing your kid.

You guys must have trouble reading. But if you think your life is just as safe growing up in South Central LA versus Mystery lane it is fine with me. And usually people don't wait until they are 60 years old to act out on their fantasies. Please note the word usually.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

You guys must have trouble reading. But if you think your life is just as safe growing up in South Central LA versus Mystery lane it is fine with me. And usually people don't wait until they are 60 years old to act out on their fantasies. Please note the word usually.

What does "acting out your fantasy" have to do with JonBenet's case? Most RDI's do not believe that John or Patsy had been dreaming of murdering JonBenet. Something just went terribly wrong that night, someone whacked JBR with a flashlight, and then it was covered up to look like an intruder killed her.

 

[Roy23]

What does "acting out your fantasy" have to do with JonBenet's case? Most RDI's do not believe that John or Patsy had been dreaming of murdering JonBenet. Something just went terribly wrong that night, someone whacked JBR with a flashlight, and then it was covered up to look like an intruder killed her.

You were responding to to a post from AC where she is saying she believes JBR was being abused prior to her death. Give me a break. You RDI's are all over the place. This conversation is done anyhow. Dave has already admitted that he and I guess all RDI's know more about this case than the people who are investigating it. That says it all.