Someone, Somewhere knows

[coloradokares]

Give me some time to see if I can find that in a deposition. I do have an interview John Ramsey granted the National Enquirer (yeah, I know) where he distinctly told them that Burke had been awake.


http://www.acandyrose.com/04032001enquirer.htm


"John and Patsy Ramsey have changed the story they told cops about their daughter JonBenet's murder -- they now admit their son Burke was awake during that Christmas 1996 nightmare!

In an exclusive ENQUIRER interview, the nation's most infamous murder suspects say Burke was jolted awake by screams in their Boulder, Colo. home.

"Burke knew something horrible had happened. He heard us screaming. He heard Patsy ...a woman in terror," John confessed. "We thought he was asleep but he wasn't. Burke was awake.

"Burke was frightened. He had tears in his eyes. He knew something very, very wrong was going on."

Until being questioned by The ENQUIRER, the Ramseys had always insisted that Burke was still sleeping when police arrived at their home after Patsy's 911 call.

But now John has admitted to The ENQUIRER that Burke woke up before the 911 call was placed at 5:52 a.m. to summon police.

One lie begets another lie. If you lie on one point it'll force 10 more points to have to lie on. so many contradictions surround this whole thing.....does this really surprise anyone.

 

[icedtea4me]

If it were my child, I have no doubt I would be suspecting any and all, especially if they all had been up to something unusual that could have been risky for JonBenet. Of course Patsy shouldn't have put her at risk in any way whatsoever, and I wouldn't, but still, I dunno about those "friends". How could they even get there so fast the next morning?

There's this device inside a car called an acceleration pedal. You press down on it with your foot as you're driving the car and it makes it go faster.

-Tea

 

[coloradokares]

If it were my child, I have no doubt I would be suspecting any and all, especially if they all had been up to something unusual that could have been risky for JonBenet. Of course Patsy shouldn't have put her at risk in any way whatsoever, and I wouldn't, but still, I dunno about those "friends". How could they even get there so fast the next morning?

When your friends call you break your neck you jump out of bed run to the closet grabbing clean undies on the way. Splash water on your face. Run down the hall and you run fly out the door. I can't tell you how many times I ran out the door for a friend in need. Once locking myself out in the snow in my bunny slippers ..... That is what friends are for.

 

[icedtea4me]

When your friends call you break your neck you jump out of bed run to the closet grabbing clean undies on the way. Splash water on your face. Run down the hall and you run fly out the door. I can't tell you how many times I ran out the door for a friend in need. Once locking myself out in the snow in my bunny slippers ..... That is what friends are for.

Exactly. And at least we can be sure that Barbara Fernie and Priscilla White didn't spend no 20-30 minutes putting on any make-up, like Patsy said she did that morning.

-Tea

 

[kaykay]

Well, I believe BR is an adult now, and most likely, any women he dates would also be of an adult age too, so parental approval doesn't really play into it.

But, more importantly, do you say this because you think BR had something to do with it?

Yes, you'r right about JR being an adult now.
My hands didn't type what my brain was thinking. I was referring to through out the years before reaching adult.

That's correct, I have always thought BR was involved. I don't think he did it alone. Maybe other kids were involved too. (the Ram's friends kids?)

I have said on other links, I think that's why a few friends were called that morning.

I think PR wrote the note and the Ram's did the staging.
After all, they didn't want the kid's to be ridiculed the rest of their lives or have their *good name ruined*

This is just my opinion, not fact.
kaykay :twocents:

 

[JMO8778]

Thanks, Nuisanceposter.

I read over the deposition and don't see any refutation by the Ramsays about John's statement to the National Enquirer. So, I agree that the Ramsays change on Burke being awake could have been a legal preparation on the 911 call enhancement bluff.

Notice they didn't admit BR GOT up,or was on the 911 tape,just that he was awake,and they thought he wasn't.Seems to me they got caught in a lie, so they countered it with 'we thought he was asleep but he wasn't'. They had to have known better.If he had tears in his eyes and knew something was very wrong,(which sounds likely,given the reported "please,what do I do?"),it's doubtful he stayed in bed and cried and said that.(How dumb do the R's think everyone is anyway?)
Sry, I didn't mean to put 'I agree' in earlier.I think I misread the statement yesterday.

 

[Eagle1]

First of all I doubt I'd even think to call any friends, and second I can't imagine any that would so accelerate that early, if they weren't somehow involved. Mine would probably be sleepy.

Most of us are a lot more casual with our friends. And the RN said don't call anyone. I don't mean that as a criticizm of the family, just facts, that don't mean they killed their own child, even if like all of us they have some quirks.

Good comment about Watergate, SD. Do you suppose Lin Wood would pull a Mrs. Lincoln, if that was that secretary's name?

Regarding my not being sure PR said "Some things in life you just can't take back", that's surely just an internet rumor. If she'd said that on her death bed, how would we get hold of it? We didn't have spies in the house. It's got to be just a rumor. I sure wouldn't want to be starting any untruths.

 

[BBB167893]

So, you're saying that Lin Wood erased that part of the tape that was supposedly enhanced by the consultant?

I wouldn't put ANYTHING past that slimewad, Rupert. But I think it's more likely the DA's office was responsible for that one.

My understanding it was a copy of the original tape, not doctored in any way.

It was a copy, not a particularly good one, and you can do anything you want to them.

Wouldn't the BPD refute a doctored tape?

They did, or someone did. Allow me:

KANE:I listened to that tape, and there are people’s voices after Patsy Ramsey says “hurry, hurry, hurry.”

and:

SCHILLER: Well, Mr. Wood, you know, who I respect as an attorney and represents his clients well is being at this point guilty of the same thing he’s laying at the feet of everybody else. He is editing the facts so that the public perceives something a certain way. In fact, the Boulder Police Department did take either the original tape, I believe, or a first generation tape and did send it to the FBI and there was no results.
They did send it to the Secret Service and there were no results, only to discover that really there was more advance technology in a company in El Segundo, California that was in the aerospace business and dealt with these type of sound problems and they took the tape to El Segundo, California and there that company analyzed the tape and came up with what they believe was dialogue that continued a short time later after the phone was supposedly hung up.

SCHILLER: The tapes that NBC saw and the tapes that other people recently saw are not first generation or original tapes. They’re third and fourth generation tapes and that’s where the difference is.

If you can, please point to me the deposition where the Ramsays changed their statement about Burke being awake that early.

NP beat me to it!

I read over the deposition and don't see any refutation by the Ramsays about John's statement to the National Enquirer. So, I agree that the Ramsays change on Burke being awake could have been a legal preparation on the 911 call enhancement bluff.

That doesn't wash. If they didn't do it, they would KNOW it was a bluff.

Good comment about Watergate, SD. Do you suppose Lin Wood would pull a Mrs. Lincoln, if that was that secretary's name?

Like I said, Eagle1, that's just the kind of trick I've come to expect from him.

Regarding my not being sure PR said "Some things in life you just can't take back", that's surely just an internet rumor. If she'd said that on her death bed, how would we get hold of it? We didn't have spies in the house. It's got to be just a rumor. I sure wouldn't want to be starting any untruths.

It's not an internet rumor. It got started in the tabs. And she didn't say it in the house, she said it in the hospital a few months before she finally died.

 

[4sure]

http://www.acandyrose.com/04032001enquirer.htm




In an exclusive ENQUIRER interview,



Until being questioned by The ENQUIRER, The ENQUIRER

Yep thats where I go when I want the facts on any story. Come on! Know one even knows if its a real article from the paper.

 

[BBB167893]

It's legit.

 

[Eagle1]

............It's not an internet rumor. It got started in the tabs. And she didn't say it in the house, she said it in the hospital a few months before she finally died.

Thanks, SD, for clearing that up, that PR said, "Some things in life you just can't take back," to SOMEONE at the hospital.

Would you happen to know exactly WHO? So that we can know who told it to a tabloid?

I'll be waiting with baited breath. Notice I put the PR quote in my post so nobody has to go reading previous ones to find out what we're talking about? Because by the time an email notification with your answer comes, some of us will have forgotten what you were asked. Can you please put a reference to it in your answering post? It's a very short quote. Thanks much.

 

[luvbeaches]

I personally think that Patsy confided in the Priest of their church. I can't remember his name, but I think his last name started with an "R" possibly. I also believe he passed away.

John and Burke both know what happened. It's beyond me why they don't free themselves from this nightmare by telling what happened that night.

But who knows...this is nothing more than my opinion.

 

[narlacat]

I personally think that Patsy confided in the Priest of their church. I can't remember his name, but I think his last name started with an "R" possibly. I also believe he passed away.

John and Burke both know what happened. It's beyond me why they don't free themselves from this nightmare by telling what happened that night.

But who knows...this is nothing more than my opinion.

You mean Rol Hoverstock??
I didn't know he died.

Our only hope is when John dies, Burke may feel it safe to say something....but I doubt it.

 

[Rupert]

SuperDave,

If the Ramsays didn't outright refute the 911 enhancement right away I would agree that is suspicious. However, I see Lin Woods explanation on Larry King is that they changed only part of the storey, that Burke was apparently awake in his bed. They never said he was up.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/11/lkl.00.html
I know how lawyers work too. But I still think the tape enhancement stinks. Why haven't the BPD provided it to us so that we can see for ourselves?

Also, it really makes me wonder when things get so misinterpreted.

 

[luvbeaches]

You mean Rol Hoverstock??
I didn't know he died.

Our only hope is when John dies, Burke may feel it safe to say something....but I doubt it.

Yes, that's the guy. I know there's so much to remember from all this, but I thought he passed away. I could be wrong. But I thought I remember reading that whatever Patsy told him, went to the grave with him.

I've always believed that Burke knows what went on that night...but I do not believe he was involved in any way. I'm thinking the same way you are...maybe when John passes, Burke may finally say something. Poor kid. What a heavy load for him to carry.

Edited to add...I did a google search and I can't find any info about Rev. Hoverstock passing away. I don't recall where I'd read this...but it seems I was wrong.

 

[BBB167893]

Thanks, SD, for clearing that up, that PR said, "Some things in life you just can't take back," to SOMEONE at the hospital.

Would you happen to know exactly WHO? So that we can know who told it to a tabloid?

I'm afraid I don't know.

If the Ramsays didn't outright refute the 911 enhancement right away I would agree that is suspicious. However, I see Lin Woods explanation on Larry King is that they changed only part of the storey, that Burke was apparently awake in his bed. They never said he was up.

Actually, they did. In one TV interview, John said that he was awake, asking questions and crying.

I know how lawyers work too.

This one is no exception.

But I still think the tape enhancement stinks. Why haven't the BPD provided it to us so that we can see for ourselves?

Because they don't have it, anymore. The DA has it.

 

[kaykay]

Thanks, 4sure.

KayKay,
My response was not intended for your statement alone. Sorry for being vague or so expressive in reply to your post. I was responding to the fact that most people think BR was involved because of an enhancement on a tape that was never officially released to the public. I don't know how this was leaked to the public and have never seen an official statement by the BPD. If anyone has a copy of the tape with the enhancement, please share it. But no. We only have a leak that says certain indivuals in a consultant firm who enhanced the tape believed they heard John and Patsy talking to Burke on the 911 call that fateful morning. I have heard the original tape and don't hear Burke's voice at all.

I don't know who did it.
RN looks like Patsy's writing. To me it was her writing or someone very close who could imitate her writing.
There doesn't appear to be much intruder evidence. So, if it was an intruder, they had a key.
I could go on about the pre and post crime evidence and motive about the R's and their friends.
Oxzam's razor sure made the R's look guilty.

However, the so called enhanced tape seems to have put everyone over the edge about the R's coverup. Bluecrab has his theory about that. If the enhanced tape really does indicate Burks'e voice on it, then it should be made public because the leak has already been made. Throw it or show it! Admit the enhancement was wrong or give the public the enhancement.

Just put yourself in the same situation. Cops say they have a tape that says your guilty, yet they won't show it. Cops I know would never do that. First the bungling of the crime scene, then arguments with the DA, and then that so called enhancement. That enhancement of Patsy's 911 call should have been handled much more carefully.

Perhaps another thread on the so called enhanced tape could be started by someone who knows the origin of that leak.

Just for fun: "Listen carefully" to the tape if you can find it.

Rupert,
Listening to the tape that was enhanced didn't have anything to do with me thinking BR was involved.

But I understand what you'r saying.

I don't have an opinion on the idea that some people think BRDI after listening to the tape.

This was my first thought the week JB was murdered. Something just didn't sound right.

As I said before, my old compurter crashed so there things I'm not able to back up, so there are things that I hesitate posting.

So many of the oldies that could back up things, and may have saved records are no longer around.

What people say now are somewhat diffrent than what people knew back then. But, everyone is entitled to their opinions and I respect that.

When I listened to the enhanced tape I couldn't hear anything at the end. But, it makes me wonder after the Ram's changed their story and admitted BR was awake.

What I post isn't fact...It's just MHO
kaykay :twocents:

 

[Eagle1]

SuperDave says in a post above that he doesn't know to whom at the hospital PR may have said that about not being able to take back some things. So, frankly, it seems pretty unlikely she would have said such a thing to any complete stranger who then would have reported or sold it to the tabloids. We'd better throw that out. I was fooled at first too. It sort of sounded like PR, didn't it? Could that be a clue?

According to the housekeepers at Charlevoix, someone was sleeping in JonBenet's bed there, likes to impersonate people? A form of identity theft? Just musing about it. Someone also sneaked a snapshot of a dictionary into the evidence folder, which hadn't been there when the crime scene was processed. "The Shadow"?

I certainly don't think Burke did this. But he reportedly said when asked about noise during the night that he'd heard the house creaking.

It was an old house. Would the floor creaking wake him? Or did he just realize that floors creak when someone's moving about at night?

 

[Veronica10]

I agree, I think we will hear from Burke at some pioint in the future after his father passes away. When he has his own children, things will completely change for him. I think what happened at his house in Boulder Colorado on Christmas night 1996 will take on a whole new meaning and he will be unable to keep quiet any longer.

 

[Solace]

I agree, I think we will hear from Burke at some pioint in the future after his father passes away. When he has his own children, things will completely change for him. I think what happened at his house in Boulder Colorado on Christmas night 1996 will take on a whole new meaning and he will be unable to keep quiet any longer.

I disagree with that Veronica. After his seeing how the media reacted to John Karr, he would never bring that kind of attention to himself. If he told anyone, it might be a psychiatrist, but never the general public.