South Africa - Anni Dewani, 28, shot to death, Gugulethu, 13 Nov 2010 #3

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 3m3 minutes ago

Tongo: Monde did say that. I said the amount of money and how he gets paid, does not concern me.

VZ: Mr. Tongo, you told the court that you heard Monde say over the phone that the man is willing to pay R15000

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah ‏@vanessapoonah01 1 min1 minute ago

#DewaniTrial Tongo: Monde did say he wants R5000. I said to him, I know nothing about the payment. #sabcnews

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 3m3 minutes ago

Tongo: Correct

VZ: Your statement says that Monde told you he wanted R5000 & the other men must get R10000?

VZ: These statements seem to be in contradiction.

Tongo repeats his previous answer.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 23s23 seconds ago

Traverso: So who was Mr. Dewani going to pay?

Tongo: The accused was going to pay the young men

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 37s37 seconds ago

VZ: How was he going to get his money?

Tongo: From them

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 38s38 seconds ago

VZ: Mr. Qwabe told this court, for what it's worth, that Monde told him that someone wanted a job done & he said you can give them my number. You later called. He said the details were not discussed.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 28s28 seconds ago

Tongo: I did speak to the young man at sunset. I was just continuing the conversation Monde had with him.

 

[zwiebel]

News24 ‏@News24 1 min1 minute ago

#DewaniTrial VZ points out contradictions in Tongo's statements regarding payment of Monde. Tongo: Payment had nothing to do with me.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen ‏@LA_JANSEN 51s51 seconds ago

VZ: Mr. Mbolombo testified about this, in the trial of Mr. Mngeni.....

((Court adjourns for tea))

 

[zwiebel]

RAHIMA ESSOP ‏@rahimaessop 1 min1 minute ago

#DewaniTrial tea adjournment, RE

 

[ColonelMustard]

The plot thickens........ Second murder!

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/11/shrien-dewani-linked-second-murder


<<<<<<<<<<<<full article at link>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I don't know anything about all of this but the article says,

He said the doctor's widow, Heather Raghavjee, had travelled from King's William Town to Cape Town to comfort Dewani after the murder.
But he said they had never previously met and the widow had made the journey at the request of her daughter-in-law, Alvita Raghavjee, who lives in the Bristol area and knows the Dewani family.

Maybe this is reasonable in the Indian culture but, if not, I just think it's weird. If this woman just happened to already be in Cape Town, I can see it. But traveling all the way from the UK to support a guys you've never met and he's never met you - when HIS family was already there ( yes?) seems unbelievable to me.

Anyone else that can weigh in?

 

[zwiebel]

Someone, somewhere, double crossed someone else with the money, I think? That's why the story is so messed up. No idea who it really was though, Dewani or one of the others.

 

[newone]

I don't know anything about all of this but the article says,

He said the doctor's widow, Heather Raghavjee, had travelled from King's William Town to Cape Town to comfort Dewani after the murder.
But he said they had never previously met and the widow had made the journey at the request of her daughter-in-law, Alvita Raghavjee, who lives in the Bristol area and knows the Dewani family.
Maybe this is reasonable in the Indian culture but, if not, I just think it's weird. If this woman just happened to already be in Cape Town, I can see it. But traveling all the way from the UK to support a guys you've never met and he's never met you - when HIS family was already there ( yes?) seems unbelievable to me.

Anyone else that can weigh in?

her son......is friend of SD and lives in Bristol too ((same age))...........

bbm: her daughter in law made ''request'' ((more like her son JMHO))

 

[newone]

Someone, somewhere, double crossed someone else with the money, I think? That's why the story is so messed up. No idea who it really was though, Dewani or one of the others.

I understood Monde was to get his cut from the two car jackers

SD was to pay Tongo ---- that's what I gleaned from previous testimony

SD --- cheapie that he is short shrifted everyone

left money in back seat pocket instead of front seat

paid tongo day after the car jacking...and short changed him

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I don't know anything about all of this but the article says,

He said the doctor's widow, Heather Raghavjee, had travelled from King's William Town to Cape Town to comfort Dewani after the murder.
But he said they had never previously met and the widow had made the journey at the request of her daughter-in-law, Alvita Raghavjee, who lives in the Bristol area and knows the Dewani family.

Maybe this is reasonable in the Indian culture but, if not, I just think it's weird. If this woman just happened to already be in Cape Town, I can see it. But traveling all the way from the UK to support a guys you've never met and he's never met you - when HIS family was already there ( yes?) seems unbelievable to me.

Anyone else that can weigh in?

I agree, what is her motive to come support him. I wish SD's past could really be looked into with a fine tooth comb. If he has a hand in another murder which just happens to occur in SA, well that is too much of a coincidence. And even if he wasn't involved, maybe having the knowledge that hit men can be found so easily and cheaply was a risk worth taking to free himself and come out looking like a grieving 'straight' widower. jmo

 

[newone]

I agree, what is her motive to come support him. I wish SD's past could really be looked into with a fine tooth comb. If he has a hand in another murder which just happens to occur in SA, well that is too much of a coincidence. And even if he wasn't involved, maybe having the knowledge that hit men can be found so easily and cheaply was a risk worth taking to free himself and come out looking like a grieving 'straight' widower. jmo

bbm: even if the two events aren't ''seamlessly'' connected....perhaps his friends in Bristol told him of their tragedy and innocently conveyed information which SD exploited == he couldn't resist the temptation. MOO

 

[ColonelMustard]

Reeling with his testimony really - Did Tongo stop and think at all about what he was arranging? Doesn't seem like it.

I can't find it right now but there was a guy on Long Island? NYC? New Jersey? who was having real financial trouble. He and his family knew that he was worth more dead than alive and - out of love?? - they agreed he would die so they could get the insurance money - double if it was an accident.

So this guy goes down to a seedy neighborhood and asks a guy to kill him. The guy said yes, for $8,000. When the man came back with the dough, the guy ran off with the money. Desperate, the man asks another guy walking down the street to do it, tells him why, gave him some money and the guy actually did it!!! Just like that.

The man told the guy exactly what to do.

If I remember correctly they both thought it would be a mercy killing if the guy tied up the man in the man's car in the driver's seat and held the knife on the steering wheel, facing the man. The guy just held it there while the man threw his body into the knife a few times until he passed out and bled to death. The guy with the money walked away thinking there was no problem, that he hadn't murdered the man.

I can't recall how the cops put it altogether but the guy was really surprised when he was arrested. WISH I could find a link. There was a TV crime drama show about it.

Soooooooooooo, I guess you can find anyone to do almost anything for money and/or promises f financial gain.

PS. If I'm recalling correctly, the man was in perfect health and had no mental health issues - so to speak.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen &#8207;@LA_JANSEN 4m4 minutes ago

VZ: Mr. Tongo, I would like to read you a passage from Mr. Mbolombo's evidence given in the Mngeni trial

 

[zwiebel]

vanessa poonah &#8207;@vanessapoonah01 2 mins2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial proceedings resume after tea break. Van Zyl to read from Monde Mblolombo's testimony during trial of Xolile Mngeni.#sabcnews

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Leigh-Anne Jansen &#8207;@LA_JANSEN 51s51 seconds ago

VZ reads

VZ: Monde refers to Spra as Abongile. Do you know about that?

Tongo: No, I don't.

((VZ continues reading))