NOT GUILTY South Africa - Anni Dewani, 28, shot to death, Gugulethu, 13 Nov 2010 #5

[PrimeSuspect]

The few comments to the above link show what they think of the police.

The comments are very illuminating. Clever, highly educated Dewani, versus local, poorly educated, easily confused black man, Tongo, who btw, had 5 children with different mothers! He was definitely a desperate man but funny thing, so was Dewani, for different reasons. JMO

 

[PrimeSuspect]

It has been asserted that SD did not benefit from life insurance from Anni's death, but I have to wonder out loud if his family's company did - it's not uncommon for directors or officers of a company to be life insured with proceeds being payable to the corporation. MOO

I wouldn't be surprised, I'm so glad you've thought of it. I hope someone in the know reads your suggestion, they might look into it.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

BIB

If they were not legally married, why did he not just walk away? It was a bit drastic to murder her. I have to be missing something here.

With respect to the Wiki content. It can be edited by anyone I believe. I have not read it before but has anyone been religiously following it and noticed what has been altered? The last occasion was 10th November 2014 at 8.10am. That could be quite interesting.

Dewani could be a raving psychopath, who knows? Maybe, his solution to problems is eliminating them. Anni, I believe became a problem. SD went to a lot of effort for the lavish, 3 day wedding with over 500 guests in Mumbai. It had to be perfect, he and Anni fought over everything, the colour scheme, decorations etc. etc. His first words to her at this celebration was a criticism of her Sari?! What man takes control of a wedding and complains about his beautiful bride's Sari? It's suppose to be the bride's day, but he was like a petulant child, it was HIS day.

They go through with it and it was a success. They fooled everyone into believing they were in love, SD must have congratulated himself what a fine actor he is. Unfortunately, he didn't count on the honeymoon and Anni wanting a husband and a lover. It probably sickened him and she may have said things which angered him. Anni says he told her he would never have gone through with it if he knew what was involved. What could Anni have done within days of their wedding that he regrets it?! Surely she hadn't turned into a nagging fishwife in a week?! She even questions him in her email, why did he marry her? Why take her from her family, home and job? She gave up everything and for what? Probably, he thinks he's the one that gave up everything, he appears to me like a sanctimonious martyr who did all for family and the community, that can eat away at a self serving egotist.

Imo, Anni was going back to England with a story to tell, and it wasn't going to be pretty. The 500 guests at their wedding would want explanations, how could it end so quickly? SD arranges it that he goes back as the grieving husband, it could have been perfect just like his wedding.

It's very hard to get inside the mind of a killer. It can be about money, revenge, rage, jealousy or even perceived public humiliation at being outed. It's not easy to understand but there seems to be many in the Indian community that do. Maybe, the state should bring someone in to educate the court on why a man might go to such lengths, obviously, a man of low character, I must add.

That's my :twocents:

JMO

 

[patCee]

Seems that SD arranges his life through the family companies, how convenient. Any tax avoidance is denied by Max Clifford his PR man.

Cape Town claim Shrien Dewani wedding booked as a convention - Shrien Dewani, who is fighting extradition to South Africa to stand trial for the murder of his wife, Anni, allegedly booked his lavish wedding as a three-day convention through his family company PSP Healthcare.

http://www.conference-news.co.uk/ne...en-Dewani-wedding-booked-as-a-convention/2671

 

[jslk]

With respect to the Wiki content. It can be edited by anyone I believe. I have not read it before but has anyone been religiously following it and noticed what has been altered? The last occasion was 10th November 2014 at 8.10am. That could be quite interesting.

Respectfully snipped. Good catch, I didn't check when it was edited last. [emoji4]

 

[patCee]

Seems Anni did get involved in the Dewani's business.

Anni Hindocha visited her cousin Sneha in Luton, Bedfordshire, England in 2009, and met Shrien Dewani through mutual friends. Their first formal date was to watch The Lion King at the Lyceum Theatre in London's West End, and they then alternated their weekend meetings between Bristol and Stockholm. After gaining permission from her family, Shrien proposed to Anni at the Hôtel Ritz, Paris, in June 2010, with a £25,000 diamond engagement ring balanced on a red rose.[7] Shortly afterwards, Anni moved to Bristol to help her fiancé run his family's care home business. Under her maiden name, in 2010 Anni entered Bristol's Top Model competition.[3] The couple married at the Lake Powai resort outside Mumbai, India, on 29 October.[6] 200 guests attended the traditional three-day Hindu marriage event.[8] They were planning a civil ceremony that would take place in the UK in 2011, for friends who could not attend the Indian ceremony.[7]

BBM

http://www.hejac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=271

 

[newone]

Seems that SD arranges his life through the family companies, how convenient. Any tax avoidance is denied by Max Clifford his PR man.



http://www.conference-news.co.uk/ne...en-Dewani-wedding-booked-as-a-convention/2671

yikes.....makes me wonder if SD told his accountant to write the 'honeymoon' off as a ''team building'' exercise ? (sorry it's Friday and I am getting punchy):gaah:

 

[jslk]

So, in May 2012 the Wiki entry contained the reference to Anni working for PSP. Nice find patCee. Frustrating that there was no reference for that claim though! This is pretty tantalising.

 

[patCee]

So, in May 2012 the Wiki entry contained the reference to Anni working for PSP. Nice find patCee. Frustrating that there was no reference for that claim though! This is pretty tantalising.

You're right re a reference.....If Anni did help in the Dewani's business I guess it would have been fleeting, because earlier in 2010 she and her cousin shared a flat in Luton. The engagement to SD in June 2010, she also entered a model competition. Then she turned down a well paid job in London to concentrate on planning the wedding which involved spending time in India.

By March 2010, Sneha and Anni had moved together from Sweden into a flat in Luton, where Anni would spend the day job-hunting before making dinner. Luton is 2/3 hours drive from the Dewani 'empire'.

Two months later Anni and Shrien’s families met in Bristol, and in June Dewani proposed with a £25,000 ring over dinner at the Ritz in Paris.

"Anni was so committed to planning the perfect wedding that she turned down an offer of a £40,000-a-year job in London so she could spend three months attending to every detail in *India. Sneha said: “A bride normally thinks about herself but Anni was more concerned that everyone in her *family should look amazing".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/honeymoon-murder-one-year-on-91199

 

[jslk]

Presumably it would have been fairly straightforward for Sneha to have corroborated this claim (or not) when she was on the stand. It has to have come from somewhere - either way, it potentially suggests that Tongo didn't just pluck the idea of Anni being a business associate out of thin air. IMO.

 

[Estelle]

Dewani could be a raving psychopath, who knows? Maybe, his solution to problems is eliminating them. Anni, I believe became a problem. SD went to a lot of effort for the lavish, 3 day wedding with over 500 guests in Mumbai. It had to be perfect, he and Anni fought over everything, the colour scheme, decorations etc. etc. His first words to her at this celebration was a criticism of her Sari?! What man takes control of a wedding and complains about his beautiful bride's Sari? It's suppose to be the bride's day, but he was like a petulant child, it was HIS day.

They go through with it and it was a success. They fooled everyone into believing they were in love, SD must have congratulated himself what a fine actor he is. Unfortunately, he didn't count on the honeymoon and Anni wanting a husband and a lover. It probably sickened him and she may have said things which angered him. Anni says he told her he would never have gone through with it if he knew what was involved. What could Anni have done within days of their wedding that he regrets it?! Surely she hadn't turned into a nagging fishwife in a week?! She even questions him in her email, why did he marry her? Why take her from her family, home and job? She gave up everything and for what? Probably, he thinks he's the one that gave up everything, he appears to me like a sanctimonious martyr who did all for family and the community, that can eat away at a self serving egotist.

Imo, Anni was going back to England with a story to tell, and it wasn't going to be pretty. The 500 guests at their wedding would want explanations, how could it end so quickly? SD arranges it that he goes back as the grieving husband, it could have been perfect just like his wedding.

It's very hard to get inside the mind of a killer. It can be about money, revenge, rage, jealousy or even perceived public humiliation at being outed. It's not easy to understand but there seems to be many in the Indian community that do. Maybe, the state should bring someone in to educate the court on why a man might go to such lengths, obviously, a man of low character, I must add.

That's my :twocents:

JMO

I agree with you. IMO the court needs to understand Indian culture which is all about saving face and creating harmony especially for the females. They are not supposed to criticise.

http://www.culture-4-travel.com/saving-face.html

If a husband or wife has an unhappy marriage, the community assumes that it is because of some bad actions they committed in a past life. Dharma forces a couple to remain married even if it is unhappy. Being divorced in Indian culture carries with it a strong stigma. When an Indian marriage fails, there is often a feeling of shame, guilt and fear of social rebuke. As a result, couples stay together no matter how painful the situation is.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id...=saving face in Hindu culture divorce&f=false.

 

[Interested Bystander]

I agree with you. IMO the court needs to understand Indian culture which is all about saving face and creating harmony especially for the females. They are not supposed to criticise.

http://www.culture-4-travel.com/saving-face.html

If a husband or wife has an unhappy marriage, the community assumes that it is because of some bad actions they committed in a past life. Dharma forces a couple to remain married even if it is unhappy. Being divorced in Indian culture carries with it a strong stigma. When an Indian marriage fails, there is often a feeling of shame, guilt and fear of social rebuke. As a result, couples stay together no matter how painful the situation is.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id...=saving face in Hindu culture divorce&f=false.

The following article is dated 2005 and since then Hindu marriage has moved on even more.

The Hindu attitude to divorce and women really has moved on a lot in the last 30 years. It is no longer a problem to get a divorce if one is a Hindu living in Europe and educated. Anni made it quite clear that she was prepared to walk out. If she were to abide by the old traditions this would not have been possible.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...679/Divorce-soars-in-Indias-middle-class.html

For Ranjana Kumari, a sociologist and author of Brides are not for Burning, rising divorce rates are an indicator of women's empowerment. "In the past," she said, "women had little or no choice but to stay with their husbands except in instances of extreme abuse or cruelty.

"They had to tolerate it, to learn to live with their men. With economic empowerment, that is no longer so."

The social stigma of divorce has also receded. Gitanath Ganguly, a broadcaster and chairman of the West Bengal legal aid service, recalled making a television programme on divorce in 1976.

"In those days if a woman got divorced her family would hide her in a separate room, even from her uncles and aunts because of the shame it brought on the family. Attitudes have totally changed."

 

[JudgeJudi]

Who really paid for Dewani hitman's funeral?

The police want to know why a mystery donor or foreign human rights group would fund the large legal costs of a man who had chosen a life of crime.

http://mg.co.za/article/2014-11-18-who-really-paid-for-dewani-hitmans-funeral?ars=true

 

[JudgeJudi]

I've travelled over the greater part of India as my husband and I used to go there year after year for a month at a time. What I can add to this discussion is that you really can't generalise because it very much depends on where you are, the class (not caste) of people you're speaking about and their level of education. Even now in 2014 almost 70% of marriages are arranged, but that doesn't necessarily mean forced. The higher the level of education, the more choices the women seem to have. This applies not only to the question of marriage but also dress amongst other things.

Poor people in the rural areas are the ones who still tend to have it foisted on them whether the couple are willing or not. That's why so many women are killed each year when it's not working out or it's a matter of dowry. Dowry is banned in India but it's very much the norm. In the cities you see thoroughly modern young women who live much like we do but they have enormous respect for their parents and trust them to seek out good husbands. It's the younger up and coming generation who bring about change, and as the middle class is growing at an amazing rate and more and more Indians are travelling abroad, their attitudes are changing. Don't think for a moment though that the poor people have anything like the same freedoms as the more affluent and well educated people who now reside in cities because they don't. In fact, a third of the population, about 400 million people, still live below the poverty line and can only spend approx. $1.25 per day. That sort of puts things in perspective.

"In a crime that is prevalent only in India, greedy husbands and his relatives harass the newly wed bride for getting more dowry, and often kill her in the process. And, very often, she is burnt alive. This horror is therefore called bride-burning or in official terms, dowry death".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ide-burnt-every-hour/articleshow/11644691.cms

"In 2010, there were 8391 reported cases of dowry death in the country. That works out to a shocking one death every hour approximately. Bride-burning is on the increase — just a decade ago, in 2000, there were 6995 cases".

The question of divorce is covered well in this article.
http://www.mapsofindia.com/my-india...orce-in-india-women-empowerment-a-major-cause

 

[PrimeSuspect]

From the sources below, Dewani and Anni were both from the Lohana caste, which on the scale of the caste system belongs to the Vaishyas (Merchants, Landowners) group.

SD's former fiancée was also from the Lohana (searched their name, Kansagra), so it is of utmost importance to the community that they marry within their caste system and it's a duty to marry, not a choice, but the marriages are not arranged by parents, but their choice of bride must meet with the parent's approval.

I don't believe Dewani could remain a bachelor, it wasn't an option for him if he wanted good standing in his community. Anni was a well-educated and modern young woman who would have walked out on the marriage if she found anything amiss. If we are to throw homosexuality into the mix, imo, that would have created an enormous embarrassment of epic proportions for the Dewani family, as well as for Shrien. It is something to keep in mind with all that played out. JMO

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-honeymoon-flight-shot-dead-says-father.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Anni_Dewani


Lohana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohana

 

[newone]

State and defence submissions won't be available to the media until after Monday, Leigh Anne has just tweeted. She seems to be having a little Q &A session at the moment.

I also saw a complaint elsewhere about references to charges being dropped rather than discharged. It made me wonder if SA works in the same way as the UK and US - when state drops charges it doesn't necessarily mean a suspect has been cleared, while if the court dismisses or discharges the charges, it usually does, I think?

just bumping this up for easier reference.......

guess we will just bide our time --- Monday may be a ''non starter'' for the media after all

 

[newone]

"Businessman Shrien Dewani will find out on Monday if he is free to fly home to Bristol after standing trail for the murder of his bride Anni on their honeymoon.

South African judge Jeanette Traverso is due to rule on Monday morning if the case against the 34-year-old from Westbury-on-Trym should be thrown out.''


Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Cuold-...tory-24627497-detail/story.html#ixzz3Jx19eLk0
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[KING Charles]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846762/Dewani-confident-free-said-packed-bags.html

According to a source at the Valkenberg psychiatric hospital, where he has been held since his extradition to Cape Town in April, 34 year-old Dewani 'is on top of the world' at the prospect of going home a free man.
'He's very happy. He is in good spirits. He is on top of the world. And that's not because of medication because he isn't on any.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Leigh-Anne Jansen @LA_JANSEN • 43m 43 minutes ago
#DewaniTrial Arguments are scheduled to be heard from 10am CAT. It's unlikely that a verdict will be handed down

Leigh-Anne Jansen @LA_JANSEN • 42m 42 minutes ago
#DewaniTrial If the discharge is granted, Shrien Dewani will be a free man. If not, the trial will continue as scheduled

Leigh-Anne Jansen @LA_JANSEN • 41m 41 minutes ago
#DewaniTrial If the discharge is granted, Shrien Dewani will be a free man. If not, the trial will continue as scheduled

Leigh-Anne Jansen @LA_JANSEN • 41m 41 minutes ago
#DewaniTrial The world's media have returned to the Western Cape High Court. Many, in anticipation that Shrien Dewani will be acquitted

Argument due to commence in half an hour (10am SA)

 

[PrimeSuspect]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846762/Dewani-confident-free-said-packed-bags.html

According to a source at the Valkenberg psychiatric hospital, where he has been held since his extradition to Cape Town in April, 34 year-old Dewani 'is on top of the world' at the prospect of going home a free man.
'He's very happy. He is in good spirits. He is on top of the world. And that's not because of medication because he isn't on any.

I had a chuckle at that comment. :blush: