NOT GUILTY South Africa - Anni Dewani, 28, shot to death, Gugulethu, 13 Nov 2010 #5

[eimajjjj]

BBM - well, in the judge's own words, these men would not have killed for a few thousand rand, so if you accept that 'logic' then why would you accept that it have been a robbery? If they thought they stood to gain more by kidnapping her, then they would've done exactly that .. kidnapped her.

That's exactly what I think they were doing!

But even if it was just a robbery, in the car at that point was R10,000 plus whatever the couple were wearing/carrying . That's very profitable for just a robbery, rather than a hit!

 

[newone]

"Only"?!

I believe, if I remember correctly, he's in for 18 yrs.....

 

[eimajjjj]

this case failed due to poor PT prep .......

Or possibly three lying criminals made the story up to get out of jail earlier and didn't work?

 

[jay-jay]

And I do not understand why an accused cannot be convicted on their own, incriminating testimony either.

~rsbm~

.. me neither .. if you're not guilty then you're not going to incriminate yourself, are you?! Only the guilty need worry about that .. so why are they being protected? No wonder OP gave evidence .. it was his way of saying 'I'm must be being truthful because I wouldn't be stupid enough to give evidence otherwise' (only thing is, many of us know different .. and he incriminated himself over and over, whilst giving evidence).

 

[eimajjjj]

I believe, if I remember correctly, he's in for 18 yrs.....

It means he'd serve 9. And if you take five years of 18 then he'd serve 6. I doubt someone like that would bat an eyelid in incriminating someone to shave off a third of the prison time. Sorry but "only shaving five years of his sentence isn't enough motivation" doesn't work for me.

 

[zwiebel]

POWER987 News ‏@POWER987News 24s24 seconds ago

#DewaniTrial Mncube: The director of public prosecutions will now go and study the judgement..

 

[jay-jay]

Or possibly three lying criminals made the story up to get out of jail earlier and didn't work?

.. they would've known they would still have had to serve substantial jail sentences, which then goes back to Zweibs comment .. which I was going to say the exact same thing .. they had no real reason to make up a story about it having been a contract killing, it's not exactly going to let them off the hook to say that, is it.

 

[jay-jay]

It means he'd serve 9. And if you take five years of 18 then he'd serve 6. I doubt someone like that would bat an eyelid in incriminating someone to shave off a third of the prison time. Sorry but "only shaving five years of his sentence isn't enough motivation" doesn't work for me.

OK, so these killers were happy to go ahead and kill a woman, with no motive (according to the judge it couldn't have been for a few thousand rand in relation to a contract killing, therefore it couldn't have been a robbery either .. and it clearly wasn't a kidnapping for a ransom either, because they did not kidnap her .. and why would such so-called educated people be stupid enough to kill someone they were hoping to gain a substantial amount of ransom money from) and were happy to risk getting even nine years in jail, for no personal gain whatsoever, by all accounts?

 

[jay-jay]

The motive is all important here, as it is with most crimes. What was their motive? It couldn't possibly have been to rob her, and it wasn't to kidnap her either. So what was it, exactly, if not a contract killing?

 

[zwiebel]

Ayesha @CloraVannieKaap · 10 mins 10 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial An emotional Ami Denborg broke down and cried along with other family members as she read a statement.


Ayesha @CloraVannieKaap · 7 mins 7 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial CORRECTION Ami Denborg said Shrien Dewani had lived a double life which he did not reveal to Anni.


Ayesha @CloraVannieKaap · 3 mins 3 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Ami Denborg says today the family feels very very sad as they have not heard the full story from Shrien.


Ayesha @CloraVannieKaap · 2 mins 2 minutes ago

#DewaniTrial Ami Denborg says not knowing what really happened to Anni will haunt her and her family for the rest of their lives.

 

[jay-jay]

"Obvious" eh? Thus you must put down all the inconsistencies, lies, improbabilities that have just been listed amongst the prosecution witnesses as unlucky mistakes or due to memory loss? Are you being that generous to a far far smaller list of discrepancies in Dewani's account?

.. of course those witnesses are going to lie, they are killers, killers lie .. and so do people who take out contracts on people's lives, as they are killers themselves. I'm not looking at this case from the perspective of the testimonies given by them, I'm looking at it from a different direction.

 

[newone]

.. of course those witnesses are going to lie, they are killers, killers lie .. and so do people who take out contracts on people's lives, as they are killers themselves. I'm not looking at this case from the perspective of the testimonies given by them, I'm looking at it from a different direction.

I have wondered ((knowing what we know now about the pecking order of gangs in prisons)) each one of the witnesses didn't want to bust chops on the others.......could be dangerous for them.

So that could explain why stories ''didn't mesh'' --- and IF the testimonies appeared too consistent you can bet DT could have said such consistency would be suspicious too JMHO

 

[jslk]

And actually I think the Hindochas deserved to hear SD's account of the events, in his own words, and to have the inconsistencies in his statements accounted for. They lost their daughter in a violent, horrific way and have had to cope with a four year wait for this trial, because SD fled SA and forced an extradition process. I think SD testifying was the least the Hindochas deserved, even though it cannot bring their beautiful daughter back.

 

[newone]

What about the fact that the ride had been prearranged by SD's assistant??? kind of blows the randomness of Tongo being selected at the airport? that was another shortcoming of the PT team

 

[jay-jay]

That's exactly what I think they were doing!

But even if it was just a robbery, in the car at that point was R10,000 plus whatever the couple were wearing/carrying . That's very profitable for just a robbery, rather than a hit!

BBM .. but why would that be any different to that money being the contract killing money? .. and what else did they steal, that made it all so 'worthwhile'?

 

[newone]

And actually I think the Hindochas deserved to hear SD's account of the events, in his own words, and to have the inconsistencies in his statements accounted for. They lost their daughter in a violent, horrific way and have had to cope with a four year wait for this trial, because SD fled SA and forced an extradition process. I think SD testifying was the least the Hindochas deserved, even though it cannot bring their beautiful daughter back.

I agree but sadly I don't think that SD's ego could let that happen.

 

[jay-jay]

I agree but sadly I don't think that SD's ego could let that happen.

He is also very shrewd .. out of the two (him and Pistorius) he made the wise decision (from his point of view) .. Pistorius thought he could prove his innocence on the stand, only to many of us who followed the trial day in day out, it proved his 100% guilt.

 

[Alyce]

Words fail me really at the injustice of it all.

What a desperately sad day for the Hindochas and still no justice for Anni.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

:tyou: Thank you so, so much Zweibel and JJudi for the tweets and everyone for your comments.

It's a very sad day for the Hindochas, they deserved the trial to continue and a better PT.

Tongo could have just said it was a robbery, his sentence would be considerably lighter, he'd be out in a year or two, to me that over rides the use of his vehicle and supposed money he expected to earn. Why implicate SD?

SD couldn't take the stand because he would be guilty without reasonable doubt and the Judge would still find him not guilty, his Defence team secured it that it wouldn't happen.

In my eyes, this farce of a trial didn't prove SD is not guilty.

JMO

 

[jay-jay]

It just seems to me that the reason why this murder of a non-South African citizen should happen in South Africa and not the original place of citizenship (i.e. Britain) is purely because the perp knew that the justice system in SA is so poor, and that there is so much crime there (with 8 women a DAY) being killed by a partner, that it would be lost amongst all the others as opposed to if the same thing had been committed in this country, because they know they would not have got away with it here in the UK. Having the honeymoon in SA was all pre-planned, imo .. SA was specifically chosen for a reason.