Found Deceased Spain - Julen Rosello, 2, fell into narrow and deep borehole, Totalán, 13 Jan 2019

[Yellow Rose]

Yes, I posted a long article about it this week.

Their 3 year old son Oliver had a heart problem and died in May 2017. Dropped dead while they were walking on the beach. Mom was still struggling to accept that. (Ex: Don't water the flowers at his grave, you will drown him.)

Then they decided Julen still needed a sibling. They got pregnant but lost that baby late in the pregnancy. I'm unclear on the details but the baby wasn't going to survive after birth.

Julen was their only remaining baby.

That’s enough to not want to breathe again. They are obviously hanging on by a thread at this point. And I don’t even know how ... they’d likely have had to lock me up by now

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Parents are being prepared for the worst and they don’t want them near the site at this point.

I'm so relieved to hear this.

 

[Jackielee09]

If that's true then I can't even... but for now I'll take the engineer's words with a grain of salt - he's not there so he may not know all the details of what the rescuers are doing/facing.

In any case news like that won't help Julen's parents right now so I'll just focus on finding the little guy.

No that engineer should keep quiet. If you’re not helping then zip it. Monday morning quarterbacking. Blah

 

[Ari]

They are a few centimeters from Julen.

AUGC Guardia Civil‏Verified account @AUGC_Comunica 25m25 minutes ago

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

GHoeberX‏ @ghoeberx 10m10 minutes ago
UPDATE #Totalan:
The latest reliable information about the miners progress, is still the information from the press conference at 20:30h. The 4th detonation of micro-explosives happened before 21:00, and since 21:23 the miners have been below surface trying to get to #Julen.

GHoeberX‏ @ghoeberx 6m6 minutes ago
Stories about a recent 5th detonation of micro-explosives are definitely not true. That is impossible, because with each blast the capsule has to be up and the pipe has to be vented for about 20 - 30 minutes. This has not happened since 21:23. #Totalan #Julen

*I'll just leave this here along with the above tweets!*

Sending Julen's loved ones all the love, light and strength I can muster!

 

[Elainera]

@ghoeberx
Stories about a recent 5th detonation of micro-explosives are definitely not true. That is impossible, because with each blast the capsule has to be up and the pipe has to be vented for about 20 - 30 minutes. This has not happened since 21:23. #Totalan #Julen

 

[Mom24]

You mean different equipment could help?

I would think if they could use the drill they used to drill down, then yes. But it's not possible to use that. It would be even more dangerous than these microblasts, and there's no way to bend it, so they'd have to dig a platform 70 meters deep and wide enough to keep debris from falling back on them and then drill sideways.

 

[Violet77]

GHoeberX‏ @ghoeberx 10m10 minutes ago
UPDATE #Totalan:
The latest reliable information about the miners progress, is still the information from the press conference at 20:30h. The 4th detonation of micro-explosives happened before 21:00, and since 21:23 the miners have been below surface trying to get to #Julen.

GHoeberX‏ @ghoeberx 6m6 minutes ago
Stories about a recent 5th detonation of micro-explosives are definitely not true. That is impossible, because with each blast the capsule has to be up and the pipe has to be vented for about 20 - 30 minutes. This has not happened since 21:23. #Totalan #Julen

*I'll just leave this here along with the above tweets!*

Sending Julen's loved ones all the love, light and strength I can muster!

@ghoeberx
Stories about a recent 5th detonation of micro-explosives are definitely not true. That is impossible, because with each blast the capsule has to be up and the pipe has to be vented for about 20 - 30 minutes. This has not happened since 21:23. #Totalan #Julen

Great news!
I’m so worried (as I’m sure everyone is) the plug will fall below the area they have dug across & this will cause further major delays.

 

[Miigo]

I wondered if the miners would be able to detect the scent of he had died being so close now. Maybe not through all the smells the explosives are creating.

But surely the dogs would have a better nose? At least that way the miners would know if it was a rescue or recovery and proceed accordingly. The only thing giving me hope the little guy is still alive is how cautious the workers are being to avoid injuring him, risking their own lives to save him. Would they do that if they knew this was a recovery?

 

[EspressoBean]

Great news!
I’m so worried (as I’m sure everyone is) the plug will fall below the area they have dug across & this will cause further major delays.

I think this is saying that it has not yet happened- not that it isn’t going to happen. Reports do seem to confirm that a 5th is needed.

 

[Violet77]

But surely the dogs would have a better nose? At least that way the miners would know if it was a rescue or recovery and proceed accordingly. The only thing giving me hope the little guy is still alive is how cautious the workers are being to avoid injuring him, risking their own lives to save him. Would they do that if they knew this was a recovery?

Oh yes, no doubt the dogs would have a far better chance of detecting a scent, what I meant was while down there working they may have detected a horrible smell.
Maybe the terrain is too unstable to take dogs down, even though they’re well trained. Or it could just be that they don’t see it as a good use of the time they have.

 

[Ari]

But surely the dogs would have a better nose? At least that way the miners would know if it was a rescue or recovery and proceed accordingly. The only thing giving me hope the little guy is still alive is how cautious the workers are being to avoid injuring him, risking their own lives to save him. Would they do that if they knew this was a recovery?

Yes, they would recover Julen if they knew he passed.

 

[MsFacetious]

00:40

This gallery already reaches 3.35 meters. During the afternoon of this Friday the conditions of the soil that the rescuers have found have been quite favorable. But due to a new vein the fourth microvoladura had to be performed in the operation, which, given the proximity to the place where Julenwould be , has been of "extreme precision", which is why three surveyors have also been incorporated, to direct exactly the final stretch of the tunnel.

Julen | Fase final del rescate del pequeño en Totalán, en directo

But surely the dogs would have a better nose? At least that way the miners would know if it was a rescue or recovery and proceed accordingly. The only thing giving me hope the little guy is still alive is how cautious the workers are being to avoid injuring him, risking their own lives to save him. Would they do that if they knew this was a recovery?

Yes, they would. They would never leave that baby down there. They don't want to damage his body either... dead or alive.

 

[Elainera]

They are a few centimeters from Julen.

AUGC Guardia Civil‏Verified account @AUGC_Comunica 25m25 minutes ago

Wow. Praying they get through now. Thinking of the parents. Have they slept at all in the last 13 days?

 

[SugarQueen]

Little Casey says he spent his time in the woods with a bear protecting him. I just want Julen to have a bear.

 

[Ari]

Little Casey says he spent his time in the woods with a bear protecting him. I just want Julen to have a bear.

I've been hoping and praying that Julen's guardian angel has been protecting him.

 

[MsFacetious]

I've been hoping and praying that Julen's guardian angel has been protecting him.

Maybe his big brother. So many of the drawings depict that scenario.

 

[Miigo]

This may sound totally stupid, but speaking of bears, they hibernate! I wonder if there’s any possibility little julens body could be doing something similar?

 

[Hatfield]

I would think if they could use the drill they used to drill down, then yes. But it's not possible to use that. It would be even more dangerous than these microblasts, and there's no way to bend it, so they'd have to dig a platform 70 meters deep and wide enough to keep debris from falling back on them and then drill sideways.

As described before the drilling truck rig they used to go down typically uses long 30 foot sections of drill pipe each connected one at a time to make up a long drill column with a large specialized drill bit on the end. It can basically drill through any type of rock, and the reason it can make good progress is each section of drill pipe is very heavy so each time they connect another 30 foot length of drill pipe onto the long drill pipe column , then you have all that extra weight bearing down on the drill bit at the bottom which helps the drilling speed.

Depending on the diameter and length of the drill pipe they used, the weight can vary but assuming they used 30 feet sections of drill pipe, and using the linked chart below, lets say they only used a small diameter drill pipe of 4 inch diameter , that chart shows that the pipe is going to weigh 14 pounds per 1 feet of pipe. So a single 30 foot section of drill pipe would weigh:
30 feet X 14 pounds/ft = 420 pounds for each single length of pipe.

So as they went down, they had to attach multiple sections of pipe that screw into each other (with collars on each end). So even at 180 feet down while they were drilling, that is 6 sections of 30 foot long pipe , so the weight of the drill pipe column at 180 feet down =
6 X 420 pounds = 2,520 pounds

So they had the advantage of 2,520 pounds of weight bearing down on the drill bit at 180 feet down. And it gets heavier the further they go.

Going sideways with nothing more than jackhammers, hand tools, pneumatic drills, dynamite, etc. is a whole different story.

Below shows what the different types of drill bits look like that they would have had on the end of the drill pipe column.

Water Well Rotary Drill Bits

Below link shows some drill pipe specifications for an example.

OCTG - Drill Pipe | Mid-Continent

 

[bearbear]

But surely the dogs would have a better nose? At least that way the miners would know if it was a rescue or recovery and proceed accordingly. The only thing giving me hope the little guy is still alive is how cautious the workers are being to avoid injuring him, risking their own lives to save him. Would they do that if they knew this was a recovery?

maybe they still have to be careful to not damage his body because of any forensic autopsy investigation etc and also out of respect to him and his parents?