'Splain' this 1 for me please....About Bedwetters:

  • #121
Personally, I think Patsy was LAZY and didn't care much about Jon Benet's hygiene or comfort.
I noticed that a LOT of the commentators on Catherine Crier and a caller to Nancy Grace have commented on how Melinda Duckett put Trenton to bed in the shorts he wore that day instead of putting him to bed in pajamas.

The concensus seems to be that it is significant tbat his mother wasn't more caring in the way she supposedly put him to bed.

Yet, JonBenet, who had a bedwetting problem was put to bed without being taken to the potty. She was wearing the same clothes she had worn to a party earlier and decked out in the same party jewelry. Except for the huge, oversized bloomies that had to have been stuffed into the tight leggings.

Those shorts Trenton supposedly was put to bed in, that a lot of people have been saying was a suspicious way to dress a child, sound a whole lot more comfortable than the way Patsy had JonBenet dressed.

And Patsy didn't clean JonBenet before putting her to bed either.

Patsy was a grownup not some 21 year old. But, IF we are to believe what she said in the interviews (although JonBenet WAS wearing pajamas in her Christmas morning picture), she put her child to bed dirty, wearing jewelry, the same clothes she had worn that day and replaced her daughter's pants and underwear with HUGE, BAGGY bloomies that had to be stuffed into tight leggings.

And she didn't use pull-ups because she thought that letting JonBenet get wet would be good training. Although she didn't take JonBenet to the potty before tucking her in. Or get up later to do so.

Either, Patsy WAS a trashy, slobby mom.(IMO) Or that night did not go down the way Patsy said it did.

And JonBenet, like Patsy, was pretty much wearing the same clothes (except for the bloomies and leggings) and jewelry she wore at the Whites because of things that happened.
 
  • #122
I don't believe JonBenet was wearing those size 12 bloomies while she was alive, or even conscious. I doubt she would have been in the least bit comfortable, and it would have been obvious through her velvet pants that she was wearing bloomies that did not fit her right. I think she was wearing the smaller size and the redresser decided to put those bigger ones on her. I'm just not sure why.

As for Melinda Duckett, my personal opinion is - the very least she could have done before she killed herself was leave a note telling people where to find Trenton.
 
  • #123
Nuisanceposter said:
I don't believe JonBenet was wearing those size 12 bloomies while she was alive, or even conscious. I doubt she would have been in the least bit comfortable, and it would have been obvious through her velvet pants that she was wearing bloomies that did not fit her right. I think she was wearing the smaller size and the redresser decided to put those bigger ones on her. I'm just not sure why.

To quote SuperDave, the simplest answer is the most probable answer...(or words to that effect... Nuanceposter, I think you have hit the nail on the head! The size 12 bloomies are explained as the Barbie nightgown can be explained. The person who redressed JBR grabbed both to redress her. For whatever reason the nightgown was not used but the size 12's were. I, personally, think the size 12's were an accident and not realized until the redressing took place in the cellar. I wonder why the nightgown was not used and was left in the cellar as well.... Why leave the nightgown and take the size 6 bloomies? Where are the size 6 bloomies?

As for Melinda Duckett, my personal opinion is - the very least she could have done before she killed herself was leave a note telling people where to find Trenton.
I totally agree! If Melinda killed Trenton, and I'm afraid that she did, I think that she was in a classic 'suicidal mode'. A suicide is the single most narcissistic act that a person can exicute, IMO. A narcissist can't burst the "me, my, I sickness bubble" long enough to think of ANYONE outside of their own bubble. Scott Peterson immediately comes to mind... His of course was not a suicide bubble, but he sure didn't consider Conner or Laci or his family or her family or anyone who would be negatively effected by his actions.
 
  • #124
I don't believe JonBenet was wearing those size 12 bloomies while she was alive, or even conscious.
Personally, I don't think she was either. I have wondered if the bloomies were put on JonBenet because they were down in the basement to be wrapped as a present for the cousin.

Maybe there were put on JonBenet because they were conveniently available.

BUT, to believe that Patsy had no part in any cover-up, you have to believe her story of putting her child to bed dirty and in most of the same clothes she had worn the same night.
 
  • #125
Jolynna said:
I noticed that a LOT of the commentators on Catherine Crier and a caller to Nancy Grace have commented on how Melinda Duckett put Trenton to bed in the shorts he wore that day instead of putting him to bed in pajamas.

The concensus seems to be that it is significant tbat his mother wasn't more caring in the way she supposedly put him to bed.

Yet, JonBenet, who had a bedwetting problem was put to bed without being taken to the potty. She was wearing the same clothes she had worn to a party earlier and decked out in the same party jewelry. Except for the huge, oversized bloomies that had to have been stuffed into the tight leggings.

Those shorts Trenton supposedly was put to bed in, that a lot of people have been saying was a suspicious way to dress a child, sound a whole lot more comfortable than the way Patsy had JonBenet dressed.

And Patsy didn't clean JonBenet before putting her to bed either.

Patsy was a grownup not some 21 year old. But, IF we are to believe what she said in the interviews (although JonBenet WAS wearing pajamas in her Christmas morning picture), she put her child to bed dirty, wearing jewelry, the same clothes she had worn that day and replaced her daughter's pants and underwear with HUGE, BAGGY bloomies that had to be stuffed into tight leggings.

And she didn't use pull-ups because she thought that letting JonBenet get wet would be good training. Although she didn't take JonBenet to the potty before tucking her in. Or get up later to do so.

Either, Patsy WAS a trashy, slobby mom.(IMO) Or that night did not go down the way Patsy said it did.

And JonBenet, like Patsy, was pretty much wearing the same clothes (except for the bloomies and leggings) and jewelry she wore at the Whites because of things that happened.
And by PR's own admission, neither of them had a bath either!
 
  • #126
No, julianne. This time the fault is mine. I take things too damned seriously sometimes.

I should apologize to you.
 
  • #127
Jolynna said:
Personally, I don't think she was either. I have wondered if the bloomies were put on JonBenet because they were down in the basement to be wrapped as a present for the cousin.

Maybe there were put on JonBenet because they were conveniently available.

BUT, to believe that Patsy had no part in any cover-up, you have to believe her story of putting her child to bed dirty and in most of the same clothes she had worn the same night.
I've tossed my son into bed very rarely with the clothes he wore all day, but I have done it.
BUT I can count, one one hand, the number of times he has not been bathed daily! Who goes to a party without bathing?
 
  • #128
angelwngs said:
(Please excuse the rambling nature of this post... The Questions running through my head are totally confusing me. Please help me correct any mistakes in events I may have incorrect.)

Patsy's repeated comments that JBR was "zonked out" just keep ringing in my ears. It seems as if they were a slip of the tongue, admitting partial truths or words repeated and so "over emphasized" that they seem as if they were a 'sub-conscious' justification for why the "accident happened" from the "guilty" feelings running through her head...???...:waitasec: Maybe they were, in part, said to prevent other related questions from ever being asked by investigators.

If a child who frequently wets the bed is asleep before being put to bed, what parent carries a sleeping child inside the house asleep, following an evening out, changes them into bed clothes and does NOT carry them to the potty before putting them in the bed and/or puts on pull-ups?????:waitasec: If JBR wasn't asleep when she returned home, surely one of the R's made sure she "went" before JBR was changed for bed, but I remember NO MENTION of 'potty time'. Do any of you?

(We don't know whether BR's 1st account of JBR helping to carry 'things' inside when they returned home or whether JR and PR's accounts of JBR being asleep when they got home is correct. It really doesn't matter, either way, any parent would take their child to the potty before putting them to bed.(Especially with a history of bedwetting and no time to deal w/wet bedding and wet night clothes w/ an early morning trip planned.) At worst, if the parent was really lazy and didn't take her to potty she would most likely STILL put pull-ups on them before putting them to bed if she went to the trouble to change her into night clothes! But there were no pull-ups on her in the accounts of PR putting her to bed! PR never admitted putting pull-ups on JBR when she changed her for bed nor that she took her to the bathroom. Correct??? No pull-ups were found on her body, but it was evident that the bag of pull-ups had been altered and had been used recently. Maybe she had the pull-ups ready to put on JBR but never got the chance to put them on her...)

Has anyone ever read anything in recounts of that evening in which LE ASKED PR or JR if they took JBR to the potty before putting her into bed?

PR admitted to the usual schedule including waking JBR to potty around 12AM. Correct? Were there no questions by investigators about no pull-ups, no potty trip before changing her for bed?? I haven't found anything in transcripts along this line of questioning... Have any of you???

Could PR have been too rough or too careless undressing/redressing an already sleepy JBR, at the potty before she put her to bed, and she accidently caused the (accidental) blow to the head near the potty or bathtub?

Could the lie about JBR being "zonked out" have been fabricated to set up an answer to the inevitable question by LE of "Why didn't you take JBR to the potty before putting her to bed?" :waitasec: Maybe she did...and a tired, sleepy, ill JBR was difficult and that is where the accident happened. That would explain the need to say JBR was "Zonked Out".

In any event, I think PR's repeated words that JBR was "Zonked Out" are very telling. At one point at least, during the evening's events, JBR would indeed have been described as "Zonked Out". Those two words, IMO, tell more than PR ever wanted anyone to realize.
that's a great question, unless they knew she would wet the bed anyway, regardless and didn't care.
 
  • #129
Patsy had removed JBR's velvet pants and the panties she had worn earlier and replaced them with those baggy bloomies and the leggings. Wouldn't it have been easier to pull of her top as well and put JBR in a nightie with pull-ups? Patsy had taken the pants off anyway and changed her into clothes that could not have been comfortable. Especially for a bedwetter. And she even left the jewelry on.

The excuse that she didn't put on the pull-ups because she was letting JonBenet purposely get wet to better potty train her doesn't cut it.

According to Patsy, JonBenet was zonked. How fair is it to punish a child by letting her sleep in wet clothes and blankets when she was too ZONKED to take to the potty or to be dressed in pjs before bed?
 
  • #130
I've tossed my son into bed very rarely with the clothes he wore all day, but I have done it.
BUT I can count, one one hand, the number of times he has not been bathed daily! Who goes to a party without bathing?
I do not know of any parent that would take their child to a party without a bath. Or at the very least, washing hands, knees, face and all visible skin.

Maybe you have tossed your son in bed in the clothes he wore that day. BUT, I bet if your son were a bedwetter, you would AT LEAST take him to the potty first and probably get up to check on him during the night to make sure he wasn't wet, if you didn't use pull-ups.
 
  • #131
Jolynna said:
Patsy had removed JBR's velvet pants and the panties she had worn earlier and replaced them with those baggy bloomies and the leggings. Wouldn't it have been easier to pull of her top as well and put JBR in a nightie with pull-ups? Patsy had taken the pants off anyway and changed her into clothes that could not have been comfortable. Especially for a bedwetter. And she even left the jewelry on.

The excuse that she didn't put on the pull-ups because she was letting JonBenet purposely get wet to better potty train her doesn't cut it.

According to Patsy, JonBenet was zonked. How fair is it to punish a child by letting her sleep in wet clothes and blankets when she was too ZONKED to take to the potty or to be dressed in pjs before bed?

Jolynna,

Patsy had removed JBR's velvet pants and the panties she had worn earlier and replaced them with those baggy bloomies and the leggings.

Patsy never stated she removed JonBenet's underwear when she removed the black velvet pants, she cannot remember seeing JonBenet's underwear and forgot which color it was!

One interesting question is, did JonBenet normally wear underwear to bed?

Its probable that JonBenet was redressed upstairs, possibly in her bedroom or another upstairs room, e.g. JAR's room, this would make the size-12's close to hand.

Speculating wrt size-12's its possible that a prior staged scenario relied upon JonBenet wearing the size-12's, that is the size-12's were indicitive of some behaviour by JonBenet, which was factored in as part of the initial staging?





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  • #132
Jolynna said:
I do not know of any parent that would take their child to a party without a bath. Or at the very least, washing hands, knees, face and all visible skin.

Maybe you have tossed your son in bed in the clothes he wore that day. BUT, I bet if your son were a bedwetter, you would AT LEAST take him to the potty first and probably get up to check on him during the night to make sure he wasn't wet, if you didn't use pull-ups.
When my son was younger he WAS a bedwetter. I never made an issue of it. I refused to limit his fluid intake and I never woke him up in the middle of the night. He'd put on a pull up and if he did pee and it leaked onto his sheet he would come get me & he would take the wet stuff off and throw it into the laundry room. I would change the sheets, toss him into the shower ( I have a hand held shower) he would lather up with soap and I'd hose him off and re-tuck him into a fresh bed.

It was never a big deal to me but it became one for him. So I took him to the doctors and he wrote us a prescription for a nose spray that was supposed to work but didn't. Within the following 6-8 months he outgrew it.
 
  • #133
I was in the drugstore recently and I justhappened to notice that were pills on sale to control bedwetting---To you mothers out there who've had bedwetters,have any of you ever tried pills? or is this something new that just came out?
 
  • #134
Peter Hamilton said:
I was in the drugstore recently and I justhappened to notice that were pills on sale to control bedwetting---To you mothers out there who've had bedwetters,have any of you ever tried pills? or is this something new that just came out?
No they are not new. We used them for our bedwetter. they actually work pretty well, but not for everyone.
 
  • #135
Wish I'd had those.

I'm not even humiliated to admit it anymore. At one time, I was. But my parents treated it as nothing, because it was nothing.
 

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