***SPOILER ALERT*** Imperfect Justice by Jeff Ashton - CONTENT DISCUSSION

[Velouria]

We did see it. It was during the trial. Cheney Mason told LDB to stay at the podium and work some sort of contraption. LDB quipped back, "I don't work for you." The look she gave Cheney Mason was classic and if I remember correctly, he shut up quick! It was a nice slap in the face to DCS and the younger little assistant girl who were so busy being Cheney and Jose's "do-girls."

Thank you Lola! How could I have possibly forgotten one of the highlights of the trial! Anytime CM gets his hat handed to him I can't help but :woohoo:

 

[Nore]

I can see that happening to a man who harkens back to the golden days of his youth - back before women could vote. :innocent:

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Hi Velouria, this is in reference to Cheneys remarks about women being "beneath him", (my words) In the golden days of his youth women could vote :great: I know because he is a year or so younger than me! :floorlaugh:
dont feel bad, my son once asked me if I ever rode in a covered wagon :woohoo: he was 5 at the time. :seeya:

 

[RR0004]

Does he talk about seeing Caylee's skeleton?

 

[krkrjx]

Anyone else here on the Amazon pre-order list since September who has not received their book yet? I just got a notice that mine was "mis-shipped" and "mis-routed."

In all my orders from Amazon over the years this is the first time I have had this happen, and it makes me suspicious...like maybe they think I will buy Kindle if they mess up my book order.

 

[atthelake]

Left you a message over in sidebar but you are here already. Start at the beginning of the thread, and check out Current News for the videos and interviews - a wealth of stuff to learn about what went on - you will love it.

No sidebar transcripts have been released, but Jeff gives us a pretty good idea of all that went on, including a shocker of an attempted plea agreement none of us even suspected!!!

LG, didn't we have two sidebars transcripts during the trial - and they were sooooooooooo very insightful at that time. I only recall two of them

 

[Velouria]

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Hi Velouria, this is in reference to Cheneys remarks about women being "beneath him", (my words) In the golden days of his youth women could vote :great: I know because he is a year or so younger than me! :floorlaugh:
dont feel bad, my son once asked me if I ever rode in a covered wagon :woohoo: he was 5 at the time. :seeya:

Nore, thanks for being such a good sport about my snark. :highfive:

I do know CM isn't old enough to have lived through the suffrage movement, but some folks just behave as though we're still in the Dark Ages. An old mindset, if you will.

I've long been offended by his blatant chauvinism - the nasty comments about Kathy Belich being a prime example. And I can't imagine being a female assigned to work with that,that, interesting person. :snooty:

 

[Melanie]

Anyone else here on the Amazon pre-order list since September who has not received their book yet? I just got a notice that mine was "mis-shipped" and "mis-routed."

In all my orders from Amazon over the years this is the first time I have had this happen, and it makes me suspicious...like maybe they think I will buy Kindle if they mess up my book order.

I downloaded my audio book Silly me, I shouldn't have picked this book as my very first audio book - grrrrrr.

I am bored witless. I can't listen to Ashton's monotone voice that he was no doubt forced to use. No emotion whatsoever...ugh! I can't follow more than a sentence before my mind wanders off (maybe I have ADD).

I love Jeff Ashton -- but whomever told him to narate this book should be shot. LOL

Gotta go get the book and read it myself

Mel

 

[Nore]

I got teary eyed when I read this. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you said to Jeff. I know everyone here, including me, wishes they could do the same and give him a hug, too. I'm sure he needed to hear it, too. I'm so glad you got the chance to meet him!

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Aedrys, I choked up too. This is really for anyone who sees Ashton in person. Please let him know over and over how much his work and LDB's was appreciated..They spoke for Caylee. I will never forget them and their efforts. They are right up there with now Judge Rick Distaso..I will never forget what he did for Laci and Conner. P.S. He made it back from Afghanistan safe..God Bless them. :seeya:

 

[atthelake]

I downloaded my audio book Silly me, I shouldn't have picked this book as my very first audio book - grrrrrr.

I am bored witless. I can't listen to Ashton's monotone voice that he was no doubt forced to use. No emotion whatsoever...ugh! I can't follow more than a sentence before my mind wanders off (maybe I have ADD).

I love Jeff Ashton -- but whomever told him to narate this book should be shot. LOL

Gotta go get the book and read it myself

Mel

Oh dear! That's too bad -but I do hope that you did it at the freebie one that is one this thread. Perhaps he's good at one thing in court 99%, and this is his first narration - I can't fathom folks listening to me reading as I would also be "monotone" . But..........perhaps he has intonations that would be of interest? Glad you got the book - perhaps for free!

 

[Melanie]

Oh dear! That's too bad -but I do hope that you did it at the freebie one that is one this thread. Perhaps he's good at one thing in court 99%, and this is his first narration - I can't fathom folks listening to me reading as I would also be "monotone" . But..........perhaps he has intonations that would be of interest? Glad you got the book - perhaps for free!

Yes, for free I can't really fault Jeff, just his handlers.

:seeya:

 

[logicalgirl]

LG, didn't we have two sidebars transcripts during the trial - and they were sooooooooooo very insightful at that time. I only recall two of them

I don't remember reading sidebars :seeya: but pay no attention to that - we could have if you remember it!:crazy:

 

[Nore]

Nore, thanks for being such a good sport about my snark. :highfive:

I do know CM isn't old enough to have lived through the suffrage movement, but some folks just behave as though we're still in the Dark Ages. An old mindset, if you will.

I've long been offended by his blatant chauvinism - the nasty comments about Kathy Belich being a prime example. And I can't imagine being a female assigned to work with that,that, interesting person. :snooty:

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Velouria, oh your fine. Is Cheney still alive? I havent seen anything about his trip to the hospital. Thanks.:seeya:

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

I don't remember reading sidebars :seeya: but pay no attention to that - we could have if you remember it!:crazy:

No, we did, but I cannot recall if those were from the trial or the Fry hearings - we got two of them - I believe it was Pipetone who rounded them up, but don't bet the farm on that.

 

[logicalgirl]

No, we did, but I cannot recall if those were from the trial or the Fry hearings - we got two of them - I believe it was Pipetone who rounded them up, but don't bet the farm on that.

Now it's coming back to me - I think you are right - I think it was the Frye hearings...I don't think the sidebars from the actual trial were available until after the trial finished but...:waitasec:

 

[Ransom]

LG, didn't we have two sidebars transcripts during the trial - and they were sooooooooooo very insightful at that time. I only recall two of them

Yes. TRIAL (caps)
1) http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20071057-504083.html
"I will take it that I cannot trust one thing your side says anymore," Perry told Mason in the sidebar, reports the station.

2) http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/casey-anthony-trial-sidebar-chat-shows-baez-worried-1527867.html
A transcript from the Casey Anthony trial shows defense attorney Jose Baez at a sidebar conference expressing concerns that photos prosecutors wanted to introduce as evidence would make his client appear to be "a lesbian" in jurors' eyes.

3) http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...idebar-transc20110615_1_bones-jose-baez-kronk
A newly obtained transcript of a sidebar conference from last week shows why Chief Judge Belvin Perry allowed jurors in the Casey Anthony trial to hear gruesome details about animals chewing on her daughter Caylee's bones.

Please NOTE (caps) the date.

 

[logicalgirl]

Yes. TRIAL (caps)
1) http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20071057-504083.html
"I will take it that I cannot trust one thing your side says anymore," Perry told Mason in the sidebar, reports the station.

2) http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/casey-anthony-trial-sidebar-chat-shows-baez-worried-1527867.html
A transcript from the Casey Anthony trial shows defense attorney Jose Baez at a sidebar conference expressing concerns that photos prosecutors wanted to introduce as evidence would make his client appear to be "a lesbian" in jurors' eyes.

Wow - thank you Ransom - I have no memory of those two at all..I mean I clearly remember the issues, but not reading the actual sidebar html's...maybe because those two issues weren't of huge importance at the time...cause did Perry trust the DT at any time and yes, the pics did have a lesbian look to them, sorta kind of - if a person was really naive...

 

[impatientredhead]

Ashton.." In the wake of the verdict, a frequent criticism has been that the state attorny should not have made this a capital case. Of course the obvious problem with this logic is that they jury would have been fully within its right to reject first-degree murder in favor of a lesser murder conviction that did not carry the death penalty. This verdict, however, was not the work of a jury that was concerned about the punishment;instead, this decision was the work of a jury who didn't believe she deserved to be punished at all. "

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Making it a death penalty case has more impact on the trial than just whether the jury would consider it or not. It is interwoven in to every pretrial decision, every decision about evidence and whether it would be allowed, and it was an automatic filter that removed any prospective juror that would not consider the death penalty as an option. Capital cases have different standards and endless appeal issues.

Not saying it would have changed anything but it is huge factor. Definitely not offset by the fact that the jury could go for a lesser charge.

 

[Ransom]

Making it a death penalty case has more impact on the trial than just whether the jury would consider it or not. It is interwoven in to every pretrial decision, every decision about evidence and whether it would be allowed, and it was an automatic filter that removed any prospective juror that would not consider the death penalty as an option. Capital cases have different standards and endless appeal issues.

Not saying it would have changed anything but it is huge factor. Definitely not offset by the fact that the jury could go for a lesser charge.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/

READ (caps) the jury charge of all the offense(s). No excuse. IMO and rather simple to find her guilty of "lesser charges". jmo

 

[bayouland]

I don't remember reading sidebars :seeya: but pay no attention to that - we could have if you remember it!:crazy:

I seem to remember at least one. I think Kathy Belich went and got it. I think at one point some of us were frustrated because sidebar info was available to the press but they wouldn't pay to get it.

If I am remembering wrong, I am sorry.

 

[bayouland]

I am sorry Ransom. I didn't see your post.