State rests rebuttal case- thread #166

[Celeskitty]

This trial has been increasingly sad, unexpectedly entertaining, scandalous, tragic, funny, boring, and has envoked, in me, anger, hate, compassion, laughter, anxiety, frustration and left me broken hearted for the Alexander family.

I watched the interview of Jodi's mom tonight. I found her to be real person full of genuine anguish and devastation. I'm curious to know how some of you would answer this question:

If you were the mother, did your daughter get a fair trial?

I feel nothing for this woman. Like Dr. Drew and others have said, if she and her husband knew JA had problems at a young age they should have gotten her help and they didn't.

Also, its been reported that she was the one trying to sell the fake letters to the National Enquirer.

Has she gotten a fair trial? I would say so, considering in some countries they probably would have stoned her to death.

 

[Nali87]

I just read in the legal thread that the judge is allowing lesser charges to be included. :facepalm: Just focus on driving home premedidation in closing Juan!!

 

[GoAskAllie]

Kinda trippy.. I really believe everything was brewing... the pedo connections, the money from PPL, the sinful sex.

Maybe Jodi used Travis' email account to email Joshua and accused Travis of something? I bet thats who she got the pedo pamphlets for. Again, a speck of truth in her stories.

Please read the recent posts by Bernina. The pedo pamphlet is a figment of Jodi's imagination.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't care about being wrong, but I don't think I am. Actually, I'm really, really confident that I'm not wrong about this. But we shall see if she's convicted and the motions come rolling in. Having the prosecutor threaten a material witness with criminal charges is a big constitutional deal.

Didn't sound like a threat to me, more like a promise


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[ElleElle]

ITA with your post and yes, I have the "trial handles". At least I don't drink or smoke anymore. lol.

:rocker: Great post!

I really, really think Jodi had the gun pointed at her first. Hence, the lunge from Travis maybe? Then she goes psycho on him?

I'm just catching up after taking a few days off and dealing with "real life" stuff, but I have a few points or questions....

1. Someone posted earlier in this thread that maybe JA surprised Travis while he was in the shower, she was holding the gun or knife and threatening to kill herself. I think that's very plausible, especially after hearing Sky Hughes tonight on DD, saying that Travis felt he couldn't break things off for good with JA because she would kill herself.

2. I know there's a dispute over whether or not she shot or stabbed him first, but I don't understand WHY it matters. There's so much evidence prior to her visit that points to premeditation. Again, I know this has been hashed out a thousand times already, but I'm just confused. (For what it's worth, the shell casing found on TOP of the blood is what leads me to believe she attacked with the knife first).

3. Does anyone else here "stress eat?" I sure as heck do. I'm going to gain 20 pounds before the verdict is read. I got groceries today....I had so much junk food and wine in my cart that the cashier asked me if I was stocking up for the impending bad weather (it's been 85 degrees and sunny the last few days, and they're calling for snow by the end of the week. Gotta love the Midwest.).

 

[wasnt_me]

If Juan actually said, if you testify at trial I'll hit you with perjury before your feet hit the ground, or any semblance of that, that's a serious constitutional grounds for appeal, putting aside all of the other issues pertaining to those letters.

eta: I missed the part about how you don't think I know what I'm talking about. Yes, please do put it in the attorneys' thread. I don't need to.

I agree with your premise, but I do not personally believe that JM would make that mistake. I don't know how the conversation went, but I'm thinking if JM told MM that he knew MM had said he'd lie for Jodi, JM knew about the coded messages in the magazine, and the letters have been deemed forgeries, so if MM gets on the stand and lies, he'll hit him with perjury before his feet hits the ground.

That's how I'm thinking it went, but that's just my opinion.

 

[TXProfessional]

Has she gotten a fair trial? I would say so, considering in some countries they probably would have stoned her to death.

respectfully snipped.

This made me bust out laughing. :floorlaugh:

 

[MeeBee]

MeeBee, please do not take this in the wrong way but I am confused about your post. I bolded what I thought was your point which to me would be obvious since she admitted to it. Just wanted to clarify. TIA

Well, like I said, he was reluctant to believe Jodi killed Travis and while he was under subpoena waiting to testify he didn't know her new defense was that she killed Travis in self defense. He thought she was still saying the intruders did it and he believed her. Now, he realizes she did it, yes because she admitted it, but also seems to not believe it was not done in self defense because her stories about Travis are untrue.

 

[MidwestMama]

I haven't read the previous comments, so maybe I am surely not understanding the bolded above. As in, what significance does that have with Travis' savage murder?

From what I understand the house was not foreclosed on. It was sold through normal means. TA paid (IIRC) 250 thousand and the new owners got it for 209 thousand.
This is my impression from the interview with the new homeowners (and adjoining article which includes comments from their realtor) that someone posted earlier today.

ETA: and I agree that it would make no difference anyway. The trial is not about what happened to his home after his death, it is about a horrible murder.

 

[ElleElle]

BBM~ Exactly! She had him fooled too didn't she? He was visiting her jail and he has no idea she could kill Travis. Now, I don't think so much.

IMO as close as ja was to the Freeman's, no doubt in my mind she knew about J Freeman, he has been struggling for a yr or so prior to his death. She would have been in Mesa during that time and according to Dan, she was like a sister.

 

[wasnt_me]

I have no doubt the JA is capable of all that but my sense is that whatever she did, it was personal to Travis. He was deeply hurt by whatever she did and it was bad enough that he didn't talk about it, even to his best friend, and nothing was written about it between them. It could have been her threatening to expose their sex tape, or she could have told him he would tell everyone he was a pedeophile, or it may have had something to do with a pregnancy (lie I am sure). Whatever it was, it was personal to Travis or he would have been more forthcoming in their messages to each other about what she did. He seemed to not even want to put whatever it was down in words for fear it would be found out.
Another thing that confuses me is that weren't there two different arguments, one in which he threatened to tell everyone about her and the other on May 26 where he said the other stuff?

It seems to me that Travis was saying in the text message that he'd sent her some sort of correspondence in response to her "dire conversation," but she hadn't gotten off her butt to bother reading it.

I don't know why he terms it "dire conversation," but it sounds like he'd sent her something, maybe an email, telling her exactly what it was and how he felt about it. Since she hadn't bothered to read the message (which I think she did and lied to him that she didn't), he just wanted to tell her off and just be done with it.

 

[MidwestMama]

I don't care about being wrong, but I don't think I am. Actually, I'm really, really confident that I'm not wrong about this. But we shall see if she's convicted and the motions come rolling in. Having the prosecutor threaten a material witness with criminal charges is a big constitutional deal.

A prosecutor has every right (in fact the responsibility) to inform a witness that they will be charged with perjury if they lie on the stand. There is no issue with him doing this.
That said, I won't be surprised if the DT use that as an appeal issue with all of the ridiculous reasons they have tried to get a mistrial. They can use whatever issue they want to try to get an appeal but IMO this is a non-issue and will get them nowhere.

 

[MeeBee]

From what I understand the house was not foreclosed on. It was sold through normal means. TA paid (IIRC) 250 thousand and the new owners got it for 209 thousand.
This is my impression from the interview with the new homeowners (and adjoining article which includes comments from their realtor) that someone posted earlier today.

I saw on a real estate website that the house was foreclosed on at some point after his death. That is what the record said. I think I still have the link somewhere.

 

[ElleElle]

The DT played dirtier. Trying to bring in forged letters that Jodi wrote. :facepalm:

I'm glad MM got away and realized lying for Jodi would of been a mistake.

If Juan actually said, if you testify at trial I'll hit you with perjury before your feet hit the ground, or any semblance of that, that's a serious constitutional grounds for appeal, putting aside all of the other issues pertaining to those letters.

eta: I missed the part about how you don't think I know what I'm talking about. Yes, please do put it in the attorneys' thread. I don't need to.

 

[birdy0]

does anyone have the link to when jm presented the coded words in the magazine? I"d like to see it again tia

 

[MidwestMama]

If Juan actually said, if you testify at trial I'll hit you with perjury before your feet hit the ground, or any semblance of that, that's a serious constitutional grounds for appeal, putting aside all of the other issues pertaining to those letters.

eta: I missed the part about how you don't think I know what I'm talking about. Yes, please do put it in the attorneys' thread. I don't need to.

A verified attorney already responded to this on this thread. She said it was not an issue. (it says verified attorney under his/her screen name)

ETA: must be tired, I left the word attorney out when I posted.

 

[MeeBee]

does anyone have the link to when jm presented the coded words in the magazine? I"d like to see it again tia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoBGNV-nFUU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2pbKwAtKVU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4QXrO8EO8k

 

[TXProfessional]

Well, like I said, he was reluctant to believe Jodi killed Travis and while he was under subpoena waiting to testify he didn't know her new defense was that she killed Travis in self defense. He thought she was still saying the intruders did it and he believed her. Now, he realizes she did it, yes because she admitted it, but also seems to not believe it was not done in self defense because her stories about Travis are untrue.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. So in essence he didn't believe the self-defense claim once he realized, in court, that she admitted that she murderered TA. Makes sense now.

 

[ElleElle]

I agree with you, then why did she just snap the pics and leave on Jun4, then expose him while in Cancun.

I wonder if she revealed that she had the sex tapes and said she was going to distribute it to everyone he knew including the bishop if he didn't ______?_______ .
Maybe she said she was planning to do it the day he left for Cancun adding, "Hope you have a nice time, I'm going to ruin your sterling reputation with EVERYONE you know, your PPL career and your Mormon good-boy image will all be flushing down the drain as you land in Mexico. Or just give me $50,000 to destroy them. Ole` you blanking blank".

It had to be something that would devastate him personally and be extremely hurtful to him. He probably would have been totally crushed to know she had sex tapes and nude pics she planned to use against him.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Daniel Freeman has said they were closer to Travis than Jodi but were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and they couldn't see how she could have killed Travis. They had no idea what her defense was and he says when he was on the stand and was being questioned by the DT he smiled to himself when he realized they were trying to paint Travis as a bad guy. He thought that'll never work because he was a GREAT guy. He says he was only there to testify truthfully and Juan seemed to feel comfortable questioning him when he realized this.

Dan Freeman has since come to the conclusion that Jodi did kill Travis. Probably because he knows her stories of abuse and pedophilia is patently false.

Where is he saying this?