State v Bradley Cooper - 3/25/11

[SleuthinNC]

So, I have listened to this testimony a second time and have taken some notes. Some of this may have already been discussed.

At 2:32am there is a data usage call, this is not the same as receiving or sending text messages. This may be normal at&t activity at this hour.

For the 6:05am call, this is 23 second duration call, 1 second seizure time, and the calling party is seen as 8541511. This call, for some reason, does not show on the billable record. The TWC call records should have an indication of this call. These 1 second seizure times are interesting as it appears to be auto answered, such as calling 4762001. You hear no ringback tones when the call is auto answered as the call is answered immediately. So for a call received by a cell phone to have a seizure time of 1 second it would appear that the cell phone is set to call forward all to VM. Perhaps this is why the call is not billable as the billing part will only occur when the vm is retrieved?

At 6.25am, not on billable record, there is a GPRS call, internet browsing. This is interesting in that the HT records show him entering the store at 6:22am. So this must have occurred right after leaving HT on the first trip.

At 6:34am there is a call received from 8541511, 0 second duration and no seizure time indicated. So this call was neither answered nor forwarded to vm. I wonder if seizure time is recorded for calls that are not answered, the reason I ask this is that the seizure time would indicate the amount of time it took to possibly locate the phone.

At 6:37am, an outbound call to 4672001, 29 second duration with a seizure time of 1 second. This indicates that seizure time must be recorded for outbound calls from cell phone. This call was tracked to cell tower X.

At 6:40am, an inbound call from 8541511, 32 seconds in duration and a seizure time of 8 seconds. This call was tracked to cell tower Y. I am not implying anything odd with the different cell towers. I would only find it interesting to know where cell tower X is located as it relates to where NC's body was found. This is the call from NC according to BC.

At 6:45am a call to cell phone VM, duration of 63 seconds.

At 6:46am receives a text message.

At 6:47am another call to cell phone VM, duration of 25 seconds.

I hope they show what that 6:25 GPRS call actually was. Right now we just no it was data. It could have been browsing, reading/sending email, etc.

 

[ncsu95]

6:05 854-1511 called 1196 23 secs
6:34 1511 called 1196 0 sec
6:37 1196 calls 476-2001 29 sec
6:40 1511 calls 1196 32 sec
6:45 1196 to voicemail for 63 sec
6:46 txt to 1196
6:47 1196 to voicemail

So the 29 second call to Cisco....unless he already had some type of simring or whatever set up, that wouldn't be enough time to actually do anything. That 29 seconds would include the time it took to enter his extension once the automated system answered. So checking voicemail is a likely scenario here.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Why couldn't this be the call to locate his cell phone? This phone stuff is very confusing.

The 23 second duration of the 6:05 call leads me to believe he was not just locating his phone.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Why couldn't this be the call to locate his cell phone? This phone stuff is very confusing.

I don't know of anyone who answers their cell phone once they locate it by calling it. The call to locate his phone was at 6:34 a.m. and the call was zero seconds because he didn't answer it. That was the explanation given by the defense in opening. The only problem with this is that there was only a one second seizure time. That means that it didn't ring and ring. It sort of indicates that the call was terminated immediately at the cell phone end which means he had to be holding it in his hand when he called to locate it. That's what I took from that whole exchange anyway.

ETA: or I suppose he could have hung up the home phone as soon as he heard it beginning to ring. That seems improbable to me.

 

[ncsu95]

One of the calls made by Brad in the early morning of 7/12 (around 6:30am) pinged off the tower closest to the location of Nancy's body...within a mile it looks like. Kurtz was trying to get the AT&T guy to say that the actual tower was located somewhere else, but the AT&T guy could not testify to that.

This is BIG, imho. It physically puts Brad very much south of his home, south of HT...south of anywhere he claimed to be that early morning. It put him closer to the body location than either his own house or HT!

It really isn't big and proves nothing. The prosecution went through Nancy's calls on the 11th and the progression bounced between 3 tours, often within minutes of each other. That took the "which cell tower" argument out of the equation. That and the witness admitted that you could end up on different towers without changing locations.

 

[ncsu95]

Thanks!

I can understand a missed call to locate your cellphone, but the 23 second call at 6:05 has me intrigued.

Yes. I'd like to hear the purpose of this one as well.

 

[cityslick]

So, I have listened to this testimony a second time and have taken some notes. Some of this may have already been discussed.

At 2:32am there is a data usage call, this is not the same as receiving or sending text messages. This may be normal at&t activity at this hour.

For the 6:05am call, this is 23 second duration call, 1 second seizure time, and the calling party is seen as 8541511. This call, for some reason, does not show on the billable record. The TWC call records should have an indication of this call. These 1 second seizure times are interesting as it appears to be auto answered, such as calling 4762001. You hear no ringback tones when the call is auto answered as the call is answered immediately. So for a call received by a cell phone to have a seizure time of 1 second it would appear that the cell phone is set to call forward all to VM. Perhaps this is why the call is not billable as the billing part will only occur when the vm is retrieved?

At 6.25am, not on billable record, there is a GPRS call, internet browsing. This is interesting in that the HT records show him entering the store at 6:22am. So this must have occurred right after leaving HT on the first trip.

At 6:34am there is a call received from 8541511, 0 second duration and no seizure time indicated. So this call was neither answered nor forwarded to vm. I wonder if seizure time is recorded for calls that are not answered, the reason I ask this is that the seizure time would indicate the amount of time it took to possibly locate the phone.

At 6:37am, an outbound call to 4672001, 29 second duration with a seizure time of 1 second. This indicates that seizure time must be recorded for outbound calls from cell phone. This call was tracked to cell tower X.

At 6:40am, an inbound call from 8541511, 32 seconds in duration and a seizure time of 8 seconds. This call was tracked to cell tower Y. I am not implying anything odd with the different cell towers. I would only find it interesting to know where cell tower X is located as it relates to where NC's body was found. This is the call from NC according to BC.

At 6:45am a call to cell phone VM, duration of 63 seconds.

At 6:46am receives a text message.

At 6:47am another call to cell phone VM, duration of 25 seconds.

Excellent breakdown. It's amazing that if that's how it actually went down, with him being a VOIP/Cisco expert, how did he not think any of this stuff would not be logged? He went though all this trouble of cleaning/lying/misdirection and the one area where he should had incredible expertise was the phones. If they can tie all this stuff together in testimony, that will be your smoking gun.

Is there a better definition of irony?

 

[ncsu95]

I'm intrigued by the 6:05 call as well. I can't remember the explanation as why that call was on one report but not the other. When he called Cisco I believe he was using his cell phone to make that call, so he wasn't locating the phone with that call.

Here is a theory. It's not based on any knowledge on how this stuff works:

The 6:05 call was used to setup/test the landline calling his cell. He set it up to call 30 minutes from that point. 30 minutes later, the test call goes to his cell phone. With the test sucessfull, he calls Cisco to remote run the test again, this time setting it up to send a call in 2-3 mins. At this point he leaves for HT again. The landline again calls his cell 3 mins later. After that I can't explain why he would call his voicemail.

P.S. With now the knowledge of a 6:05 call, that would only give him 15 mins to leave the house, dump the body and get to HT by 6:20, assuming he made that call manually at 6:05. Kind of hurts the theory that he went to the dump site right before HT.

Very true. I'd love to hear what this call was for though. Locating a cell wouldn't take 23 seconds.

 

[sunshine05]

Added cell # translation for clarity

Wait, the 6:37 AND 6:40 were from which, his cell or the home phone?

 

[SleuthinNC]

For the 6:05am call, this is 23 second duration call, 1 second seizure time, and the calling party is seen as 8541511. This call, for some reason, does not show on the billable record. The TWC call records should have an indication of this call. These 1 second seizure times are interesting as it appears to be auto answered, such as calling 4762001. You hear no ringback tones when the call is auto answered as the call is answered immediately. So for a call received by a cell phone to have a seizure time of 1 second it would appear that the cell phone is set to call forward all to VM. Perhaps this is why the call is not billable as the billing part will only occur when the vm is retrieved?
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I was thinking this to, like maybe he had "send all calls to voicemail" set on the cell. The only question I have on this is that the calls look like they would show up on the records as having the termination number being the voicemail number not the cell phone number. Maybe we just didn't get to see the right records to show that?

 

[Just the Fax]

Wait, the 6:37 AND 6:40 were from which, his cell or the home phone?

see how confusing all these numbers are?

I deleted my post cause it was wrong

 

[Maja]

I surmise BC put NC's body at the site prior to these 6 AM times...like sometime after 2:30am and prior to 6 am.

 

[ncsu95]

Why couldn't this be the call to locate his cell phone? This phone stuff is very confusing.

In my opinion, it wouldn't make sense because of the call duration (23 seconds or so). When I locate my phone, I never answer it.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I surmise BC put NC's body at the site prior to these 6 AM times...like sometime after 2:30am and prior to 6 am.

I think it would have been between 4 and 5 am with his allegation that Katie awoke at 4-ish to explain any lights and movement that may have been noticed in the house.

Also, I have wondered, if a fussy child awoke at 4-4:30 am, why wait until 6 to go get the milk?

 

[ncsu95]

Wait, the 6:37 AND 6:40 were from which, his cell or the home phone?

6:37 from cell to Cisco
6:40 from home to cell

 

[NCEast]

I was thinking this to, like maybe he had "send all calls to voicemail" set on the cell. The only question I have on this is that the calls look like they would show up on the records as having the termination number being the voicemail number not the cell phone number. Maybe we just didn't get to see the right records to show that?

You guys are doing a TERRIFIC job of sorting through all of this. Right or wrong, big props to each of you for trying. I got bogged down during testimony, had a couple of interruptions, and more or less gave up on trying to understand it. I really appreciate you all breaking things down so that the times and other info are easy to see and easier to understand.....even if I still don't understand all of it.
I have to work out of the house again on Monday, which I am already dreading. Would much rather be he watching the trial feed. However, I know I can depend on you all to help me get caught up. Thanks for all you do!

 

[ncsu95]

I wonder what the seizure time would show if the cell was turned off. It would go immediately to voicemail.

 

[Just the Fax]

So, I have listened to this testimony a second time and have taken some notes. Some of this may have already been discussed.

At 2:32am there is a data usage call, this is not the same as receiving or sending text messages. This may be normal at&t activity at this hour.

For the 6:05am call, this is 23 second duration call, 1 second seizure time, and the calling party is seen as 8541511 (home). This call, for some reason, does not show on the billable record. The TWC call records should have an indication of this call. These 1 second seizure times are interesting as it appears to be auto answered, such as calling 4762001(Cisco). You hear no ringback tones when the call is auto answered as the call is answered immediately. So for a call received by a cell phone to have a seizure time of 1 second it would appear that the cell phone is set to call forward all to VM. Perhaps this is why the call is not billable as the billing part will only occur when the vm is retrieved?

At 6.25am, not on billable record, there is a GPRS call, internet browsing?. This is interesting in that the HT records show him entering the store at 6:22am. So this must have occurred right after leaving HT on the first trip.

At 6:34am there is a call received from 8541511(home), 0 second duration and no seizure time indicated. So this call was neither answered nor forwarded to vm. I wonder if seizure time is recorded for calls that are not answered, the reason I ask this is that the seizure time would indicate the amount of time it took to possibly locate the phone.

At 6:37am, an outbound call(Brads cell to 4672001 Cisco), 29 second duration with a seizure time of 1 second. This indicates that seizure time must be recorded for outbound calls from cell phone. This call was tracked to cell tower X.

At 6:40am, an inbound call from 8541511 (home), 32 seconds in duration and a seizure time of 8 seconds. This call was tracked to cell tower Y. I am not implying anything odd with the different cell towers. I would only find it interesting to know where cell tower X is located as it relates to where NC's body was found. This is the call from NC according to BC.

At 6:45am a call to cell phone VM, duration of 63 seconds.

At 6:46am receives a text message.

At 6:47am another call to cell phone VM, duration of 25 seconds.

Clarification on numbers

 

[Cheyenne130]

I think it would have been between 4 and 5 am with his allegation that Katie awoke at 4-ish to explain any lights and movement that may have been noticed in the house.

Also, I have wondered, if a fussy child awoke at 4-4:30 am, why wait until 6 to go get the milk?

I said the same thing recently. She would have sent him to the store at that point and not let the 2 year old cry for 2 hours.

 

[Albert]

I don't know of anyone who answers their cell phone once they locate it by calling it. The call to locate his phone was at 6:34 a.m. and the call was zero seconds because he didn't answer it. That was the explanation given by the defense in opening. The only problem with this is that there was only a one second seizure time. That means that it didn't ring and ring. It sort of indicates that the call was terminated immediately at the cell phone end which means he had to be holding it in his hand when he called to locate it. That's what I took from that whole exchange anyway.

ETA: or I suppose he could have hung up the home phone as soon as he heard it beginning to ring. That seems improbable to me.

I don't believe the call at 6:34am had any seizure time. I did not hear any mention of seizure time for this call during the testimony. A 1 second seizure time would indicate the call was answered and therefore the duration could not be 0 seconds. The billing report indicates that duration are round up to whole numbers in minute increments.