State v Bradley Cooper - 3/25/11

[Maja]

I personally wouldn't go to the store at 4AM. If the hope was to calm her down, I can understand waiting. It's not like she was an infant. It's like letting a baby CIO when they won't fall asleep. I just don't find this suspect.

Like I've noted prior, the little lady is TWO! She can eat food, has a whole mouth full of teeth, can drink any other beverage. Found it odd she was on a bottle. All three of my kids were off a bottle by a year. My grandson is two and he hasn't been on a bottle since he was 14 months old.

 

[sunshine05]

If you initiate the call and leave a voice mail, you are charged or have those minutes/seconds accounted for on your account. If you receive a voice mail, you don't get charged or have that time added to your account until you call your voice mail to retrieve the message.

But I'm not talking necessarily about what was charged, rather just the trace of the call going out at such and such time for x amount of time. It DID show up today in court. That's how we know there is a 23 second call out at 6:05.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I'm confused. I'm sure I've made calls before and got voice mail and was charged for the time of the recorded message, whether I left a message or not. This was years ago when I was in sales and had to expense cell phone bills so maybe that has changed. (this was from a cell phone though, not a land line).

ETA :but regardless, I think the 23 second recorded message would show as a call and the 1 sec seizure time would be bc it was set on one ring and rolled to VM.

In this case you were the calling party not the one receiving the voicemail. The one receiving the voicemail wouldn't have billable time for that.

I think the seizure time thing is really a red herring. It is possible for the cell switch to immediately recognize the call as a voice call since it came from off network and assigned a voice channel right away which would stop the seizure timer.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Where did you hear there were no other calls? He claimed to have talked to Mike Hiller about canceling tennis and then the call from JA and then the call back to her looking for CC's #. Did records show no calls today???

I was only talking about his cell phone. The records today were for the cell, not the landline.

 

[Cheyenne130]

But I'm not talking necessarily about what was charged, rather just the trace of the call going out at such and such time for x amount of time. It DID show up today in court. That's how we know there is a 23 second call out at 6:05.

6:05 was an incoming call from the landline to his cell phone.

 

[borndem]

One more thing about the milk. If they were trying to wean her off it for night time wakings, it would make sense to finally go and get it at 6AM because then it's time to start the day. But if you're trying to discourage night time waking, most parents will try very hard not to cave and give them the milk.

I don't think she woke up at 4am.

BC just needed to turn the lights on and finish things up -- BC had to get the garage clean and that body into the trunk. But I don't think we'll ever know -- BC is the only one who does, and he will never tell us.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Where did you hear there were no other calls? He claimed to have talked to Mike Hiller about canceling tennis and then the call from JA and then the call back to her looking for CC's #. Did records show no calls today???

Those may have been from the home phone. We haven't seen any of those call records yet.

 

[sunshine05]

Like I've noted prior, the little lady is TWO! She can eat food, has a whole mouth full of teeth, can drink any other beverage. Found it odd she was on a bottle. All three of my kids were off a bottle by a year. My grandson is two and he hasn't been on a bottle since he was 14 months old.

Everyone is different. I nursed my son until he was 2. He also drank from a bottle until close to age 2. It is not a very odd situation. Just because you personally did this with your kids doesn't mean everyone does. And I don't think a jury would find this suspicious, jmo.

 

[SleuthinNC]

But I'm not talking necessarily about what was charged, rather just the trace of the call going out at such and such time for x amount of time. It DID show up today in court. That's how we know there is a 23 second call out at 6:05.

Early on in the proceedings today he showed a call that was forwarded to voicemail and on the call log it shows the originating number and the terminating number was the voicemail number rather than the cell phone number so it would have shown up if it went to voicemail.

 

[sunshine05]

I don't think she woke up at 4am.

BC just needed to turn the lights on and finish things up -- BC had to get the garage clean and that body into the trunk. But I don't think we'll ever know -- BC is the only one who does, and he will never tell us.

But this is about your "feelings", not proof of anything. The story is believable. My 6 year old still wakes in the middle of the night, especially if he is sick and sometimes we are up for hours trying to deal with coughing, fever and making him comfortable.

 

[Cheyenne130]

But this is about your "feelings", not proof of anything. The story is believable. My 6 year old still wakes in the middle of the night, especially if he is sick and sometimes we are up for hours trying to deal with coughing, fever and making him comfortable.

I don't recall Brad mentioning anything about having a sick child.

ETA: There was no milk in the house for the children. Actually according to the detectives there was little in the way of food. They had Nancy's milk and Brad's milk and none for the children. It seems to me that milk for a four year old and a two year old would be a necessity whether or not a two year old is on a bottle, cup or just needs it for cereal.

 

[ncsu95]

Ok, thanks for listening to Kurtz again (I couldn't do it)
So the 6:34AM call came from home while he was on the road.
Kurtz will just say it was Nancy and it didn't connect so she called back at 6:40AM

I guess that's reasonable.

 

[sunshine05]

I don't think she woke up at 4am.

BC just needed to turn the lights on and finish things up -- BC had to get the garage clean and that body into the trunk. But I don't think we'll ever know -- BC is the only one who does, and he will never tell us.

I have never heard of a person transporting a body in a vehicle and having no trace whatsoever of that taking place. No tire tracks, no hair, DNA, blood, clothing fibers. Not one fiber.....nothing. How can this be? Shop Vacs aren't that good. I have to have serious doubt there was a body in that car.

 

[Just the Fax]

I'm not sure the cell phone calls are suspect, without seeing home-office phone records for that day, and home phone records. Maybe he always checks his voicemail constantly on Saturday?? I do think I need more on the phone call activity before calling it suspicious.

Good pointer for the ADA. Show the jury that this flury of calls from 6AM to 7AM is highly unusual , especially for a Saturday.

He did work Friday and was at home doing nothing after he put the girls to bed.
If he had VM's or missed calls, seems likely he would have taken care of it Friday evening.

 

[ncsu95]

Trying to say that the 6:05 call was from the home phone to locate the cell phone makes no sense unless he wants us to believe that Brad talked to himself for 23 seconds once he located his phone.

Was 23 seconds the seizure time or the length of the call?

 

[Cheyenne130]

Was 23 seconds the seizure time or the length of the call?

Length of call.

 

[BrownRice]

I'd like to see Saturday phone records for BC for the previous 6 months (or any other extended period) to see if 7/12's morning was atypical for him. Perhaps it's not?

 

[ncsu95]

Wow, you may have just laid out what may sink him -- along with the necklace and just a pile of little other odd activities. I think you're spot on -- and this angle might just really hurt the defense. It's just a simple & common sense idea of "this just doesn't look right." Yeah, the more I think about it...as in, "I don't care about all those pings & things & seizure times and towers -- something strange is going on."

I remember one juror in the Jeffrey MacDonald case -- another very circumstantial case -- said that it wasn't any one thing, it was just a lot of little things all piled up. Thanks for KISS.

I think the necklace is a non-issue. If it was broken, I believe it would have been introduced by now.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Was 23 seconds the seizure time or the length of the call?

length of the call

 

[ncsu95]

Wow, you may have just laid out what may sink him -- along with the necklace and just a pile of little other odd activities. I think you're spot on -- and this angle might just really hurt the defense. It's just a simple & common sense idea of "this just doesn't look right." Yeah, the more I think about it...as in, "I don't care about all those pings & things & seizure times and towers -- something strange is going on."

I remember one juror in the Jeffrey MacDonald case -- another very circumstantial case -- said that it wasn't any one thing, it was just a lot of little things all piled up. Thanks for KISS.

But you can't ignore all of that. You have a call from the home phone to his cell phone with him walking into HT a minute later. The prosecution HAS to prove he spoofed that call.