State vs. Jason Lynn Young 02-29-12

[Cammy]

Agree. But, it is more or less up to the judge subject to the NC Supreme Court case State v. Strickland. This "3rd option" for the jury could I guess result in a compromise verdict, but from my view of the facts he either planned it or didn't do it.

So, all or nothing?

Didn't they also include 2nd degree in the Cooper case?

 

[Allusonz]

I want to say I have enjoyed posting on here and reading every ones opinions. I will be leaving Raleigh tomorrow morning to travel to Baltimore for my uncle's funeral. I will not be back in Raleigh till Saturday. I will have to watch closing arguments sometime over the weekend when I return. I will be be taking my kindle fire to Baltimore and be looking at websleuths when I can. So keep me posted. Praying for justice for MY, RY, MF, and LF

Safe travels and many prayers sent to you and your family.

 

[LOMom]

If she cleaned herself, there would have been evidence of this - dirty towels, wipes, etc.. Cassidy, would not have disposed of these things. Heck, even her dirty diaper was missing!! Also, I don't recall that there were bloody footprints in the hallway - I thought only the master bedroom and the bathroom. Oh, and don't forget that Cassidy's footprint was found on the bathroom wall (not just the floor) - evidence of being lifted off the floor.

I think she cleaned herself and that's why the feet cleaning was only half done. The daycare employees and Meredith both testified that the child was able to turn on the taps and wash her hands. The bathroom has one set of prints belonging to the child. She talked about a wash cloth. There are child's prints on the carpet between the bedroom and the bathroom. I don't see anything pointing to another person washing her feet ... and I don't believe it happened in the backyard.

 

[Turnadot]

That is incorrect......We all thought that for a long time, until this trial it came out that the more luminol that was sprayed, more of her footprints
showed up.

We never heard that before, and yes, I do think there is a possibilty she cleaned herself up.

Especially because there was still blood residue by her toenails and in her shoe.

The shoe that just appeared in MY"S and JY's bed.....why would a child take a shoe to bed?

Oh wow. I obviously missed this. IDK how. Thanks, Cammy.

 

[LOMom]

"could" is the operative word there. Also, JY would have had gloves on.

The medical examiner also said the first blows to MY's face could have came from a fist,
there was not one mark on Jason's hands.

 

[Cammy]

Safe travels and many prayers sent to you and your family.

Me too, Grammy Jean, sorry, I missed that.

I am skipping over posts to catch up.

Take care, Grammy Jean.....

 

[Turnadot]

"could" is the operative word there. Also, JY would have had gloves on.

Wouldn't his hand still be swollen though?

Unless the first blow was a fist and the rest where with a bat or something.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Agree. But, it is more or less up to the judge subject to the NC Supreme Court case State v. Strickland. This "3rd option" for the jury could I guess result in a compromise verdict, but from my view of the facts he either planned it or didn't do it.

I have always been under the impression that the evidence entered has to support the degrees charged. How the Judge thinks the evidence may show Second Degree leaves me clueless. I just dont see anything that points to it being a Second Degree case.

The State is saying he drove all the way back home with the intent to murder Michelle. That is First Degree for sure and is certainly not Second Degree.

When the State wants added charges it gives me the Heebie Jeebies for it shows they are not sure of their case, imo.

 

[LOMom]

That is incorrect......We all thought that for a long time, until this trial it came out that the more luminol that was sprayed, more of her footprints
showed up.

We never heard that before, and yes, I do think there is a possibilty she cleaned herself up.

Especially because there was still blood residue by her toenails and in her shoe.

The shoe that just appeared in MY"S and JY's bed.....why would a child take a shoe to bed?

Maybe she wanted to leave with Daddy???

 

[Cammy]

Thank you...and everybody for your sweetness. I'm about to head to bed. The doctor asked me first thing if I had been under a lot of stress in the past week or so and this crazy trial was all I could think of. I didn't tell him I had been glued to it for the past several weeks as I was afraid he would put me in the psych ward. Isn't is funny how we can get so darn wrapped up in these cases. People who aren't into true crime just don't understand.
GrammyJean--hope you have a safe trip. I'm sorry for your loss. I don't think you'll miss much with respect to this trial since the weekend is approaching. Looking forward to having you rejoin us when you can.

Please take care, NC East..........

 

[Madeleine74]

Be safe Granny Jean and feel better NCEast!

 

[gritguy]

I have always been under the impression that the evidence entered has to support the degrees charged. How the Judge thinks the evidence may show Second Degree leaves me clueless. I just dont see anything that points to it being a Second Degree case.

The State is saying he drove all the way back home with the intent to murder Michelle. That is First Degree for sure and is certainly not Second Degree.

When the State wants added charges it gives me the Heebie Jeebies for it shows they are not sure of their case, imo.

It was state law (by the NC Supreme Court) up until the case cited in the boring legal stuff I posted that a second degree murder instruction had to be given, if the state was proving premeditation in a 1st degree case. Then that got overruled to say they are not required to give that instruction unless there is a basis for such.

So did you guys hear that the state is asking for that in this case? An interesting turn if so.

 

[janesdean]

The medical examiner also said the first blows to MY's face could have came from a fist,
there was not one mark on Jason's hands.

The ME was asked if any of her injuries could have come from someones hands, and he said he supposed the injury to her mouth could have and that of course the injury to her neck did.
Since Michelle only had scratches on her own neck and no dna under her nails, seems Jason wore gloves for at least part of the murder.

 

[JSR]

"could" is the operative word there. Also, JY would have had gloves on.

I think it's safe to say that whoever killed Michelle had gloves on. Because IIRC there was no dna or skin under Michelle's nails. Surely she would have tried to scratch her killer as she was being strangled. I think it's safe to say if a killer was wearing long sleeves and gloves it would have been very possible for them to leave that very one sided fight without a mark on him.

 

[Madeleine74]

Grit, I didn't hear it, but apparently it was overheard during one of the feeds coming from the courtroom. Acting in concert with another (that would still be 1st degree, yes?).

 

[otto]

I am going by what the ME testified to in both trials.

Did the medical examiner say that there was no struggle?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But if I recall in that case didn't Ms. Vatali cause some frustration for Scott Dyleski? Didn't something go to her house that was supposed to go to his? If I recall it involved some sort of credit card scam. It's quite possible that Dyleski unleashed his rage on Ms. Vatali due to the frustration over the items. He may not have known her and certainly his anger was misplaced but in his twisted mind it seemed justified.

The point is it's rare, extremely rare, to have this violent and brutal of an attack with the assailant not be known to the victim. Who ever killed Michelle knew her. I'm of the opinion that Michelle's killer is the man being charged with her murder.

The only thing I can say with certainty is that Michelle was killed by someone who knew her and had no problem hitting her over and over enough to knock out her teeth over the room and down her throat.

It was an overkill of epic proportions and I think is evidence to JY's guilt.

He hit her 10 times, correct? I do fully understand what you are saying and do agree that it can mean that the killer was someone known to the victim.

However overkills by strangers are done more often than some may think.

I could list many such cases of overkill by a stranger but one of the top of my head is the Sarah Walker case out of Texas. She was hit 22 times and stabbed also and the perp turned out to be an ex-felon who did not know Ms. Wallker. He was just a ruthless killer who probably had rage to begin with and just mean as h*ll.

IMO

 

[Cammy]

Wouldn't his hand still be swollen though?

Unless the first blow was a fist and the rest where with a bat or something.

If Jason killed Michelle, he would have to have some kind of a mark somewhere, imo.

I mean come on, they even photographed him without his clothes on.

 

[SteelerGirl43]

But if I recall in that case didn't Ms. Vatali cause some frustration for Scott Dyleski? Didn't something go to her house that was supposed to go to his? If I recall it involved some sort of credit card scam. It's quite possible that Dyleski unleashed his rage on Ms. Vatali due to the frustration over the items. He may not have known her and certainly his anger was misplaced but in his twisted mind it seemed justified.

The point is it's rare, extremely rare, to have this violent and brutal of an attack with the assailant not be known to the victim. Who ever killed Michelle knew her. I'm of the opinion that Michelle's killer is the man being charged with her murder.

The only thing I can say with certainty is that Michelle was killed by someone who knew her and had no problem hitting her over and over enough to knock out her teeth over the room and down her throat.

It was an overkill of epic proportions and I think is evidence to JY's guilt.

I don't believe this guy knew his victims....

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/...ily/hennis/overkill-three-brutal-murders.html

Kara, 5, had been stabbed repeatedly. Erin, 3, had been bludgeoned to death. Kathryn "Katie" Eastburn had been tied up, apparently raped, and stabbed fifteen times. Those injuries were more than enough to kill the woman and the two girls; in a shocking example of what police call "overkill", the attacker had also slit each of their throats.

 

[janesdean]

It was state law (by the NC Supreme Court) up until the case cited in the boring legal stuff I posted that a second degree murder instruction had to be given, if the state was proving premeditation in a 1st degree case. Then that got overruled to say they are not required to give that instruction unless there is a basis for such.

So did you guys hear that the state is asking for that in this case? An interesting turn if so.

Very interesting, this jury should be able to convict with no apprehension.