State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-15-2012

[otto]

I'm handicapped today ... using a mac (don't know how to refresh or anything) ... I'll have to catch up this evening ... relying on comments here.

 

[3doglady]

So it seems that the child was not sleeping, not drugged, but instead wearing shoes and wandering around.

I just heard that there was a spot of blood inside the shoe. The shoe could have been in MY's bedroom during the murder.

 

[Cammy]

So it seems that the child was not sleeping, not drugged, but instead wearing shoes and wandering around.

Yep, I bet the defense was going after this and the Pros did a pre~emptive strike.

WOW.

 

[RaleighNC]

So it seems that the child was not sleeping, not drugged, but instead wearing shoes and wandering around.

I don't think that those 2 things are mutually exclusive. We've established that she was awake and active prior to MF arriving on the scene - I don't believe either camp disputes this based on her level of engagement on the 911 call.

Not sure she couldn't have tried to do some "normal" things during the time she was awake / active. We know she was on the bathroom (maybe part of a morning routine?) so maybe she got ready to go out just like any other day?

I think blood on her shoe is more sad than evidenciary.

 

[Cammy]

I'm handicapped today ... using a mac (don't know how to refresh or anything) ... I'll have to catch up this evening ... relying on comments here.

Okay, I will try and help a little.

DNA explanation , humans are kind of like a copy machine and sometimes we all share the same strands.

 

[Cammy]

Now, we are talking about crime scenes, and how a person's dna is consistent throughout their entire body,

swabbing from inside the mouth, blood samples, or blood stains and the dna becomes stable for many many years

Now, the evidence as he gets to see it.

How does he get to see it?

Through serology........ you look for bloodstains , etc.

DNA analysis

BH is approaching the witness and introducing evidence in a manilla envelope

(someone is whispering)

The contents are outer lab numbers ,
blood stain of MY
blood stain of JY
swabbing from jewelery box
swabbing from sprinkler @ HI
swabbing from door molding @ Birchleaf
swabbing from sheetrock @ Birchleaf
cheek swabbing from Keith Hicks for an elimination standard
same with Elmer Goad for the above
same with a sgt. for elimination standard
(I missed one, sorry)

 

[the couger]

Wow, so, CY's shoes are coming in!!

Yes, it was brought out by the defense and on cross exam BH brought them from under her desk and entered them into evidence. Looks like one of the shoes that were on the bed.

 

[octobermoon]

Yep, I bet the defense was going after this and the Pros did a pre~emptive strike.

WOW.

See 3doglady's post above yours. The spot of blood was on the inside of her little shoe.

 

[TigerBalm]

I'm handicapped today ... using a mac (don't know how to refresh or anything) ... I'll have to catch up this evening ... relying on comments here.

Command + R

 

[otto]

I just heard that there was a spot of blood inside the shoe. The shoe could have been in MY's bedroom during the murder.

A child's shoe and flipflop were on the MB bed when Meredith arrived.

 

[Cammy]

DNA profile from sheetrock matched dna from Jason, ( but, we knew that)

 

[3doglady]

A child's shoe and flipflop were on the MB bed when Meredith arrived.

I know, but I didn't hear anything about blood on the bottom of the shoe, unless I missed it, so CY wasn't walking around with the shoes on. We know that CY was awake when LF got there.

 

[Cammy]

A child's shoe and flipflop were on the MB bed when Meredith arrived.

Yep, I noticed that a few months back and thought it was strange.

 

[Cammy]

I know, but I didn't hear anything about blood on the bottom of the shoe, unless I missed it, so CY wasn't walking around with the shoes on. We know that CY was awake when LF got there.

Yes, but we were also told she had been asleep until she was found.

 

[iucpa]

Is it just me or does the pros appear to be headed towards saying "OK, we don't know everything - there was someone else there - but Jason was definitely there"?

 

[otto]

DNA profile from sheetrock matched dna from Jason, ( but, we knew that)

Was it said that the hand print on the moulding was a match and the profile of the print was especially visible because it was defined by surrounding blood spatter?

 

[Talina]

Yes, but we were also told she had been asleep until she was found.

Who said that? I heard Meredith say Cassidy was hiding under the bedcovers/sheets but I did not hear her say Cassidy was asleep. I recall her saying Cassidy was awake.

ETA: I've seen speculation that she must have been asleep at some point in time (which is logical to me ) but I've never seen any testimony yet that said she was asleep until found.

 

[3doglady]

Yes, but we were also told she had been asleep until she was found.

How would anyone be able to testify to that? I just heard that the DA thought she had been drugged so she would sleep, but no one knows for how long.

 

[otto]

Is it just me or does the pros appear to be headed towards saying "OK, we don't know everything - there was someone else there - but Jason was definitely there"?

Interesting ... I think in the last trial, during the Judge's instructions, the jury was allowed to consider that someone else was there ... but there was no evidence that someone else was there so it seemed very unusual. Perhaps someone remembers the details better. Maybe this time around, the prosecution is trying to argue that all the DNA points to some other unknown person, but that if Jason wasn't there, he was the mastermind. Kind of a catch all prosecution ... no evidence the guy did it, but the husband is usually guilty and the marriage was on the rocks, so he's probably guilty even if it can't be proven.

 

[Cammy]

Was it said that the hand print on the moulding was a match and the profile of the print was especially visible because it was defined by surrounding blood spatter?

Partial dna profile, only 2 of the markers out of 15 to Jason and none to Michelle.


SPOILER
But, later, we will learn that they have no way of knowing how long it had been there.

No, wait, they are doing that now.
There is no way they know how long it was there, could be up to 20 years, not like it was outside, or in a wooded area..

Fungus can eat DNA, I am learning more than I want to, lol.