State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-16-2012

[the couger]

That might be true but the facts entered into this case include Shelly testifying to how cold the house was that Thursday evening and that she never removed her coat while she was there.

My understanding is the heat downstairs was working, if it was that cold, Michelle could have turned the downstairs heat on.

 

[luckyme]

The house was extremely cold that night. So cold in fact, that her good friend who came to visit that evening never took off her winter coat.

And her mom offered to give her the money to have it fixed, but jason was looking into a home warranty policy and he had to wait 30 days to claim. Cy had a pink sweat suit on that night. moo

 

[foltster]

That might be true but the facts entered into this case include Shelly testifying to how cold the house was that Thursday evening and that she never removed her coat while she was there.

Well what do you consider cold?

We keep our house at 62 in the winter because i hate paying for electricity. Many people consider it cold but we don't mind. IF my mother comes over I bump it up to 68 and she still thinks its cold...

 

[RaleighNC]

Aux heat is more than capable of heating a house. It is designed to keep the house warm when it is too cold for the heat pump to supply heat, typically below 20F outdoors temps.

Disagree - coils supplement the heat pumps ability to extract heat from the outside air. Gas backup is a different story - but resistance coils are not sized to heat an entire house BY THEMSELVES without the benefit of the heat pump warming the air to the best of it's ability. i.e. the HP can't raise the temp of the outside air 60 degrees - so if it's 20 degrees outside, HP might get air to 60 degrees and coils supplement that another +20 degrees....

 

[gritguy]

As an aside - having gone through an entire COLD winter without a heatpump and not even having the air handler working on the main floor - it was COLD everywhere (I don't have aux coils) but - the upstairs was cold too - because the unit sized to handle the smaller upstairs could not keep up with the entire house.

ceiling fans, gas fireplace and space heaters and it was still a 5 dog night most nights.

So - not surprising the downstairs was cold too (watching TV took place downstairs, right?) and there's no report that both units were kaput. Raleigh NC houses of that age are not necessarily known to be the most heavily insulated either.

And if say it's a 1500 sq ft floor, the contractor could skate by on a 5k aux unit (slightly cheaper and allows a lower amp service to be run to the air handler = cheap), which will support the heat pump but when alone it's not too far from running a few hair dryers and hoping that will heat the house!

but, i agree if you have a heat pump, it should have an aux coil for proper function in NC i agree.

 

[Cammy]

My understanding is the heat downstairs was working, if it was that cold, Michelle could have turned the downstairs heat on.

:seeya: Coug!!

They also had a huge fireplace downstairs, if needed.

 

[luckyme]

As an aside - having gone through an entire COLD winter without a heatpump and not even having the air handler working on the main floor - it was COLD everywhere (I don't have aux coils) but - the upstairs was cold too - because the unit sized to handle the smaller upstairs could not keep up with the entire house.

ceiling fans, gas fireplace and space heaters and it was still a 5 dog night most nights.

So - not surprising the downstairs was cold too (watching TV took place downstairs, right?) and there's no report that both units were kaput. Raleigh NC houses of that age are not necessarily known to be the most heavily insulated either.

I had to go to a hotel when my garage caught fire. we had no heat my plants froze inside. It was cold and i have a big house too. moo

 

[luckyme]

:seeya: Coug!!

They also had a huge fireplace downstairs, if needed.

was it gas or wood burning? TIA

 

[Boodles]

Does anyone know whether court is closed Monday for President's Day? I assume so?

 

[Madeleine74]

When I need HVAC advice (and ummm civil legal advice) I know who I'm calling! < yoohooo GritGuy >

 

[gritguy]

Disagree - coils supplement the heat pumps ability to extract heat from the outside air. Gas backup is a different story - but resistance coils are not sized to heat an entire house BY THEMSELVES without the benefit of the heat pump warming the air to the best of it's ability. i.e. the HP can't raise the temp of the outside air 60 degrees - so if it's 20 degrees outside, HP might get air to 60 degrees and coils supplement that another +20 degrees....

Yep. Of course if you run a large service to your air handler (40-60amp or more?) you could have some serious heat strips in there that would provide serious heating and that could be there in some houses. But as it is, frequently as little as possible is included and the purpose is indeed to support heat pump operation. I just personally installed a 5k a couple of weeks ago in a rental house - that's all the service would handle but it's enough to keep the pump up to snuff. :twocents:

 

[Talina]

Well what do you consider cold?

We keep our house at 62 in the winter because i hate paying for electricity. Many people consider it cold but we don't mind. IF my mother comes over I bump it up to 68 and she still thinks its cold...

We have no idea what the temp in that house was but what I would consider cold doesn't matter. What matters is what Shelly considers cold since she is who testified she didn't take her coat off.

IMO

 

[twirlygurl]

I'm sure someone has checked into it....but there are 2 different size shoe prints. There was a witness that saw a vehicle with a female and a male inside. Does MM have an alibi? What size shoe does she wear? Is it possible that she helped JY?

 

[Cammy]

JY hasn't testified at this trial and at the last one he said Michelle had given them to Goodwill. He didn't say he had given them away. The shoes may have been in the Goodwill donations Meredith said was in the garage.

JMO

:goodpost:

 

[Madeleine74]

Anyone know if those Franklins were compared to the HP Orbital in terms of 'fit?' For instance, depending on the shoe manufacturer, type, and purpose I wear a 6.5, 7, or 7.5 size shoe. It just depends.

Wonder how different these 2 shoes are in terms of actual dimensions?

 

[gritguy]

When I need HVAC advice (and ummm civil legal advice) I know who I'm calling! < yoohooo GritGuy >

Yeah the company I'm in now has a division that does that (I'm at shade tree level or less on how it works), all the way from residential to the large pharma companies and micro fab companies and power plants etc.. I try to do my own work, but when I braze it wrong or otherwise screw up, I can call in the HVAC equivalent of SEAL Team 6 for extraction! :rocker:

 

[Cammy]

was it gas or wood burning? TIA

I think wood, from the photos.
Come to think of it, on the description of the listing on the house,
it also said that, I am pretty sure.

 

[nursebeeme]

JY hasn't testified at this trial and at the last one he said Michelle had given them to Goodwill. He didn't say he had given them away. The shoes may have been in the Goodwill donations Meredith said was in the garage.

JMO

the operative here is who was doing the saying about the shoes imhoo...

did anyone else say they were actually donated to goodwill other than the guy accused of murder?

 

[RaleighNC]

And if say it's a 1500 sq ft floor, the contractor could skate by on a 5k aux unit (slightly cheaper and allows a lower amp service to be run to the air handler = cheap), which will support the heat pump but when alone it's not too far from running a few hair dryers and hoping that will heat the house!

but, i agree if you have a heat pump, it should have an aux coil for proper function in NC i agree.

We had very efficient air source heat pumps and a very well insulated house - did not need aux coils for 14 years. Went geothermal in 2010 - no heat strips - but geothermal is a different animal when the input temps are a constant 60 degrees F or so...

Back to the trial.... (sorry for the digression)

 

[Madeleine74]

Can we get away from HVAC and heating systems and discuss the shoe evidence?