State vs. Jason Lynn Young 2-22-2012

[dgfred]

How can they not find him guilty in the first degree?

He could get up to 40 years and as little as 5 years.

Kicked in the door, and beat her........stole her computer.

But did not get any other charges.

I am sick.



BTW, it is on HLN.

From a 'crime of passion' viewpoint? Not planned? Blind drunk? Just guessing some things BTW.

He got grand larceny or another charge too.

 

[Cammy]

From a 'crime of passion' viewpoint? Not planned? Blind drunk? Just guessing some things BTW.

He got grand larceny or another charge too.

Not enough, DG.

There was more than enough evidence to get Murder One, imo.

But back to this case, I doubt Judge Stephens will include a lesser charge.

I often thought Jason should take a plea.

 

[frankdrack]

Question for anyone that thinks that JY is innocent or not guilty..........if not JY then who killed MY? What is the motive for anyone other than JY to kill her?

I am not sure that I fall into either category but one possible motive is anger.

It could have started out as a sexual assault but the situation didn't meet the attackers needs so he became angry and killed her.

 

[Cammy]

Once again, you never know how a jury will decide.

Got that right.
I didn't even know they had the case that long.
Must have been something they could not get past,
almost a compromised verdict, imo.
Her poor family.

 

[Cammy]

I am not sure that I fall into either category but one possible motive is anger.

It could have started out as a sexual assault but the situation didn't meet the attackers needs so he became angry and killed her.

:goodpost:

One of my theories, as well.

 

[Wolfpack]

It is only a part of looking at a crime. There is other evidence against him, however, in the beginning of looking at a crime one must decide who would have motive to kill. Was it a stranger? No, the manner of death shows that this was personal. Someone knew MY very well to have killed her in this manner. That then leads to those closest to her. Out of those closest to her who has the motive? JY does. Anyone else? Not that I have seen. If we ignore some of the things that point to JY as the killer, but that really do point to him as the killer, then we must figure out who would try to frame him. So then that leads back to who else had motive.

MOO

addressing the bolded part here... I don't think that a beating death can at all be limited to a close personal relationship. While it may not be as common for a random killing to involve such violence, it has happened, and it will continue to happen, so it cannot be ruled out.

 

[frankdrack]

SNIP Was it a stranger? No, the manner of death shows that this was personal. Someone knew MY very well to have killed her in this manner. SNIP
MOO

I do not believe that your statement is true.

Using statistics we can say that the majority people killed is a similar manner were killed by someone who had a personal relationship with the victim. We can’t apply statistics to an individual event.

 

[Cammy]

I missed the tail end of today, did HC do anything in redirect of Spivey that made up for that weak direct he did?

No, it was really awful, imo.

And, I know I am an NG, but I always admitted when the Pros had good days.

Today was not one of them.

 

[3doglady]

There were 2 policies, Coug..

One was from work for $100, 000 and one is the life insurance for a million dollars that she and Jason had on each other.

I thought the Pros was going to prove that Jason tried to collect the one from work, but he did not.

Unless he tried to collect on the bigger policy,which I doubt he did, it really isn't going to matter..

They are really stuck for a motive......

jmo

BBM Actually JY did try to collect after PE contacted JY and told him about it. JY applied for it but the insurance refused to pay him because he was under suspicion. The insurance lady testified to this and also the letters of refusal she received from the insurance co.

 

[Madeleine74]

It's up to the investigators to determine "who could have killed MY." It's not up to the jury to decide who might have. Their job is only to evaluate the evidence put forth before them and determine if the state has proved the burden of the charge beyond a reasonable doubt.

While it might be very tempting to try and play CSI investigator and imagine every other person who could have done such a thing and then try to think of reasons they might have wanted to kill Michelle, and while we do that in chat forums, that is not what jurors are supposed to do. They are not supposed to determine guilt by a process of elimination (i.e. if not JY then who else could have done it?)

The state contends JY murdered MY. They have produced evidence. The defense will attempt to counter that evidence to introduce doubt. In the end the jury determines if the state has met that burden beyond the standard or not. If they are using some other method like a process of elimination, they are not following the judge's orders or the law.

 

[gracielee]

It was awarded to LF and MF for CY as a result of the wrongful death verdict, where JY was declared by Judge S. as the slayer of MY

Was that testimony in court? That JLY was found liable in the wrongful death suit?

 

[Wolfpack]

Was that testimony in court? That JLY was found liable in the wrongful death suit?

No, and I highly doubt the Judge would ever allow that in.

But they can testify to who has CY, who collected the life insurance policy, etc., and they get the idea. But the burden of proof is different in a civil court, that it would create an improper burden in a criminal court, just by mentioning it.

 

[Just the Fax]

It was stated as fact that Jason had gloves in the photo from the Hampton Inn and that these gloves would definitely come in to the trial this time.

Today, we found out differently.

Not sure why you are misleading the board with this post?
Do you have a link anything was stated as "fact"?

Thank You

 

[octobermoon]

Was that testimony in court? That JLY was found liable in the wrongful death suit?

If it was I missed it.

 

[Madeleine74]

No. All that was testified to is that JY attempted to collect on Michelle's P.E. life insurance and that the insurance co. could not pay it out until he was cleared of any pending charges or suspicion. That money ultimately went to his daughter's estate in late 2008. What wasn't said is how that happened.

WE know it's because of the default of the wrongful death suit in which he was declared by the court to be the 'slayer' of Michelle, but the jury was not told that.

 

[3doglady]

No, and I highly doubt the Judge would ever allow that in.

But they can testify to who has CY, who collected the life insurance policy, etc., and they get the idea. But the burden of proof is different in a civil court, that it would create an improper burden in a criminal court, just by mentioning it.

Which is why I think the DA called the PE employee to testify about the insurance. If I were on the jury that would have told me that there was a court ruling that enabled LF to claim the insurance instead of JY.

 

[Just the Fax]

I am not sure that I fall into either category but one possible motive is anger.

It could have started out as a sexual assault but the situation didn't meet the attackers needs so he became angry and killed her.

What needs frank?
The ME said her top was on and pants were fully up when the blood spatter was shed. Even the DT knew they couldn't even hint a sexual assault gone bad motive.

Have any other ideas why a pregnant mom would be slaughtered to a pulp in her own home? Only thing of real value taken was her wedding ring.

 

[frankdrack]

What needs frank?
The ME said her top was on and pants were fully up when the blood spatter was shed. Even the DT knew they couldn't even hint a sexual assault gone bad motive.

Have any other ideas why a pregnant mom would be slaughtered to a pulp in her own home? Only thing of real value taken was her wedding ring.

It could be as simple that the attacker was furious that she was pregnant.

His fantasy could have been an athletic brown haired women and he was angry that she ruined the fantasy by being pregnant.

 

[sureLocke]

It could be as simple that the attacker was furious that she was pregnant.

His fantasy could have been an athletic brown haired women and he was angry that she ruined the fantasy by being pregnant.

I think it was more likely an angry lesbian that had thought she was a virgin and got awfully upset and decided she had had enough or not enough?

 

[frankdrack]

I think it was more likely an angry lesbian that had thought she was a virgin and got awfully upset and decided she had had enough or not enough?

Wow, you have interesting thoughts.