State vs. Jason Lynn Young 2-24-2012

[Cammy]

IIRC, this issue came up in the David Westerfield trial. Remember little Danielle van Dam?? I can't recall specifically the situation, but at the same time he was defending his client, he was attempting to broker a deal to 'give up the body site' if the DP was taken off the table. As I'm typing this, again, IIRC, the attorney was attempting to lay blame on Westerfields son, when he *knew* he'd attempted to 'give up the site of Danielle's body' to broker the deal. So in effect, he knew his client was GUILTY, because he knew where her body was. Luckily one of the search teams did find the body before he was able to broker that deal.

Remember this one well, Gracie...
The deal was on the table, when miraculously, little Danielle was found.
Westerfield's attorney even tried to blame David's son for use of the computer and child , but not the murder itself.
Remember how they also tried to blame the Mom and Dad?
:maddening:

Thankfully, he is on Death Row.

Great Prosecutors on that case...!

 

[gracielee]

They already know. MS testified today that he was involved with the BC case and had contact with AS because of her work in that case.

Me thinks Gracie's memory is quite good, in the long run. :floorlaugh:

 

[Madeleine74]

Frankly, there are sleazebags in every profession. Corporate America anyone? I'm 100% certain I've worked with sociopaths and psychopaths throughout my career, in various companies. A couple of them including COO and CEOs. You'll find honest and dishonest people, sane and whoop-whoop-crazzeee in every walk of life and in every type of profession, IMHO.

 

[Mama-cita]

Does anyone know if people were allowed in the gallery while the jury was perusing the "evidence buffet?" If so, I seriously hope we had someone in the courtroom!!

 

[Wolfpack]

Does anyone know if people were allowed in the gallery while the jury was perusing the "evidence buffet?" If so, I seriously hope we had someone in the courtroom!!

You are allowed to be in the courtroom, but frankly, it's quite boring, and you can never read jurors very well, in my opinion!

 

[gorealtors]

I see where you're coming from, but I think the purpose of the stop was to figure out a plan for how to proceed when they arrived at Meredith's house. How to deal with the family, the police, etc.

If I were in that situation I probably wouldn't be able to eat, but I would definitely be freaking out and would want to take a breather before dealing with people. Especially people who could use my words against me in court.

They had over 5 hours of travel time from Brevard to Fuquay, for crying out loud. I think that's ample time to discuss the situation at hand. I see it as nothing but a "stall" tactic. An innocent man would be charging down the road at break-neck speed to see WTH had happened to his wife and check on his little girl, and face LE head on.

 

[gitana1]

IIRC, this issue came up in the David Westerfield trial. Remember little Danielle van Dam?? I can't recall specifically the situation, but at the same time he was defending his client, he was attempting to broker a deal to 'give up the body site' if the DP was taken off the table. As I'm typing this, again, IIRC, the attorney was attempting to lay blame on Westerfields son, when he *knew* he'd attempted to 'give up the site of Danielle's body' to broker the deal. So in effect, he knew his client was GUILTY, because he knew where her body was. Luckily one of the search teams did find the body before he was able to broker that deal.

Somewhat sleazy, but it doesn't mean his client confessed to him. He saw the evidence and that's how he "knew". He could broker a deal while still trying to point fingers elsewhere, without having his client tell him the truth. He would broker a deal and then submit it to his client: "The state is offering x if you lead them to the body of Danielle. I won't lie to you, this is an intense case and your chances of acquittal are slim. So I want you to think about the offer and then let me know."

But if westerfield then asked for different terms in exchange for the body, then that would be akin to a confession, in my mind. I'll have to ask my law partner how he'd deal with that.

 

[dmaxphil]

You do realize that there's a reason that LE says oh **** when they see their crime scene is being rained on right? And why LE covers a crime scene with a tent during wet elements?

Rain and water can and does destroy DNA. It dilutes DNA.

Otherwise Hurricane Faye wouldn't have helped Casey Anthony walk on murder charges.

If you go back to the first 2-3 pages of this thread you will see we were talking about blood not DNA specifically. Blood is not very soluble in water and tends to form solids. It requires addition of detergents to accomplish true water solubility.

DNA/RNA is very highly soluble in water.

 

[Wolfpack]

Somewhat sleazy, but it doesn't mean his client confessed to him. He saw the evidence and that's how he "knew". He could broker a deal while still trying to point fingers elsewhere, without having his client tell him the truth. He would broker a deal and then submit it to his client: "The state is offering x if you lead them to the body of Danielle. I won't lie to you, this is an intense case and your chances of acquittal are slim. So I want you to think about the offer and then let me know."

But if westerfield then asked for different terms in exchange for the body, then that would be akin to a confession, in my mind. I'll have to ask my law partner how he'd deal with that.

I think you're right, that's exactly how the conversation would likely go.

"Hypothetically, if you knew where the body was, you could get this deal." "Well, hypothetically, would they agree to x instead?"

 

[octobermoon]

She may not agree with his testimony. I think she certainly would not agree with his weak attempt at implying guilt by association, i.e., Cooper is guilty therefore Young is guilty.

JMO

Maybe I misunderstood. I was replying to the jury not/or never learning of AS's involvement in the Cooper case. That was all.

 

[Mama-cita]

You are allowed to be in the courtroom, but frankly, it's quite boring, and you can never read jurors very well, in my opinion!

I would just be interested to know whether they "migrated" to certain pieces of evidence. Just curiosity, is all.

 

[dgfred]

If you go back to the first 2-3 pages of this thread you will see we were talking about blood not DNA specifically. Blood is not very soluble in water and tends to form solids. It requires addition of detergents to accomplish true water solubility.

DNA/RNA is very highly soluble in water.

How about fertilizer and weed killers?

 

[otto]

Somewhat sleazy, but it doesn't mean his client confessed to him. He saw the evidence and that's how he "knew". He could broker a deal while still trying to point fingers elsewhere, without having his client tell him the truth. He would broker a deal and then submit it to his client: "The state is offering x if you lead them to the body of Danielle. I won't lie to you, this is an intense case and your chances of acquittal are slim. So I want you to think about the offer and then let me know."

But if westerfield then asked for different terms in exchange for the body, then that would be akin to a confession, in my mind. I'll have to ask my law partner how he'd deal with that.

Didn't they leave Brevard around 4 PM and arrive some time around 9? It seems that two things had to be done: find a lawyer, eat. I think people need to be more careful to look after themselves after suffering a loss ... so the family would have decided that it was important to eat before going to the crime scene. After a five hour delay, what's another hour?

 

[Cammy]

I think you're right, that's exactly how the conversation would likely go.

"Hypothetically, if you knew where the body was, you could get this deal." "Well, hypothetically, would they agree to x instead?"

I guess the window of a plea deal for Jason has closed.

I often thought he should do that, take 12 years or so, with time served.

Is it called an Alford Plea, right?

 

[gitana1]

I think you're right, that's exactly how the conversation would likely go.

"Hypothetically, if you knew where the body was, you could get this deal." "Well, hypothetically, would they agree to x instead?"

Right. I for one could never represent such a person. If I thought the person killed a child, for example, or their spouse, no way could I represent them. Criminal defense all around is just not for me, but I understand what the attorneys go through, why they do it and I don't hate most of them.

 

[Boodles]

On another board someone was bringing up the trip back to Raleigh from Brevard the day of (after) the murder. They couldn't believe they stopped at Applebee's. That had never really sunk into me! Seriously! OMG! "Jason Young your wife has just been murdered in your home and your toddler daughter was with her dead body for hours, what are YOU going to do?" "I'ma head to Applebee's for one of them $14.99 3 course combos! Ding-dang, y'all!" Seriously shaking my head...

Wow, I was thinking about that last night during my 3AM insomnia bout.

Is it really true that before they went to Meredith's house upon returning to Raleigh, that they ATE AT APPLEBEE'S??? An Applebee's in Raleigh? BEFORE he saw Cassidy?

One other Q I was thinking about (ok there were hundreds...): What was the chronology of the 11/3 Brevard to Raleigh period phone calls? When did Jason speak to the police compared to when he spoke to Ryan Schaad, the "friend" who told him to get a lawyer? Did he take Schaad's call BEFORE speaking to LE?

 

[gitana1]

I guess the window of a plea deal for Jason has closed.

I often thought he should do that, take 12 years or so, with time served.

Is it called an Alford Plea, right?

Is he in custody? If so, for how long has been there?

 

[Mama-cita]

Didn't they leave Brevard around 4 PM and arrive some time around 9? It seems that two things had to be done: find a lawyer, eat. I think people need to be more careful to look after themselves after suffering a loss ... so the family would have decided that it was important to eat before going to the crime scene. After a five hour delay, what's another hour?

If I was away on business and found out my spouse had been brutally murdered and my young children were left in the house for several hours with his dead, battered body, I think FOOD would be the very LAST thing I would even think of. It wouldn't even be in the same area code of what I'd be thinking of. My primary concern would be to 1) get to my children ASAP, and 2) find out wth happened!!!! Maybe I'm a weirdo though...

 

[KathrynL]

You are right.
Deaver was involved at some point, the Pros just cleverly went around him by calling another witness to testify instead.

This is one of the things the defense should address along with the TOD not being more precise.

IMO

In real life, TOD is hard to pin down (unlike in books and on TV). I believe real-life ME's make their best estimate based upon both the body and information such as when the person was last known to be alive.

moo

 

[nursebeeme]

There was no meal at Applebee's.......unless they started serving in the parking lot.

:floorlaugh:

but Cammy.. they actually do have curbside pickup:rocker: